[anonymous123]

Gents, I'm a fan of Giovonny and his great contributions...but, I don't think it is wise to take this statement seriously "I love dating girls like this!....I seriously would go to a BPD support group meeting just to pick up chicks!"

This is really missing the whole point of a personality disorder versus a chemical imbalance or any otherwise fucked up chick that is in treatment. BPD 101 will tell you that they NEVER admit to having a problem. They will convince you that you have BPD before ever admitting they have an issue. Therapists rarely ever take on a BPD case for fear of manipulation and what they might do to their practice and livelihood. They often APPEAR very normal. They are VERY dangerous. They often blend into society as normal. To be painfully clear, you aren't going to find a group of borderlines sitting in circle at the local YMCA doing some type of 12-step program. This goes for any of the major personality disorders (i.e. borderline, narcissistic, histrionic, and sociopath).

Let's choose the sociopath for group therapy (same family as BPD):
- Sociopath: Hi, I'm John and I'm a sociopath.
- Group: Hi John! Welcome to the sociopath support group.
- Sociopath: Thanks, I'm glad to be in a group of like minded peopled.
- Group: Welcome. So, what brings you here today John?
- Sociopath: Well, during the day I seem like a normal person. I love my wife and kids. I love my dog. I mostly enjoy my job, even though it gets a little boring. But, I've been building a bomb and I plan to stash it in a building someday soon. Nobody would guess that this is my hobby, but, we all have our pastimes right? Anyway, I thought I'd meet up with you guys to check in on how my project is coming along...

Yes, fucking the chick that is a bi-polar (NOT BPD) that is on a bunch of meds may be a rush. Fucking a chick with a multiple personality disorder can be a rush. Both can probably be done with minimal collateral damage.

I can attest that fucking a chick with BPD can be mind blowing. I have a number of badges and I'm probably not in the normal camp and have plenty of stories that would probably even make delicoustacos interested. (side note: thanks for sharing the delicsoustacos post in this thread...one of the best posts I've read). But, being emotionally aloof is not enough. You truly have to know when to get the fuck out of dodge. You have to have a sixth sense that some wicked shit is coming down the pike, and you can't out-craft, out-smart, or out-wit a borderline. Like a jack rabbit that smells a forest fire.

Concrete example: I'm pretty much convinced the Soviet was a BPD. She threw off a ton of red flags (big ones), but never did anything harmful to me. I almost convinced myself that I'd simply enjoy an amazing date and incredible sex once per week for the long haul. And then she hinted (followed by a revelation) that she is tied in with some very serious people (not friendly people). I wanted to just brush it off as "so what". Because I'm 99% sure she is BPD, I have to take my gut concern seriously that there is a risk that one day she says I harmed her in some way, and that it could have serious repercussions. I could keep going back, and may get away with it for a while. But, when you keep going back to see a borderline there will be a day that things go sour. And when they do, it is more like hitting a trip wire than simply realizing in your detached emotional state that you need to slip out the back door. You have to slip out the back door before you get ensnared in a web of bullshit that can put your life on a drastically different course.

[Ingocnito]

I have a supurb lesson learned by a close friend of mine re. BPD (or psychosis, take your pick). The basis of the lesson here is find out as much as you can about these psychos before you consider fucking with them. This made the local news.

During our mid 20's, my friend Carl snagged this 6.5 from a local bar, dragged her back to his lair and banged her ass silly. She clung, and the fucking ensured for about 4 weeks.

I met her, nutso and weird, yet according to him, crazy wild in bed so worth the insanity, or so he thought. He commenced to cutting her off and tried letting her off in a subtle way...

She didn't get what he was trying to imply, and just pretended he was still interested when to me and our other friends, she was obviously being given and told to leave him alone. Finally she flipped the fuck out on him.

Turns out, she worked in the courts/police department. She literally had 2-3 cops following him, pulling him over for no reason, harassing him, etc. Until 1 day he's eating a burger and enjoying a beer after work at large, busy, heavily patronized local sports bar, and out of blue some fucker breaks a pool stick in half over his face hitting him square on his nose. Obviously coulda killed him.

Carl's a tough SOB, said he was hit so hard he passed out and woke up all at once. Tried to run after the guy but he had his getaway ride waiting squealing out of the parking lot.

While the police harassment then stopped, he knew who was at fault. But who the fuck was he going to turn to when dirty cops were involved? He made reports that fell on def ears it seemed.

A few weeks after his face was rearranged, he started getting notices in the mail of credit problems, etc. It turns out, this bitch worked with a group involving 6 people, half being cops, the other administrators, who accessed the court's computers to begin destroying his credit, giving him also a past record, warrants, etc.

The whole thing blew up and the court's computers were subpoenaed for trial. They nailed this bitch and the other's involved (or most anyways), and threw them in jail.

Lesson learned: Get as much info about these BPD bitches before you fuck 'em. Many of them are babble-bots anyways. Obviously law-related women are dangerous to fuck with to begin with, but man this was one for the history books for our crew back in the day!

[Giovonny]

(04-22-2014 12:49 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

It's interesting that Giovonny talks about "non-attachment" in this thread.

Yes, I believe that "Non-Attachment " is a very important concept for modern man.

We must protect our emotions and our mental tranquility. We can not be effected by every piece of stimuli that enters our mind.

We must learn to ignore things that are not helpful to us.

(04-22-2014 12:49 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

The only people who can successfully date BPD's are guys with sociopathic traits. Psychopaths (same as sociopaths) don't experience emotions in the way most of us do and therefore can't be manipulated by these chicks.

I really love what you said. It's true.

I guess you could say that I do have "sociopathic" traits.. But, I don't describe it like that. I just say that I have learned to control my emotional investments.

I know that these chicks are crazy so I don't get emotionally involved with them.

(04-22-2014 12:49 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

I'm not saying that Giovonny is a psychopath. Far from it. Without wanting to get too deep here, I think that a lot of game is just learned sociopathy. Most psychopaths do very well with women. There is something to be said for having less feelings.

Again, what you are calling "Learned Sociopathy", I would describe as "Emotional Control". It's essentially the same thing.

I am not a psychopath but I have worked very hard to control my feelings. This is because of 2 things..

1) My parents dysfunctional. I grew up around anger, rage, sadness, hopelessness, insanity, etc. At a young age, I learned that I didn't want to experience those things. Even though I loved my parents, I had to learn how to emotionally disconnect from them. I was doing this as a child.

3) I played basketball in college. In order to perform under intense pressure, I had to learn to switch off my feelings and emotions, I only embraced the emotions that were uplifting to me. I couldn't get to high or too low emotionally. I had to be uneffected by the crowd, the pressure, etc. I could not allow any doubt or fear to enter my mind.

(04-22-2014 12:49 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

http://www.amazon.com/The-Wisdom-Psychop...0374533989

I've heard about this book and I want to read it.

Awesome post dreambig!

(04-22-2014 01:46 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

I'm a fan of Giovonny and his great contributions...but, I don't think it is wise to take this statement seriously "I love dating girls like this!....I seriously would go to a BPD support group meeting just to pick up chicks!"

Why is it not wise to take my statement serious?

I admit that the best sex of my life has often been with "crazy" chicks. "Crazy" chicks are great in bed! That is the truth! You admitted it yourself!

When I say I would go to a BPD support group to pick up chicks, I'm half joking but also half serious. I have experience in dealing with these chicks. If you DON"T have experience dealing with these chicks then I recommenced being extremely careful.

(04-22-2014 01:46 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

I can attest that fucking a chick with BPD can be mind blowing. I have a number of badges and I'm probably not in the normal camp and have plenty of stories that would probably even make delicoustacos interested.

So, you fuck these girls too! You know what I'm talking about! Why are you saying not to take my statement seriously when you do the same thing as me?

It's no different from dating a stripper. Most strippers area little "crazy" but plenty of guys want to date them. Why? Because of the sexual adventure!

Same with dating a porn star, sure they are crazy but they are a lot of fun.

We just have to be extremely careful and not get too emotionally involved.

I have been lucky that I have never had a major problem with one of these girls.

Again, be careful and if you don't have experience and strong emotional control, you should stay away!

[anonymous123]

@Giovonny - my statement is not intended as negative, I just think you are confusing general crazy chicks and bi-polar (chemical/mental disorder) with BPD/Sociopath (personality disorder). Let me try explaining this way (I don't want to come off as patronizing, just want to be painfully clear on this point): If you say I seriously would go to a BPD support group meeting just to pick up chicks!" it shows that you are still having a difficult time recognizing the distinction between bi-polar and BPD (and all the associated parallels).

Here is the reason: if a BPD will never admit they are a BPD, to the extent that they will try to convince a therapist that the therapist is actually the BPD (not them), how can there ever be a support group? It is like a vampire admitting they are a vampire. It doesn't happen. In theory it sounds fine and well that you could find such a group, but this is like saying that you want to go to a support group for Santa's elves. It doesn't exist. There simply aren't people running around admitting that they are a borderline or a sociopath seeking out the support of like minded people. (I tried to make this clear with a joke about what a sociopath support group would sound like...).

Exception: if you really dig in you will find something called Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), so it is true that some professionals think there is hope to retrain a BPD/sociopath (most think it is a lost cause). But, this is mostly intense one-on-one sessions, so no group to be found. And if you did find a group therapy session, you'd probably have to be diagnosed as BPD yourself to gain admission. And then once inside the fruit that you were looking for won't even be there, because all the patients that agreed to such therapy are probably all the poor souls that were convinced by a true BPD that they were the ones with the BPD! Reason: a real BPD would rather DIE than admit that they have a problem. A BPD is only capable of thinking: "It is YOUR fucking fault for [xxxxx] and YOU need therapy immediately! I can't believe YOU did this to ME!"

+++++++++
And, yes, I fuck these girls too! Guilty. But, I usually need a few red flags of similar variety before I'm convinced a bitch is a BPD. So, when I meet a crazy I do what you do and stay emotionally in check and have some of the most mind blowing sex you can imagine. Some of my stories most people wouldn't believe. And I have tons of them. But, I had a very expensive lesson on the other side of a BPD (seven figure lesson)...and have since learned the difference between that crazy rocker chick with a few tattoos and a fucking pharmacy under her sink (some kind of chemical/mental imbalance) vs. the chick with a master's in psychology that seems so well put together and is holding down a job as a social worker (that takes time for red flags to pop up). With the former you just know she is crazy, and if you get out in good time...very rare that anything will happen. With the latter, this bitch could end up spinning a web around you before you realize just how fucked up she really is.

And that my friend I hope sheds some light on the difference between a chemical imbalance and a personality disorder.

[samsamsam]

So I went looking for a chart that might show a distribution of all personality types against a population. I was trying to find what % are BPD, psychopaths, etc. Didn't find a chart. But found this.

http://bpdresourcecenter.org/factsStatistics.html

Quote:

Did you know that BPD affects….

Six to ten million Americans – or, about the population of New York City, twice that of both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
2% to 6% of the general population
At least 10% of all mental health outpatients
At least 20% of psychiatric inpatients

In addition…
75-90% of those diagnosed with BPD are women. This may reflect that women seek treatment more often, and that men with these or similar symptoms may be entering the penal system after receiving a diagnosis of Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Several treatment modalities (insert hyperlink) have been shown to be helpful in treating people with BPD. When proper treatment is received and implemented, patients with BPD may have a good prognosis. Treatment may include, but may not be limited to, Psychoeducation, medication, support groups, and psychotherapy.

10%, or one in ten, people with BPD commit suicide.
33% of youth who commit suicide have features, or traits, of BPD.

This number is 400 times higher than the general population, and young women with BPD have a suicide rate of 800 times higher than the general population. Early intervention and treatment is critical to obtaining a successful outcome.

[anonymous123]

@samsamsam - I've read a lot on the topic. IMHO, the only therapists that say they can help a BPD are truly just trying to find a way to make a profit or are trying to be PC.

Here is a link to some of the best (and well written/entertaining) materials on the topic of borderlines. http://gettinbetter.com/anycost.html
[Her view is that there is only one fix...RUN!!!]

Here is an excerpt of just one of the nuggets in that article:
Second, Borderlines can make tangible progress with solid therapeutic help, but you may have a better shot at flying to the moon strapped to a banana, than keeping them in treatment long enough, to accomplish any real growth or healing. Don't forget--they're terrified of attaching, and relying on anyone for their care. They'll act-out by devaluing the therapist, acting belligerent or picking fights, being non-compliant and/or seductive, missing appointments, rescheduling at the last minute, or lying in effort to control the therapeutic relationship. Week to week, the therapist hears them diminish you or glorify you, and this splitting reflex (of course) happens continuously.

[Giovonny]

(04-22-2014 01:16 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

@Giovonny - my statement is not intended as negative, I just think you are confusing general crazy chicks and bi-polar (chemical/mental disorder) with BPD/Sociopath (personality disorder).

anonymous123

Thanks for the insightful and classy post!

It got me thinking.. I have been lucky.. I do need to be careful with these crazy chicks..

I shouldn't be so cavalier about it all. Crazy people can be dangerous.

(04-22-2014 01:16 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

If you say I seriously would go to a BPD support group meeting just to pick up chicks!" it shows that you are still having a difficult time recognizing the distinction between bi-polar and BPD (and all the associated parallels).

To be honest, I dont attempt to make any distinction between these categories..

I just call them all "crazy bitches".

I don't know any of the science behind it.

(04-22-2014 01:16 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

There simply aren't people running around admitting that they are a borderline or a sociopath seeking out the support of like minded people.

To be honest, I have come across a few "borderlines" who actually admit that they have a problem. Sometimes they try to get help. I'm talking mostly about career criminals and career manipulators who know what they are doing is wrong -- But, they can't stop. It's all they kno.. It's like an addiction.

I agree that a sociopath support group is mostly a lost cause but I just wanted to make the point that I have met a few who wanted help.

(04-22-2014 01:16 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

And, yes, I fuck these girls too!

Well , than you know what I'm talking about!

Thanks for being the voice of reason on this thread.

When I said "go to a support group", I didn't mean actually spend time at the hospital, etc. I just meant that crazy chicks are great in bed and if I see a cute girl walking out of the "Mental Health Services" office at her university. I am definitely gonna approach her!

I will be extremely careful! Thanks for the reminder!

[simonafc]

Found this thread by accident but i figured its time i contribute my story.
I was a virgin and the first girl i ever had sex with.

It all happened 3 days after i turned 17, That night i went to the local HK Mall (Local asian mall)
i was just hanging out with my friends, until this girl walked in by herself. kind of crazy and my instinct
took over i just approached her in front of my friends and everything, (i didnt even have any concept of game)
me and her just sat down and conversated. (we talked about various things.)

Afterwards i just told her straight up that i'll walk her back to her car, so we took the Long way to her car.
As we were walking towards the car she stops me (Red flag) she ask me if i wanted to make out with her.
i said hell yeah and went for it, really intense make out session (red flag again, Controlling the sexual frame,
Good for me since im a virgin and its all happening.) so i walk her to her car, and she literally pulled me to the wall (another red flag again)and basically started sucking me, until i busted inside her mouth, Again, my first time.

So i made the first mistake of my life after this, i decided i would go to her house, not even knowing where she lived.
she took me 30 mins away all the way to the north side, which was all fine and dandy, but when we came to a intersection
we were talking and literally my first (redflag) of the night that i ignored completely. She literally just stopped the car and
basically just got pissed off. i didnt even know what to do so i just supplicated to her so she would chill the fuck out.

She took me to her house, she told me she was sharing it with another older guy? (red flag again) so we go to her room,
she literally puts a fucking porno on......and then i tried to sit down on this chair (red flag) she told me the last guy that sat
on it ran out the room. i didnt really know what to do, so i just backed off and sat on the couch. I asked this girl if i could
shower, and i went, well... her shower floors were fucked up. i just cleaned my ass off and literally jumped out quick.

she asked if i was hungry and started making food, good start? seems like it, she made me some food, after i finish,
she literally went down on my on the kitchen floor and we took it to the room. as we took it to the room, i literally inserted my dick into her for the first time in my life, (best sex? could be biased) as i was about to bust i nut, i pulled out, and she literally got mad at me (red flag) she wanted me to bust in her, i didnt really see any harm in this at the time as i was inexperianced, we fuck like mad all night.

End? not even near, we woke up and her going down on me, we fuck and she wanted to shower, and i wanted to fuck again.
(red flag) she literally threw a fit at me and just flipped out telling me that she needed to do a few things, and we fucked again after she calmed the fuck down.

so i got inside her car, she drove to the gas station to fill gas (red flag) we got into another argument and she literally dropped me off at the gas station and drove off.

Instinct tells me i should have never contacted her again after that, but my dumbass knew that the sex was too good, and couldnt let go. So lets put it this way. we had a rinse and repeat of said above situation with a few twist to it but nothing too far different. She told me Good Bye one day, i didnt take her serious, it was a 1 month relationship and she was literally the craziest girl i've been with.

I never forget her, or forget the story.
She was also 27 years old and i was 17.
I never saw her again, it's been 4-5 years, who knows, i might have a 4-5 year old kid.

it's a long post, read it if you want, but take it with a grain of salt.

[wandenreich]

OKC 25 y.o.

1. "Hated her mom when she was in highschool"
2. Loved her ex's but hate all of them now
3. Told me she cried when I cancelled our tentative date last week
4. On the verge of crying when I was leaving last night
5. Very emotional, childish and clingy
6. Been texting me everyday

Very submissive and loves biting / rough sex, doesn't hurt that she likes to please and give head

[DVY]

^^^Wandenreich- warning! cut this girl from rotation.

[anonymous123]

^ Wandenreich - this is Grade A Vampire BPD material. You have to go no contact immediately. (and I know the pussy is probably insane...but, self preservation first brotha!)

[Giovonny]

(05-01-2014 03:16 PM)wandenreich Wrote:  

1. "Hated her mom when she was in highschool"
2. Loved her ex's but hate all of them now
3. Told me she cried when I cancelled our tentative date last week
4. On the verge of crying when I was leaving last night
5. Very emotional, childish and clingy
6. Been texting me everyday

Very submissive and loves biting / rough sex, doesn't hurt that she likes to please and give head

Enjoy this girl!

This will be some amazing sex!

Just be careful!

******

I know most guys will disagree with me but I have to be honest..

Crazy girls are great in bed!

I don't know why guys are so afraid of them???

I think it's mostly paranoia.

*****

Just avoid making any emotional connection with her.

Make it strictly sexual!

Cum in her face not her pussy!

*****

Understand that she will do and say some crazy shit.. Ignore it.. Smile, nod, give her a glass of wine and fuck the shit out of her!

[wandenreich]

Thanks for the advice guys! I've actually thought about making her as my regular but not sure if it's still possible at this point. We hung out Monday night and banged Wednesday night. She asked me to hang on Saturday night again which I politely rejected then this morning I received this.





Not sure if it's true or not but at this point I might just have to cut her off since she's taking this way too seriously.

[anonymous123]

- Wandenreich, going no contact is the only way. Do yourself a favor and soak in the theme of this thread. There is a huge difference between a run of the mill crazy chick and BPD, and this chica has all of the signs of BPD. (go ahead and discount Giovanny's comments to zero on this thread...he still doesn't see the distinction between a personality disorder and a crazy bitch with a chemical imbalance...and he may have to learn the hard way). This bitch could put a permanent scar on your life, and she will do it at the exact moment that your gut tells you to stay away but you go back for more anyway.

- Personality Disorder (i.e., BPD, histrionic, sociopath) = RUN is only solution
- Basic crazy bitch (i.e. bipolar or multiple personality on meds) = bang on first night, maybe hit buffet for seconds...but definitely know that you can't live at Hometown Buffet for the long haul...the shit isn't good for you.

[void]

The story smells like bullshit. And everything else she texted you is GIANT red flag. The next time she writes a message like this to someone, it may be you who has allegedly raped her.

[wandenreich]

After reading through the posts I think I'll go No Contact for now and maybe ping her after a month + when I'm in long dry spell.

Gotta admit though, they are great asset when you're assembling a harem to boost your confidence and game others especially for someone who's starting out like myself. But I don't need any false rape accusation right now.

Not sure why but she was already taking birth control pill 3 weeks ago when I first bang her and was still on it when we bang last Wednesday. Urged me to go raw both times.

[Smooth Operator]

So far I've met 2 real psychos. One was a couple of years ago (psycho1) and the other a couple of weeks ago (psycho2). I only had sex with psycho1. Funny how many similarties both have:

- Both have divorced parents
- Both have parents that immigrated to my country
- Both have unusual piercings: psycho1 used to have a tongue piercing, psycho2 has a nipple piercing
- Psycho2 has a large tattoo, psycho1 was considering having one
- Both worked as bartenders in a club
- Both danced in clubs/festival in skimpy clothes to earn money
- Both were kind of broke, but both were nevertheless able to buy/receive expensive stuff such as iphone, louboutins, etc.
- Both had very feminine looks: nice nails, long hair, heels, etc.
- Both took care of their (outside) body by eating healthy and doing sports to remain slim
- Both didn't care about their inside body by smoking and doing drugs (psycho1)
- Both had an aggressive side: psycho1 smacked a girl's head on the concrete and ended up in court, psycho2 smacked her hand so hard against the wall because she was angry so her nails broke off
- Both were instantly in love with me, which died off heavily with psycho1 after a couple of months, and after one week with psycho2
- Both have no school diploma and no real job

On top of that,
- Psycho1 confessed that her latest ex beat her from time to time when she was with him
- Psycho2 told me after 2 hours that I met her that she's on anti-depressiva pills since a couple of months
- Psycho2 started kissing me, normally I always initiate quite fast, now she was faster

[Giovonny]

(05-05-2014 03:14 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

go ahead and discount Giovanny's comments to zero on this thread

I don't mind you saying this..

I know you are just trying to help guys stay away from trouble.

I agree with most everything you say.

However, I don't think we should live in fear of a false rape charge.

It seem crazy to me that guys would live in fear of being convicted of a crime that they didn't commit.

I know it happens -- but, I think the "false rape" fear in the manosphere is greatly over exaggerated.

Who has been falsely convicted of rape? Do we know anyone who has been falsely convicted?

I'm sure there are a few but I think the fear is mostly paranoia.

*****

I have dated a few strippers, the were all crazy?

Should I have avoided these strippers because I was worried about a false rape charge?

No. I encourage guys to bang strippers, even though they are crazy.

Just sayin..

*****

Here is my most recent crazy chick experience..

I met her at the public library, a week later we met at the same library for a presentation followed by lunch. A few days later we met for dinner at Whole Foods, after dinner we went to her place and ended up banging.

She had a lot of the "red flags" that you guys are describing.

I knew she was a little nuts but I didn't live in fear of a crime I didn't commit.

I treated her well and let her worship my cock like only a crazy girl can.

After a while, our relationship started to breakdown and one day her roommate called me to tell me that she was in the hospital for an "anxiety attack". I went to see her in the hospital and was very sweet to her even though I knew the relationship was over.

I ended the relationship gradually and as softly as possible.

I put this girl on a dog leash, pissed on her, made pornos with her, etc.

Honestly, I think I am comfortable dealing with crazy girls because I am crazier than them, seriously!

But, I will be even more careful with these girls in the future, thanks to this thread and the advice of anonymous123

*****

(05-05-2014 03:14 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

But, I had a very expensive lesson on the other side of a BPD (seven figure lesson).

7 figures?!?!?

WTF!!!

A million dollars!

What the fuck happened?

Please breakdown the story.

That is fucking scary! Seriously!

*****

I know I probably sound a little crazy in this thread but I just want to give a different perspective..

I would hate to see guys pass up on the best sex of their lives because they are scared of a crime that never happened!

If you don't commit rape, the chances of you being convicted of rape is like 0.00001% (In first world America -- In the slums and in other countries, things can be different)

Driving on the freeway is statistically more dangerous.

But, after I hear anoinymous123's story, I might rethink my position.

[DVY]

@Gio- MikeCF got a fake rape charge. 50k in lawyer fees and Private investigators. Lots of personal stress. It almost derailed his law career. The board could have revoked his ability to practice. I've known at least 4-5 IRL who have had this issue too (but not to this extent).

There are a lot of unreported cases, because they get dropped via settlement. Most settle up for what you can pay- between 10k (my broke friends) to 100k (wealthier ones). Its a blackmail bushiness that nobody likes to talk about.

The more you have, the more you can lose. In my personal situation, I would avoid it altogether.

[Gringuito]

(05-06-2014 10:12 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

However, I don't think we should live in fear of a false rape charge.

It seem crazy to me that guys would live in fear of being convicted of a crime that they didn't commit.

I know it happens -- but, I think the "false rape" fear in the manosphere is greatly over exaggerated.

Who has been falsely convicted of rape? Do we know anyone who has been falsely convicted?

I'm sure there are a few but I think the fear is mostly paranoia.

I'm very glad you haven't lived though a false claim. They do happen. I know from personal experience and from friends that it's happened to. I remember my HR VP coming into my office her first day and work and closing the door for our meeting. She said that this would be the last time I was in my office with a woman with the door closed. She was right to advise me of that. There is too much to be gained and almost nothing for a woman to lose to make a false claim.

I like to think about risk assessment as both the chance something will happen along with the damage it can do to me. The chance of an asteroid hitting the Earth is very very low, but we still catalog them because if they hit everyone dies.

One more point. Being convicted in a court and being convicted in the eyes of the public are two different things. You will most likely be assumed to be guilty by all of your friends, family, and coworkers long before you get a chance to prove your innocence in court.

[void]

I get the feeling, that open plan offices and cubicles (this shit originates from the US) are a result of cost reduction and preventing the false rape claim stuff destroying the work environment.

[DVY]

@Gringuito- holy shit bro that is a funny story. Along the same lines, my family built an open cubicle style dental office. The concern was of false groping charges. I don't stay in a room w/a female w/out an assistant or witness present. Its the culture we live in.

[anonymous123]

@Giovonny - you are correct, I am just trying to help others. I didn't realize that I was in the middle of a BPD shit storm until it was entirely too late. At some point I will post some details, but frankly I'm still too disgusted. In short, it cost me seven figures to drive home a divorce. Even though she hated my business, she deduced that she owned 50% of my stake in a business that I built from scratch. My lawyers could've gotten me off much cheaper, but I actually drove this deal myself and put a short fuse on it. As an aside, at some point I will post my views on making money (or data sheet), but for now let's just say that regardless of what people keep saying about living cheaply and stashing money away in the market at x% return to eventually get to a million...IMHO, shit ain't like that. If you want to get to seven figures, you need an "event", and your event needs to produce several times whatever you think it takes to actually be sitting on this kind of cash. These events are hard to come by, which is why this shit stings so bad. But, I digress. (again, someday I will post my views on business similar to the write up Gringuito provided a while back).

[anonymous123]

@Gio - one more for you. I'm reposting this from above, because it really is as concise as I can get on why everyone here should learn the distinction of a BPD and other crazies.

- Personality Disorder (i.e., BPD, histrionic, sociopath) = RUN is only solution
- Basic crazy bitch (i.e. bipolar or multiple personality on meds) = bang on first night, maybe hit buffet for seconds...but definitely know that you can't live at Hometown Buffet for the long haul...the shit isn't good for you.

You see, these BPD women cloak themselves really well. If you learn the signs to spot them, maybe not so much. But, they blend into society really well, and are often extremely attractive and highly educated. You need some arm candy for a Gala? You could hardly do better than a stunning, well put together, BPD woman. You wouldn't even know she was crazy. (maybe re-watch Fatal Attraction - the woman was a highly attractive successful woman at a PR firm).

Let's use two examples (both this year):
1. The Basic Crazy Bitch (bipolar/multiple) that in my opinion are actually the "crazy bitches" you keep referring to. These are the ones that are easier to spot. The example I gave earlier was that of the rocker chick I met earlier in the year. She was sexy as hell, but it didn't take me long to figure out she was crazy. She had tattoos, piercings, and was absolutely convinced that due to some bad timing Pink ended up being Pink, and her voice (which I agree does sound like Pink) is relegated to singing in shit hole dive bars (where I met her). When I was at her place later that night (and staying up until 4am), I asked her for some Advil. She took me to the bathroom and pulled out a huge basket of prescription meds and started offering me all sorts of shit. But, no Advil. And, no water to be found in the place (only beer). Referring to the recipe above, in my opinion, you can bang this one (and, maybe even repeat once or twice). When you are done, she will simply be off doing some other fucked up shit while you remove yourself from the picture.

2. The BPD Woman. I've met a few this year, but, let's use the school teacher. This woman was really sexy and had a MS in psychology. She was practicing as a social worker / counselor for a while, and had just recently made the switch to become a school teacher. Her credentials were very real, and she was extremely engaging to have conversations with. I absolutely loved going out to dinner with her and breaking down all sorts of topics. Sex with her was off the charts. In fact, she was so fucking hot in the sack that when I told my very close lesbian friend about it she was so intrigued that she got really curious and wanted to be a fly on the wall. (we couldn't help ourselves, so I went ahead and put a recorder in my jacket and got a killer audio file on my next visit...my lesbian loved it and I still have it...(I know, not supposed to do this, but fuck it)). But, I digress. Key point here: it took SEVERAL WEEKS for me to start seeing the red flags with this one. She was fucking great. But, when enough of the BPD red flags popped up (like, over 2 months) I hit the exit. And I hit it fast.

Girl #1 was easy to spot. Girl #2 was invisible. I guarantee you that Girl #2 is far more dangerous and with the right amount of time could spin a web that even the best of us can't get out of without some serious damage. Hell, I didn't even know that crazy could exist in an invisible state. The "highly functional / invisible BPD" woman is really good at hiding clues to their condition, but they do come out.

Keep in mind, they have a much larger tool box than just false rape accusations.

[Giovonny]

First of all, I want to admit that I am probably wrong in this thread. Do yourselves a favor and be very careful in dealing with crazy people. It's probably not worth it..

For some strange reason, I just felt the need to defend the sexual ability of crazy chicks..

But, again, I am probably crazier than most crazy chicks.

I videotape a lot of the sex I have with crazy chicks so I feel like I have proof that the sex was consensual..

(05-08-2014 12:53 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

@Giovonny - you are correct, I am just trying to help others.

Of course. And, I commend you for that!

I just wanted offer my opinion.. "crazy chicks" have given me the best sexual experiences of my life and I have never been accused of rape.

That has been my experience. Maybe, I have just been lucky??

We all try to bang strippers and porn stars, we know that they are often "crazy".

Should we avoid banging strippers and porn stars because they are often crazy???

That is really my whole point. I think it would be foolish for guys to avoid banging strippers and porn stars just because they are crazy!

*****

Just last month DVY posted that his friend hooked up with a porn star:

(04-06-2014 01:33 PM)DVY Wrote:  

My buddy pulled a white girl pornstar from the street

DVY,

Did you tell your friend to "run away" or did you tell him to bang the shit out of her?

You probably encouraged him to bang her.

I agree with that advice.

*****

I'm not saying to marry a crazy chick or even to get emotionally involved with one. I'm just saying that some of them are great to bang!

Marrying one is obviously a mistake..

(05-08-2014 01:26 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

it cost me seven figures to drive home a divorce.

Fuck! That is a real nightmare!

I'm sorry to hear that.

No wonder you feel so strongly about this..

That said, I want to ask you -- Would you still bang a stripper and/or porn star?

*****

(05-07-2014 11:56 AM)DVY Wrote:  

@Gio- MikeCF got a fake rape charge.

I would love to know the details of this..

On the Mcqueen Show, Mike admitted that he suffers from "blackout rage" and considers himself a "depraved person".

I think he is also into bondage and stuff like that.

I wonder if any of this played a part in the "false rape charge"?

If Mike was here, maybe he would set me straight with this stuff..

(05-07-2014 01:02 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

I'm very glad you haven't lived though a false claim. They do happen. I know from personal experience and from friends that it's happened to.

You know guys that have been falsely accused of rape?

In that case, I'm going to adjust my thinking on this..

You guys have convinced me!

(05-08-2014 01:26 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  

@Gio - one more for you.

(maybe re-watch Fatal Attraction - the woman was a highly attractive successful woman at a PR firm).

The "highly functional / invisible BPD" woman is really good at hiding clues to their condition, but they do come out.

It sounds like you are describing borderline psychopaths/sociopaths..

Often times, they are impossible to spot except to a trained expert.

Scary stuff.

Thanks for explaining the difference between "crazy chicks" and the real "BPD" wackos.

I am actually going to study your posts again and familiarize myself with the differences between the two.

You have convinced me to be more careful.

*****

I want to share two more stories about crazy chicks..

I have met 2 girls who wanted me to kill them! Yes, you read that correctly!

They were basically depressed and suicidal but they didn't want to do it themselves, they wanted someone else to kill them.

I know it sounds crazy but think about it, a lot of girls are depressed, bi-polar, etc., many of these girls are suicidal, but, very few of them actually have the "guts" to really kill themselves.

What they do is they put themselves into dangerous situations with the hopes that they will be killed. Its basically suicide by murder. It happens.

One girl sort of admitted this to me and the other one actually admitted it too, I think.

I didn't kill either one but the sex was mind blowing!

There are some crazy people out there!

******

Once, a girl at work accused me of sexual harassment. It was a lie because she didn't like me.

HR called me in for a meeting and I threatened to get a lawyer and sue the girls and the company.

They got scared and nothing ever happened. I wasn't worried because I was never alone with the girl and I had a lot of witnesses who would support me.

The company knew this and that's why they didn't pursue it.

*****

I'm going to listen to the advice of you guys and be a lot more careful with crazy chicks!

Thanks!

Now, lets go date some strippers! Just kidding! Kind of!