[Icarus]

(03-10-2014 09:07 AM)djwaters420 Wrote:  

It's because the liberal Western media has successfully tricked everyone into viewing all peoples from Europe as "white" instead of viewing them as distinct ethnicities.

Not quite. There is no "liberal Western media".

The U.S. media has tricked Americans into viewing everyone from Europe as "white", while Europeans have always hated each other passionately. I have never met an European who said "I am a white", and I have lived in Europe for many years.

This is why "white nationalists" are retarded. They believe they belong to a race and call each other "brother", when in Europe most countries view themselves as separate tribes with their own identities and languages and histories. I am not a white nationalist, but I am a Polish nationalist, a German nationalist, a Swedish nationalist, a Czech nationalist, etc. I would like each country to preserve its identity and genetics.

Poland did not exist for over 120 years. The country was split into three portions, and Austria, Prussia, and Russia all took a slice. Then, they were killed by the millions in WWII, and had their capital burned to the ground. They had to rebuild everything. Is anyone surprised they want to preserve their identity?

If you lived in a place where you don't have to be very good looking or very rich to have a pretty wife, would you be happy to see your country invaded by competitors who make life harder for you?

I will never forget when I visited a little town not far from Lublin. There were people selling linen, and I thought of buying some. The woman selling it was a gorgeous blonde. Her husband was a short ugly fellow wearing camouflage pants and no shirt, drinking beer and making his beer belly even bigger. Still, the man had the happiest look on his face. In theory, he had very little in financial terms. Yet, he had a very hot wife who was working in the sun while he drank beer in the shade. He looked much, much happier than most investment bankers with trophy wives I have met in London or NYC.

[rudebwoy]

^ Well said my man.

As I mentioned before I don't blame them for trying to preserve their stock.

The reason why I love EE/Central European women is because they are feminine and they know what it is like to be a woman.

Years ago I use to visit a stripclub for lunch, the place had amazing food. The cook was a small Chinese man, the lady serving the food was a mature blonde polish woman who was quite attractive. Turns out it was his wife!

[DonJuanBrown]

(03-10-2014 09:18 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(03-10-2014 09:07 AM)djwaters420 Wrote:  

It's because the liberal Western media has successfully tricked everyone into viewing all peoples from Europe as "white" instead of viewing them as distinct ethnicities.

Not quite. There is no "liberal Western media".

The U.S. media has tricked Americans into viewing everyone from Europe as "white", while Europeans have always hated each other passionately. I have never met an European who said "I am a white", and I have lived in Europe for many years.

This is why "white nationalists" are retarded. They believe they belong to a race and call each other "brother", when in Europe most countries view themselves as separate tribes with their own identities and languages and histories. I am not a white nationalist, but I am a Polish nationalist, a German nationalist, a Swedish nationalist, a Czech nationalist, etc. I would like each country to preserve its identity and genetics.

Poland did not exist for over 120 years. The country was split into three portions, and Austria, Prussia, and Russia all took a slice. Then, they were killed by the millions in WWII, and had their capital burned to the ground. They had to rebuild everything. Is anyone surprised they want to preserve their identity?

If you lived in a place where you don't have to be very good looking or very rich to have a pretty wife, would you be happy to see your country invaded by competitors who make life harder for you?

I will never forget when I visited a little town not far from Lublin. There were people selling linen, and I thought of buying some. The woman selling it was a gorgeous blonde. Her husband was a short ugly fellow wearing camouflage pants and no shirt, drinking beer and making his beer belly even bigger. Still, the man had the happiest look on his face. In theory, he had very little. Yet, he had a hot wife, who was working in the sun while he drank beer in the shade. He looked much, much happier than most investment bankers with trophy wives I have met in London or NYC.

Well said, but colored peoples across the world have the same perception that all white people fall under the same category, which is why they expect the same treatment in Poland as they do in the UK.

[Gopnik]

I understand they probably have their reasons. Before I came here I also didn't knew there would be so many foreigners, I saw Poland as a very exotic and unknown country. I also wanted to point out that my two Portuguese friends who have been assaulted several times very rarely if ever hit on Polish girls. I think it has been more of a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I also think that some of the "thugs" out there like to pick on foreign guys to show off their manliness or whatever and impress some trashy Polish chicks.

[Teedub]

^ Are your Portuguese friends ethnic Europeans or are they from former colonies in Mozambique etc? I'm just a bit bemused as I doubt Polish nationalists would beat up a Cristiano Ronaldo type for not being white enough or whatever their criteria is.

[Gopnik]

^ They are ethnic europeans but from what I know, Portuguese guys look darker than other people in europe.

[Booyah]

That's the point #Icarus.

The truth is that polish guys don't need to go around the Europe to look for beautiful girls.

I fucking love Poland for this magnificient girls, for not being Norway that I need to spend a 1/4 my salary to get drunk like it could happen in Oslo and now when economy of Poland is still becoming more powerful it's quite easy to find an interesting job if you're well educated etc.

Thinking about moving there again because this single accidents will not stop me from living there, besides in western Europe I was quite many times given offensed about being some poor portugal stealing proud English or Scandinavian people a job XD (while still i got more respect for English because they atleast told me that in face to face conversation while Swedish are duplicitous cunts)

[bojangles]

(03-10-2014 09:47 AM)djwaters420 Wrote:  

Well said, but colored peoples across the world have the same perception that all white people fall under the same category, which is why they expect the same treatment in Poland as they do in the UK.

Ermm nope..you're doing the same thing as the 'liberal media'

[Icarus]

(03-10-2014 10:02 AM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

Before I came here I also didn't knew there would be so many foreigners, I saw Poland as a very exotic and unknown country.

What you're experiencing is nothing new. When I first went to Poland in 2007, I did hang out with a few Portuguese and Italian guys who were doing ERASMUS there (and doing lots of Polish chicks), and they told me they had been attacked a couple of times already. Nothing too serious: a bleeding nose and a short trip to the hospital.

Learning the Polish language and being respectful opens a lot of doors, as Greek Kamaki as mentioned before. But it's important to be respectful from a position of strength. You want to elevate the other guy's status without lowering yours. If you lower yours, he will want to step on you, figuratively and literally.

[Booyah]

Also I've noticed one think, Asians and Black guys have no problem at all, why? because they're being friendly to everyone.

When guys from southern Europe come to Poland they act like they were pro, they like to be really loudy, they tend to make some rude comments in loudness etc.

Majority of the polish lads are hitting the gym or do some mma/box/bjj trainings, it's quite popular here while southern has mostly only big mouth and when it comes to something, they end up with bleeding nose.

I know how it's because I know southern nature

[berserk]

(03-10-2014 09:07 AM)djwaters420 Wrote:  

Multiculturalism more or less implies that White people, collectively, need to atone for their sins, despite the fact only a handful of countries (e.g. Great Britain, France) are responsible for the phenomenon of the third world country.

Anyone who in real life dares to claim that I have any kind of responsibility for things that happened before my lifetime is going to get nothing but laughs from me.

I don't think you actually meant it like that did you?

[SpecialEd]

If you get beaten up in Poland, it most likely has nothing to do with race. Poles like to fight, its a national past time. Im 6,2, blonde with a muscular build and I got hostile looks from the local dudes the minute I stepped off the train. My 2nd night in Wroclaw I took a pretty good beating in a bar brawl. Its a place to keep your wits about you and id recommend learning a little muay thai or something in your free time.

[Icarus]

(03-10-2014 12:23 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

Poles like to fight, its a national past time.

Indeed, it is. And they like beating other Poles, too.

Here are some soccer hooligans from Warsaw and Katowice beating each other:

Last time I was in Warsaw, my Polish fuckbuddy took me to Praga for a walk, and while there some 100-150 Legia Warszawa "ultras" walked by, and it was scary indeed. I kept quiet, tried to act non-chalantly, because if those guys noticed me, a foreigner, "stealing" a hot woman from them, I could be in serious trouble.

[samsamsam]

^^ Damn.

[Sourcecode]

This thread interest me...as ill be visiting Poland in the next couple months

[Roosh]

I've been in Poland for over 15 months and I've only gotten into one minor altercation. Am I doing something wrong?

[SpecialEd]

From what I can tell, Poles tend to target guys whom they deem weak OR they feel threatened buy. If you fall somewhere in the middle, you might escape under the radar. But 15 months in Poland with no battle wounds...id say you're doing something right.

[elabayarde]

You know, I am 6'2" 230 and dark. I stuck out like a sore thumb. But noone ever even thought to bother me. Even in bars. But I also am extremely friendly and always ended up hanging with locals. THis was in Krakow and warsaw.

[Sourcecode]

^^ Elabayarde is on the money.
I'm smaller than he is. But I've got a lively personality. Ive walked shady areas of Czech Rep. and Hungary and didn't have any trouble at all. Same with being around East Germans.
I actually made more friends and contacts than some of my fairer skinned friends

(03-10-2014 10:44 AM)Booyah Wrote:  

Also I've noticed one think, Asians and Black guys have no problem at all, why? because they're being friendly to everyone.

When guys from southern Europe come to Poland they act like they were pro, they like to be really loudy, they tend to make some rude comments in loudness etc.

Booyah makes a point thats extremely underestimated.
To many people go into different cultures and act like they run the place...Come off like a dick and get jacked up.
Ive got a friend in the Marines that would get into political arguments in bars just about everywhere we went and piss people off with her stereotypical oohrah talk. Luckily he never got his ass handed to him. But he's overpaid for his meals and drinks more than a few times.

No one is saying walk around being "beta" when you travel or to bein completely oblivious.
But walking around like you own the place..or assuming that something bad is gonna happen to you makes you stand out.
itll only be a matter of time before a local picks up on it and decides to check you

[elabayarde]

I just though about something. I was outside of a club looking for an BANKOMAT/ATM and started talking to a group of girls and guys from spain. THey were ranting about how racist polish people were. THey were telling me to come in to the club with them, and they would pay my cover. I was with a polish dude and he looked at them like they were retarded. He also told me to not go anywhere with them. But interestingly enought our whole conversation was in spanish and the polish guy had no idea what we were talking about. But he didnt seem to like them much or wanna hang around them. I cant say what it wsa beside them being obviosly drunk.

[DonJuanBrown]

(03-10-2014 12:02 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(03-10-2014 09:07 AM)djwaters420 Wrote:  

Multiculturalism more or less implies that White people, collectively, need to atone for their sins, despite the fact only a handful of countries (e.g. Great Britain, France) are responsible for the phenomenon of the third world country.

Anyone who in real life dares to claim that I have any kind of responsibility for things that happened before my lifetime is going to get nothing but laughs from me.

I don't think you actually meant it like that did you?

Nah.

[nomadicdude]

Re: "Multiculturalism more or less implies that White people, collectively, need to atone for their sins, despite the fact only a handful of countries (e.g. Great Britain, France) are responsible for the phenomenon of the third world country."

The fact is that basically every country on Earth is multicultural to a varying degree. It is not just western liberals trying to punish whites for their sins. You go to India and they bitch about Bangladeshis. In Burma they bitch about people who are basically Bangladeshi. And so on and so on. You would be hard pressed to find ANY nation on Earth that does not have at least 10% of the population that does not fit into the majority group whether it is Tibetans, etc in China, Chinese in Indonesia. So when conservatives complain about multiculturalism I just think it's odd cause migration is a fact of human existence. All civilizations rise and fall in part because it is impossible to sustain a civilization forever.

PS. Good thread. I want to go everywhere but seriously concerned about EE and Russia. Thinking I'll do a really quick trip: Russia for 2-3 days, then Poland, Hungry, Serbia for a week total tops. Then GTFO.

[Icarus]

(03-10-2014 08:49 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

So when conservatives complain about multiculturalism I just think it's odd cause migration is a fact of human existence.

Migrations are a fact of human existence. And so are xenophobia and pogroms.

Your examples are not very good. Indonesia is a former Dutch colony. China is a de facto land empire that annexed Tibet and has its diaspora all over the world. India is a subcontinent with over 50 languages.

What about Sweden prior to WW2? Or Norway? Or Finland? Forget about the Sami for a second. What about Iceland? Poland today is quite homogeneous, too. Actually, Mark Yuray wrote a post the other day on the most multicultural and least multicultural countries in Europe. Here's a map:



So, Poland is 99.8% European! The most European country in Europe.

(03-10-2014 08:49 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

All civilizations rise and fall in part because it is impossible to sustain a civilization forever.

Sure, but that is extreme defeatism. If we're all going to die, why not just commit collective suicide? Some of us believe that life is worth living and believe that preserving that which is good is one of the things that give meaning to life.

[_Samo_]

This is Legia Warsaw and the other is Arka Gdynia not Katowice. These fights are organised and happen all the time, they do have rules though.
About violence in Poland, I've been there many times and never had any problems at all with local guys, I've even been to many football matches there and I've enjoyed them. I am pale white though so I guess I blend in, I find it strange even white foriegners having problems there.

[berserk]

(03-10-2014 03:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I've been in Poland for over 15 months and I've only gotten into one minor altercation. Am I doing something wrong?

And you could pass for a spanish dude too. Maybe you're just not being obnoxious.

Truth be told, there could simply be other factors at play. Erasmus students are young and stupid. They are probably not experienced travelers and they are probably annoying and obnoxious. Early twenties is prime age for empty machismo.