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How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread
#51

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

^^^ I thought so. My problem is that I get anxious and my face tightens up. At that point, I'm compensating both for this and time lost. So I reckon it looks unnatural.

I notice that when I'm on a high from talking to someone, I'm in a mood that results in a higher likelihood of smiling at girls. Problem is that I'm not in this type of state all the time even though it's a lot more than it used to be. I've also been at home a lot recently due to being I between jobs; I'd be foolish to think this doesn't have anything to do with it.

I found this thread to be helpful insofar as how you respond to IOIs with anxiety; I'll cross reference here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5380.h...ht=Anxiety
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#52

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

If a girl starts a conversation with you, and it isn't a social circle or business thing, see probably wants the D.
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#53

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (04-17-2014 09:39 PM)theking Wrote:  

While interesting and useful at times I think "recognizing'' iois" is not something one should put a lot of effort into. Just keep escalating and when you're having sex hopefully you know the answer

Agreed. I think you should just approach every woman with the assumption that shes attracted to you and if shes not then she will be.

Kinda be oblivious to their emotions regarding attraction becuase you know that women dont know wtf they want.
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#54

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

When it comes to core attributes of attraction men and women are no different. If we are talking about sexual attraction then this is almost impossible to create. The moment you meet someone, sexual attraction will either exist on some minimal level or it will never exist at all. If it does exist on that minimal level it can be increased within limits but if it does not exist at all, it cannot be created. Regardless of what you think of yourself and this is not a male/female trait. It's a human trait.
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#55

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

What about flushed chests? I can see this occur from time to time when i flirt with girls.
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#56

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

I already have seen plenty of IOIs from a girl, so I have her settled, however she has used this line a few times that piques my curiosity for future scenarios with other girls. And I think I have heard it before.

Rough paraphrasing
Me: "ugghhh I have to work with you again" (eg, a group project)
Her: "Oh stop, you love me" *toned in a cute way with a smile*
Me: *some form of denial* + "you wish"

The last time this occurred, I realized I shouldve simply sarcastically said "Riiight..."

I suppose the only way to confirm it is to confirm it recreationally.
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#57

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Is it an IOI if a girl spontaneusly offers to help you?
A few days ago I got on the train and sat at my seat. Then the ticket collector came and gave me an envelope. A girl (5-6 range) sitting on the opposite side of the same row as mine said
"Do you know what this envelope is?"
For reimbursement for the delay.
"Yeah, I said because it's written in German."
I asked where she was headed and she reciprocated (we were not going to the same town). I asked which one of the two possible stops would be better for me to get off and take a connection and she gave me her advice. I didn't push further.

Do you think she started the conversation because she found me interesting or because she wanted to chat with someone?

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Grab your life by the pussy.
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#58

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (04-27-2014 02:11 PM)MoveOnUp Wrote:  

Here's another: when you make eye contact with a girl who is walking by you, hold it. Do not break it first. If she looks down (submissive emotional response=tingles), she's interested. If she looks to the side, she might be interested (neutral). If she looks up, she thinks you're below her.

A gorgeous 10 walked by me with her less attractive friend - I locked eyes with the 10 and she said Hi to me...

Was this an IOI - or was she simply showing how popular she is to her friend?
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#59

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (07-03-2016 09:42 PM)Perfectionist Wrote:  

Quote: (04-27-2014 02:11 PM)MoveOnUp Wrote:  

Here's another: when you make eye contact with a girl who is walking by you, hold it. Do not break it first. If she looks down (submissive emotional response=tingles), she's interested. If she looks to the side, she might be interested (neutral). If she looks up, she thinks you're below her.

A gorgeous 10 walked by me with her less attractive friend - I locked eyes with the 10 and she said Hi to me...

Was this an IOI - or was she simply showing how popular she is to her friend?

You are asking a question that only you truly know the answer to, grasshopper.
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#60

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

A girl chose the same cake as me at the bakers today...Does she find me attractive?
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#61

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

I was going to start a new thread but I notice this one might be relevant to my query and bring out a point that I havent seen mentioned. Guys who are starting out in game not having had much success might relate to this.

Girls giving IOIs when it is clear that they have a bf/partner:

My first suspicion based on experience is that they are doing it to get their partner jealous. But how do we confirm it? What are the tell tale signs to gauge genuine interest as opposed to attention whoring?

Also, if they are doing it for their partner, how does one respond in a way that demonstrates high value and at the same time also tells her that he is not some beta to be used for her own purposes?

Thanks for your opinions.
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#62

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Yeah, I never understand it when a girl with a man gives you signs. Cant women just be direct and say they want the bang?!

Beliefs are more powerful than facts.
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#63

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (01-30-2017 07:32 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  

Yeah, I never understand it when a girl with a man gives you signs. Cant women just be direct and say they want the bang?!

From my experience they do it mostly to get attention from other man. Women are by nature,attention whores - no matter-are they in relationship or no. Every man should understand that. Getting attention from many man are one of the most important things in their lives. As i mentioned on other thread - one girl told me not long ago:"Woman is alive when she is desirable not only by her man, but by other man too.." . And i found an old proverb from my nations folklore : " Women and bees doesn't satisfy themselves with a honey from one single flower."
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#64

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (01-30-2017 07:17 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

I was going to start a new thread but I notice this one might be relevant to my query and bring out a point that I havent seen mentioned. Guys who are starting out in game not having had much success might relate to this.

Girls giving IOIs when it is clear that they have a bf/partner:

My first suspicion based on experience is that they are doing it to get their partner jealous. But how do we confirm it? What are the tell tale signs to gauge genuine interest as opposed to attention whoring?

Also, if they are doing it for their partner, how does one respond in a way that demonstrates high value and at the same time also tells her that he is not some beta to be used for her own purposes?

Thanks for your opinions.

I understand women want to be admired by men. But my query was about differentiating that need for attention between you, the guy she is sending signals to and some other guy she wants to impress by making you respond to her.
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#65

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

There are 2 types in my opinion.

Initial signals

That's when girls do the typical things that mainstream talks about. Girls usually show them when they like you from the start but don't really know you at all. You're her type physically, there's something about you that draw their attention to you, perceived social status, maybe social proof, etc. That's when girls play with her hair, lean in, stay near you, observe and look at you, or do more subtle things like...

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Women do become sexually aroused by the presence of a guy who either subcommunicates alpha traits or just looks good to her in some way. It happens in microseconds, just the same as it does in men when they see a woman they like. None of this "men are like a lightswitch; women are like a fader knob" shit - they are pretty much the same as us.

As your social acuity improves, you will see in real time that she is affected by your presence. Examples:

-Two girls are talking. You walk past, and suddenly one of their voices gets louder, and stops sounding natural. Sometimes this is followed by nervous laughter to cover it up.
-You walk up to the bar and suddenly girl starts fumbling with menu.
-Out of the corner of your eye you can see that the girl's gestures have become more pronounced and unnatural, as though self-conscious.
-Any situation where her behaviour suddenly becomes less natural and more pronounced as a result of your arrival. We assume it's sexual arousal because a) ALL interactions between men and women are sexual by nature, and b) If it's a low-value male with weak body language he will not affect her and her behaviour will not change, implying that she is subconsciously screening for sexual traits.

I call all of these overexertions because her body language and behaviours become more pronounced, and she "exerts" herself more for your benefit.

The previous behaviours occur when her being affected has just entered her awareness. When it has been in her awareness a bit longer, she may begin doing things like:

-If she noticed you earlier, she will suddenly appear next to you at the bar. C'mon, we have all had that happen at some point - a girl you know saw you suddenly appears next to you wherever you are.
-She may create a subtle situation for you to open her with, e.g. taking an inordinate amount of time choosing songs on the jukebox etc.
-Not so subtle situations, such as knocking into you at the bar.
-If she is particularly ballsy or just plain drunk, this could go to a full blown AI such as sitting on your lap, pinching your arse etc. These are rare but they do happen. Like I say, alcohol often plays a role here.

What I am trying to get you to think about here is that even if you don't consider yourself attractive, you will have SOME of these overexertions coming your way from SOME girls who just like your look or who aren't used to screening men very hard for alpha traits. Focusing on these girls will increase your lay rate considerably.

Girls who are not used to screening, who you will see more of these overexertions from, include: fatties and less hot girls who don't get a lot of male attention, and YOUNGER girls who are inexperienced with men. This latter category is cool because many of them are very hot and simply haven't yet learnt the art of a) Screening for alphas and b) Hiding their sexual arousal.

Knowing how to spot overexertions is entirely how naturals get laid.

Real signals

That's when the girl actually starts to like you, gets intimidated, aroused, and becomes self conscious, around you, stiff, doesn't know what to say and what to do with her hands, her hamster runs on nitro, wants to impress you somehow and usually looks stupid when she tries, becomes submissive, etc. In short she becomes boring. That's when you know she's REALLY into you. This tends to happen later on.
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How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (02-01-2017 12:15 PM)XXL Wrote:  

There are 2 types in my opinion.

Initial signals

That's when girls do the typical things that mainstream talks about. Girls usually show them when they like you from the start but don't really know you at all. You're her type physically, there's something about you that draw their attention to you, perceived social status, maybe social proof, etc. That's when girls play with her hair, lean in, stay near you, observe and look at you, or do more subtle things like...

Quote:Quote:

Women do become sexually aroused by the presence of a guy who either subcommunicates alpha traits or just looks good to her in some way. It happens in microseconds, just the same as it does in men when they see a woman they like. None of this "men are like a lightswitch; women are like a fader knob" shit - they are pretty much the same as us.

As your social acuity improves, you will see in real time that she is affected by your presence. Examples:

-Two girls are talking. You walk past, and suddenly one of their voices gets louder, and stops sounding natural. Sometimes this is followed by nervous laughter to cover it up.
-You walk up to the bar and suddenly girl starts fumbling with menu.
-Out of the corner of your eye you can see that the girl's gestures have become more pronounced and unnatural, as though self-conscious.
-Any situation where her behaviour suddenly becomes less natural and more pronounced as a result of your arrival. We assume it's sexual arousal because a) ALL interactions between men and women are sexual by nature, and b) If it's a low-value male with weak body language he will not affect her and her behaviour will not change, implying that she is subconsciously screening for sexual traits.

I call all of these overexertions because her body language and behaviours become more pronounced, and she "exerts" herself more for your benefit.

The previous behaviours occur when her being affected has just entered her awareness. When it has been in her awareness a bit longer, she may begin doing things like:

-If she noticed you earlier, she will suddenly appear next to you at the bar. C'mon, we have all had that happen at some point - a girl you know saw you suddenly appears next to you wherever you are.
-She may create a subtle situation for you to open her with, e.g. taking an inordinate amount of time choosing songs on the jukebox etc.
-Not so subtle situations, such as knocking into you at the bar.
-If she is particularly ballsy or just plain drunk, this could go to a full blown AI such as sitting on your lap, pinching your arse etc. These are rare but they do happen. Like I say, alcohol often plays a role here.

What I am trying to get you to think about here is that even if you don't consider yourself attractive, you will have SOME of these overexertions coming your way from SOME girls who just like your look or who aren't used to screening men very hard for alpha traits. Focusing on these girls will increase your lay rate considerably.

Girls who are not used to screening, who you will see more of these overexertions from, include: fatties and less hot girls who don't get a lot of male attention, and YOUNGER girls who are inexperienced with men. This latter category is cool because many of them are very hot and simply haven't yet learnt the art of a) Screening for alphas and b) Hiding their sexual arousal.

Knowing how to spot overexertions is entirely how naturals get laid.

Real signals

That's when the girl actually starts to like you, gets intimidated, aroused, and becomes self conscious, around you, stiff, doesn't know what to say and what to do with her hands, her hamster runs on nitro, wants to impress you somehow and usually looks stupid when she tries, becomes submissive, etc. In short she becomes boring. That's when you know she's REALLY into you. This tends to happen later on.

The part about Real Signals is interesting. Guys who are not used to much attention from girls might take this to be disinterest although this is the time the guy has to take charge and escalate to the next level.
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#67

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote: (02-01-2017 06:46 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Quote: (01-30-2017 07:17 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

I was going to start a new thread but I notice this one might be relevant to my query and bring out a point that I havent seen mentioned. Guys who are starting out in game not having had much success might relate to this.

Girls giving IOIs when it is clear that they have a bf/partner:

My first suspicion based on experience is that they are doing it to get their partner jealous. But how do we confirm it? What are the tell tale signs to gauge genuine interest as opposed to attention whoring?

Also, if they are doing it for their partner, how does one respond in a way that demonstrates high value and at the same time also tells her that he is not some beta to be used for her own purposes?

Thanks for your opinions.

I understand women want to be admired by men. But my query was about differentiating that need for attention between you, the guy she is sending signals to and some other guy she wants to impress by making you respond to her.

After looking at the patterns from these rather unpleasant encounters with girls I realised something. Girls who are not into you but nevertheless gives you initial IOIs for any number of reasons share this common trait:

They NEVER display these IOIs when there is a one-on-one situation where she is caught isolated and you can approach freely. Most of the time when they are attention whoring for purposes other than you, they are either with
(a) Other people which can include their partners who they want to be 'impress' OR
(b) They are on the phone/doing other work where they can still display signals of attraction but you it would be very hard for you to approach.

This leads to the conclusion of previous posters who have alluded to the fact that girls who are genuinely interested in you will give you or create a few opportunities to approach her one-on-one.

I might not have reinvented the wheel but I have not come across people discussing such revolting attention whoring by girls who actually want to impress their partners but instead might offend both the guys. I have also found this to be the case with girls who have rejected the guy before but still wants him to be her friend/orbiter. In my case, I normally restrict my interactions with these kinds of girls to exchanging greetings upon running into them but this never seems to stop them from engaging in these antics constantly and persistently.
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#68

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

I'm trying to avoid dealing with thinking about IOIs.

But, I'd like to think if a girl lets you stroke her leg, that's an IOI.
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#69

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

From another IOI thread that was bumped recently...

Quote: (09-26-2015 08:57 AM)BDawg Wrote:  

Here is cheat sheet copied from Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man:

1. Looking downward after having had eye contact with a male she is sexually attracted to is a clear sign of submission among all primates.
2. Giggling is often sign of submissiveness.
3. Emotional or dramatic outbursts. In most cases, this is a clear sign of sexual arousal in a woman.
4. Impaired concentration and an increase in the unrelatedness of emotions within a sequence.
5. An increase in lower body movements which attract male attention.
6. Blushing.
7. Scratching of her wrists and inner arms.

Does this happen?

I've never seen this scratching of the wrists and inner arms listed anywhere as an IOI before, but I've definitely seen it happen, especially in interactions with one girl in particular. Anyone know any more about this? Only relevant google result I could find was written by aspie weirdo and not informative at all.

Quote: (01-19-2016 11:26 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  
I stand by my analysis.
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#70

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

One of my favorite IOIs is when the girl pulls down your trousers and starts sucking your dong.
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#71

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

How likely do you think you can get the bang after she does that?
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#72

How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

If you're looking for IOIs, you'll miss the girls that can be taken on amber. Most girls won't give you green light. My all DG bangs came from girls who either gave me none or I didn't notice signals from them. On a date a situation is a bit different. If she came out on a date and is there, sitting next to you, it's all that matters. Escalate gradually both verbally and physically. Does she accept your saying you like her e.g., legs/lips/hips? Does she accept your squeezing her knees, touching her hands, playing with her hair? Then that's what matters. Girls rarely act, that's man's role. The overarching frame is: a man acts, a woman reacts. So proactively employ actions to receive IOIs. Often no negative reaction, is to be interpreted as POSITIVE reaction.

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How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread

Quote:ksbms Wrote:

The overarching frame is: a man acts, a woman reacts. So proactively employ actions to receive IOIs. Often no negative reaction, is to be interpreted as POSITIVE reaction.

You nailed it sir. Often times girls give consent by simply not objecting
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