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Tbilisi Data Sheet
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Tbilisi was the second stop in my 7 month tour. I arrived via the overnight (17 hr) train from Baku. I opted for a first class carriage which was 51 Manat (about 75 USD). It was a shared compartment with a T.V. and attendants who served coffee/tea. No restaurant on board, so bring food with you. Also, border formalities are at around 9:00-9:30am on the Azeri side (an hour later on the Georgian side). My host on Airbnb had registered me in Azerbaijan, I subsequently received an email that said I had been registered (from a random mail.ru email account), so I was slightly nervous about getting hassled trying to get out of the country, but I had no issues, I was called into the stewardess compartment and was photographed and my passport scanned by some computer system they had, passport stamped and was sent on my way. My bags were given a brief search by border guards on both sides.

Overview: Despite the city not looking as “nice” as Baku, I hold a much better opinion about Tbilisi than Baku, for example: much cheaper, less pretension, and overall more user friendly. Again this was a Jan-Feb trip, so again take that with a grain of salt when it comes to venue info. I never got sick from eating street kebabs, though did get violently ill eating, what I presume to be under cooked eggs in a restaurant, don’t know what it was called but a bread bowl with vegetables and eggs, it was very good, but I paid for it dearly later on that night. I used a GeoCell SIM, SIM plus talk, text and internet was 25 lari, which lasted me the entire three weeks no issues. English speaking staff was very helpful, even though my very friendly host insisted on going with me to help me out. My accommodations where clean and modern, it only had a small wall heater and a space heater, so there were a couple of cool nights when the temperatures dipped down, but all in all it was a good space and for $28 USD/night for my own place it was fine. If you are here during spring or autumn (my recommendation, when it is not too cold or everyone is at Batumi during the summer) this type of place should be fine. I found them through airbnb, but was able to contact them off the site to avoid fees. If you need their contact info, PM me and I will give you their email. Smoking is allowed pretty much everywhere. Another note, is that some smaller places will be short on change, so having exact change or close to it is preferable.

Transportation:
- Taxis: shouldn’t pay more than 5-10 lari for a trip within the city. Anywhere outside the city, such as the airport will probably 15-20 lari. There are no metered taxis so negotiate ahead of time and in case they don’t speak English use your phone’s calculator or
- Metro: much more user friendly: English signs and announcements, plus it actually takes you places you need to go.
- Buses/minibuses: never bothered with them, but less English, so it’s hard to point out exactly where they are going.
- Trains to Baku are daily, trains to Yerevan are only on ODD days.

Safety: Less police presence than Baku, but still significant, never was hassled. I observed one minor street scuffle, but that was it and never felt threatened or unsafe. Though there was one pedestrian underpass in front of them Radisson Blue that is a bit dodgy.

Fitness: I found a decent gym Aspria Fitness (http://www.aspria.ge/filialebi.php) for a reasonable price. It has three locations and the one near the soccer stadium (Dynamo Arena) is probably the easiest to get to, although it didn’t find this out until the end of my stay and used the Saburtalo branch. Prices are: 1 Day = 15 Lari, 1 Month = 99 Lari (+10 Lari for card), 1 year = 699 Lari (+10 Lari for card).

Girls: Girls were much more liberal and I imagine this trend will continue as the current crop of 18-25yr olds still have conservative parents, but as this generation has kids, I can only imagine that their children will be even more liberal. Overall they have much lighter skin than Azeri girls and are more concentrated towards the center of the beauty distribution (fewer head turners, but also fewer trolls). Most girls still live with their parents/family until they get married. More casual and less well-dressed than in Baku.

Competition: In my limited observation, weak. A lot of Georgian guys struck me as beta nice guys, bordering on extreme thirst, I was told that most people meet through social circle, though meeting through nightlife is become more popular. There are a lot of foreigners living in the city so you aren’t going to be very “exotic” and I saw a few groups around, but they were never a factor.

Shopping: There is a large, modern supermarket called Smart (or Smarti), which is open 24/7, next to the Wendys (yes there is a Wendys in Tbilisi and I’d be a liar if I denied partaking in a guilty pleasure once or twice) That has pretty much everything you can think of, bonus try to spit game at the girls trying to sell in the wine/alcohol department. Also, if you buy fruits and vegetables, you need to find a worker to weigh and give you a price code for your food, they won’t do it at the checkout counter. Aside from that there are numerous shops and markets near old city and on random streets.

Cafes: Numerous cafes in the city, but I usually went to: Prospero’s Books and Calibaris Coffeehouse, ex-pat friendly, western-style coffeehouse conducive to lounging, writing or reading, with a large selection of coffee, teas and sandwiches.

Restaurants: Khinkhali is the local specialty and is served in numerous restaurants in the city. I found Georgian food to be very tasty and will mention some of the other spots as I neglected to write down every restaurant I went to. Expect to pay a premium for sushi/fish.
- Buddha Bar: Thai/Japanese/Sushi spot, a splurge and definitely the most expensive meal I had. Has a bar on the lower level with occasional special events, but was completely dead the one Friday night I went.
- Organique Josper: Georgian/Ukrainian steakhouse/restaurant. Good food at moderate, yet reasonable prices.
- Wok café: noodle spot, good for a cheap, quick bite to eat.
- Ronny’s: reasonable facsimile of American style pizza.
- Tartine Brassiere: French restaurant with a satisfying inclusive soup/sandwich/drink lunch. Traditional French menu (fois gras, etc) for dinner.
- Q Lounge: average international menu, 40 lari table minimum on Friday/Saturday.

Nightlife: Decent on Friday/Saturday, might have trouble finding something good the rest of the week. No issues for entry at any place I went. Limes were also somewhat rare (as was the case in Baku). Concentrated around Rustavelli metro and old city. There are also several casinos, but never stepped to any of them and there are a lot of strip clubs, but avoided those as well. ONS are possible, but are the exception not the rule.
- Night Office: Younger crowd, picked up my Georgian flag from this club. 10 lair entrance, had a program for Thursday-Sunday night, but only went once on a Saturday.
- Medusa: Thursday-Saturday they open up the other half of the lounge at 10pm. Well-dressed girls, hookah spot, never was slammed, but a couple groups of girls, who mostly all smoke so asking for a light is a good strategy here. Picked up an Iranian girl, who was visiting her obese cousin that worked in the city, from here.
- Café Gallery: pretty tame during the week, but packed on weekends and they open the upper level as well. Also, the best late night spot (keeps going until after 4am, whereas most spots wind down around 3am). Downside is known as the gay spot, but was never an issue.
- Senate Club: the outlier as far as clubs go and you will need to take a bus/taxi to get to/from there. It was heavily hyped to me, but was a complete airball the night I went, probably better to try it out on a night they have a program going. There are two restaurants next to it, one of which is open 24/7.
- Urban: Nice spot, well-dressed girls. Focused heavily around tables with a small dance floor/bar. Will require infiltrating one of the groups to meet girls.
- Step: Small, circular bar, decent late-night spot on Thursdays.
- Unique: Okay spot, two levels, probably best in the summer when they open the top floor on warm days. Note, in the same building that has Unique there is a Karaoke bar (2nd floor) and another bar/restaurant (ground level). The bar/restaurant on ground level was more packed than Unique the night I went and also had live music.
- Fido Irish pub: Decent the two times I stopped by. Expat heavy.
- Canudos Ethnic Bar: Hyped to me, but pretty tame the one Saturday I stopped by there (after two weeks of looking for it).
- Skyy Bar/City Club: Co-located, Skyy Bar is a rooftop bar, city club is in the basement, I wanted to check these places out but they both had a 30 lair minimum and wasn’t interested in staying that long, so I bounced.
- Bed Lounge: rolled here with a group, but it was dead/closing at 3am, maybe good earlier.

Other places that were mentioned to me or I saw, but never went: Moscow Club and Bank Club.
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Was there in November. One thing that's missing here is the SAMKINITO restaurant that's in the very heart of the city. It has to be in the TOP5 all time restaurants on my list. Street shashliks are also perhaps the best in the world.

Few questions.
Didn't you try the Sulfur baths?
Did you visit any other Georgian cities?
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Quote: (03-08-2014 05:35 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

Was there in November. One thing that's missing here is the SAMKINITO restaurant that's in the very heart of the city. It has to be in the TOP5 all time restaurants on my list. Street shashliks are also perhaps the best in the world.

Few questions.
Didn't you try the Sulfur baths?
Did you visit any other Georgian cities?

I don't remember seeing that one, where exactly was it located?

I did not step to a sulfur bath, didn't really appeal to me for whatever reason.

Also, I'm not a big monastery person so I didn't visit any of those sites. Just did museums/galleries around the city. That and it was really cold, so that killed a lot of motivation to go anywhere.

I forgot to mention ChaCha, my host gave me a bottle, quite interesting and something that is not really sold in stores, though pretty much everyone has a "chacha" source or supplier.
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What were the predominate languages you heard?
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Quote: (03-08-2014 08:40 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

What were the predominate languages you heard?

Georgian, then English and Russian. Though, in my opinion, Russian will be more and more phased out as the years go by. In one restaurant, I over heard a group of Russians or Russian speakers (amongst themselves) speaking English to the wait staff (this was in Buddha Bar), so Russian will be a useful backup mostly to older people, but most will know some English, especially under 25. Also, I wouldn't put too much effort into learning Georgian. Its even more terrible to look at than Russian and most Georgians don't expect foreigners to know it. At one point I told the Georgian that I swooped that I felt bad that I didn't know any Georgian, she was confused and asked why I thought this way, because in her opinion everyone should learn English, but then again she was extremely Americanized without ever having been there, so her opinion may be somewhat slanted.
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I happened to be there with a Russian chick and to be honest we experienced some "anti-Russian" mentality on several occasions. Mostly in restaurants when we started to talk Russian with the waitresses. At one museum they refused to let us in and told us that they were closed even if it was 100% open.

Another thing in Tbilisi that was suprisingly really cool was the puppet theatre in the old city.
I had zero expectations but it was awesome. Can recommend it to everybody.
Did you go to Abkhazia aswell?

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Quote: (03-08-2014 02:08 PM)Chaos Wrote:  

Did you go to Abkhazia aswell?

No, but I will be going there this summer.
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It's a quite interesting place to be. Maybe I'll bust out datasheet/trip report about Abkhazia at some point.
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Pacesetter20, thanks for the data sheet.

I'm in Tbilisi right now and can confirm it's a great city with friendly people.
Most younger women seem to have someone watching over them, or so they say.
Any advice how to get the Georgian flag in 3 weeks while I'm here? I haven't done night game before and will be staying at hostels.
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Quote: (04-02-2014 12:34 PM)Sylvester Wrote:  

Pacesetter20, thanks for the data sheet.

I'm in Tbilisi right now and can confirm it's a great city with friendly people.
Most younger women seem to have someone watching over them, or so they say.
Any advice how to get the Georgian flag in 3 weeks while I'm here? I haven't done night game before and will be staying at hostels.
Should be doable, but might be tough if don't have night game experience, but it isn't as necessary as in the U.S.

First step, check out of the hostel. Not many girls will have their own place and trying to sneak them in is going to be a pain. PM me if you (or anyone else) wants the contact info for a pretty cheap apartment in between old city and Freedom Square, it will run about 50 GEL or 28 USD.

Second, Sun-Wed there isn't going to be much going on at night except maybe the random group or what not a Café Gallery or at any of the other bars, use these days for dates or day game.

Game: "Excuse me, do you speak English?" "Excuse me, do you have a light?" "Excuse me is this a good bar/club?" and wait until one bites. They aren't going to immediately throw themselves on you and will still need some game (read: not being a thirsty Georgian guy telling them how beautiful or how much you love them). Play somewhat aloof, drop travel/other interesting stories. ONS are possible but rare, you will probably have to set up a second (or third) date depending on the girl and if she is with friends (almost all will).

Venues: Read above, but here's a general guide from my short time there.

Thursday: Medusa (early), Night Office, Step (late)
Friday/Sat: Senate (if they have a program), Unique, Urban, Night Office, Café Gallery (late), Step (late)

Hope this helps.
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Solid data sheet. I'm deciding whether to take a trip to Sweden or Georgia for a week in the next few months, and this helps a lot.
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I will be in Tbilisi for about a month starting from May 9 if anyone is interested in hanging out.

What are the best sites for pipelining?

My intro on RVF. Call me crazy but I love a butterface girl.
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Quote: (04-03-2014 05:29 AM)Pacesetter20 Wrote:  

Quote: (04-02-2014 12:34 PM)Sylvester Wrote:  

Pacesetter20, thanks for the data sheet.

I'm in Tbilisi right now and can confirm it's a great city with friendly people.
Most younger women seem to have someone watching over them, or so they say.
Any advice how to get the Georgian flag in 3 weeks while I'm here? I haven't done night game before and will be staying at hostels.
Should be doable, but might be tough if don't have night game experience, but it isn't as necessary as in the U.S.

First step, check out of the hostel. Not many girls will have their own place and trying to sneak them in is going to be a pain. PM me if you (or anyone else) wants the contact info for a pretty cheap apartment in between old city and Freedom Square, it will run about 50 GEL or 28 USD.

Second, Sun-Wed there isn't going to be much going on at night except maybe the random group or what not a Café Gallery or at any of the other bars, use these days for dates or day game.

Game: "Excuse me, do you speak English?" "Excuse me, do you have a light?" "Excuse me is this a good bar/club?" and wait until one bites. They aren't going to immediately throw themselves on you and will still need some game (read: not being a thirsty Georgian guy telling them how beautiful or how much you love them). Play somewhat aloof, drop travel/other interesting stories. ONS are possible but rare, you will probably have to set up a second (or third) date depending on the girl and if she is with friends (almost all will).

Venues: Read above, but here's a general guide from my short time there.

Thursday: Medusa (early), Night Office, Step (late)
Friday/Sat: Senate (if they have a program), Unique, Urban, Night Office, Café Gallery (late), Step (late)

Hope this helps.

Thanks again man. I was really busy in Tbilisi and found an apartment with the help from local friend - cheap and away from the centre. Didn't score in Tbilisi and didn't really put in effort to do so. Everything else worked out and it was a great trip. One day I am planning to be back in that part of the world. BTW, I have never had my ass grabbed so much by random dudes as in Cafe Gallery. Not going back there. [Image: confused.gif]

I also went to Yerevan for a while and I can confirm that hostels do not allow local women enter the rooms. Rented a private room in one of the hostels. Then met a really cute girl from CS in Yerevan. (9/10 for me for sure) She was game to having some fun after our 2nd date and the hostel staff didn't let her in. We went out for a few drinks after that and she left soon. Lesson learned.
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Quote: (03-08-2014 05:08 AM)Pacesetter20 Wrote:  

Restaurants

The Funicular Complex (four separate venues for fine drinking and dining in the renovated Funicar three storey historic building) is definitely the best place in Tbilisi. Was in Georgia in May with Ukrainian GF and we went there almost every night, first to dine at the Chela restaurant (best georgian food in town), and then to get drunk at the Lounge Bar. The funicular railway (itself renovated) takes you there in five minutes from old Tbilisi.

http://www.funicular.ge/index.html?lang=e...unicular-1

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View from Lounge Bar's gorgeous terrace :

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When you visit Georgia, you have to go Signagi, a wonderful littlle town facing the Dagestan mountains, at about 120 kms from Tbilisi. It's a kind of "a town-museum", almost entirely renovated and rather touristic, but super nice.

And if you want to treat yoursef, stay at the hotel Kabadoni : http://kabadoni.ge/. First pic is the view from our room's terrace. We stayed five days.

As a side note, most of the pixs have been taken in the side of town with the best views but much quiter than the other side, where there is many cafes, restaurants, boutiques. Many tourists (georgians, russians, armenians, ect), but mostly couples. Better go there with a GF.

Pics done with an iPhone 5s.

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My dad visited Georgia when he was a little boy. His dad took him there.

Every time we talk about it he looks wistfully in a far off direction, recounting the the warmth and incredible hospitality of the Georgian people.




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Quote: (06-08-2014 02:33 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

My dad visited Georgia when he was a little boy. His dad took him there.

Every time we talk about it he looks wistfully in a far off direction, recounting the the warmth and incredible hospitality of the Georgian people.

Georgian people are indeed welcoming. And Tbilisi does have an undeniable charm ... the city (and especially the old town) is truly remarkable and unlike anywhere else I've ever been. It is clear why so many travellers "in the know" like it. It's Russia, but it's not. It's Turkey, but it's not. It's Italy, but it's not. Maybe a kind of Saint Petersburg-meets-Istambul-meets-Napoli-meets-Kiev ???? In fact, I really do not yet know where to place it. But it's definitely a great place to visit.
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Quote: (06-08-2014 03:52 AM)pechorin Wrote:  

Quote: (06-08-2014 02:33 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

My dad visited Georgia when he was a little boy. His dad took him there.

Every time we talk about it he looks wistfully in a far off direction, recounting the the warmth and incredible hospitality of the Georgian people.

Georgian people are indeed welcoming. And Tbilisi does have an undeniable charm ... the city (and especially the old town) is truly remarkable and unlike anywhere else I've ever been. It is clear why so many travellers "in the know" like it. It's Russia, but it's not. It's Turkey, but it's not. It's Italy, but it's not. Maybe a kind of Saint Petersburg-meets-Istambul-meets-Napoli-meets-Kiev ???? In fact, I really do not yet know where to place it. But it's definitely a great place to visit.

Great pictures. It looks like Tallinn was placed in the Mediterranean.
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I agree that Tbilisi and Georgia in general are awesome travel destinations with lots to see and do for budget travelers.

But since this is a game forum, let's be honest: it's extremely hard to get laid there with a local girl.

I'm currently in Tbilisi and face the same problems like in Azerbaijan and Armenia: Absolutely stunning and endearingly feminine women who are super hard to crack. These chicks don't flirt in public and rarely smile or respond to eye contact. It's a true uphill battle here against a village mentality where everyone knows everyone, conservative attitudes, heavy LMR, sausagefests at bars and clubs, low level of conversational English and terrible logistics in that most girls even in their mid-20s live with their parents and have cockblocking curfews.

Thanks to Georgia's EU ambitions, it's slightly easier than in Yerevan or Baku to find liberal girls who would consider having a foreign boyfriend and who speak good English. I'm actually dating a Georgian girl right now who I recently met in Azerbaijan (no sex yet, though).

Still, people who have two weeks vacation time in a year and want a Eastern European country where they can get quick and wild bangs with hot FSU girls should NOT come to the Caucasus. It's a great place to bring a girl, travel around, drink cheap wine and hear Soviet Union stories from the locals but I strongly advise against coming here solely for gaming purposes.

For Georgia, I see some potential in Batumi where you could game Russian chicks on holiday but then again you need to know Russian (which helped me IMMENSELY while traveling the region). Also, since their are super cheap flights from Poland to Georgia, you might have some luck with scoring Polish tourists. Other than that, you are wasting your time.

Edit: I overlooked that Pacesetter20 got his Georgian flag during nightgame. Props to him. Like he said, SNLs are the exception in Tbilisi. Most foreign guys who live here struggle hard with that.
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Excellent report, has anyone been to Armenia? I'm curious as to how similar/dissimilar it would be in comparison to Tbilisi?
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Quote: (06-12-2014 01:44 PM)Brian Boru Wrote:  

Excellent report, has anyone been to Armenia? I'm curious as to how similar/dissimilar it would be in comparison to Tbilisi?

Cost of living is about the same.

Girls are move attractive and more conservative in Armenia.

Nightlife seemed better in Tbilisi, but Yerevan doesn't exactly set the bar that high.
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i confirm everything that the op posted. have a saq'artvelo gogo megobaro az tblisi. one of my long time friends is a tblisi girl. her grandparents still live in the country raising their own horses. her parents live in tblisi. the entire family collectively has one truck. they are very wealthy family. what people do for fun? ;p sit out in the grass. every body around 22 knows kartuli zaboni english and rusi. as the op wrote, the russians are chumps to americans over there. to be honest, like every other persian country that ends with the suffix 'stan' the country plays off america and russia(like we play off girls [Image: tongue.gif]) . to be honest there are an invasion of chinese in the persian countries. my friend is always like 'you like chinese food!?' haha. great data sheetP2. +1
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Quote: (06-12-2014 01:44 PM)Brian Boru Wrote:  

Excellent report, has anyone been to Armenia? I'm curious as to how similar/dissimilar it would be in comparison to Tbilisi?

I wrote a report on Armenia here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35789-...#pid719689
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^ Thanks
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Quote: (06-11-2014 10:32 AM)Flint Wrote:  

But since this is a game forum, let's be honest: it's extremely hard to get laid there with a local girl.

Flint confirms my fears of that country. lol going to Tbilisi is one of the silliest ideas I have heard in my life. Caucasus nations are some of the most backward and the most conservative nations you will ever find in this part of the world. The guys' thirst you mentioned is a reflection of that. Do the Georgian women have a lot of hair on their backs btw, cause holy crap are their men hairy?

In general I think it might be interesting to visit once to see the unique mountain setting / architecture / drink local wine / mineral water, but for the women - no thanks. It's actually quite dangerous and supposedly in Georgia you need to make arrangements with a female's family before attempting to date her, otherwise you'll get your ass whipped or worse.
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