[michelin]

Good news if you still think about getting married somewhere in a long distant future:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...29127.html

It sounds like sciencists finally have started looking seriously into how we should separate sex and love, blowing up some myths about cheating. Will "adultery" finally become accepted as a practice and thus becoming an essential part of whatever kind of LT relationships?

Any thoughts?

[Agent 47]

Bullshit.

Only "happiness" I can see is if the Man gets his dick wet.

An "open" relationship is one of the biggest things you can do to fuck up your relationship.
An open relationship typically benefits women more than men. If your bitch suggests this scheme, drop her like a hot potato. YOU failed because YOU were not "Alpha" enough for her. She will use YOU for emotional and financial support while she has a free pass to ride the carousel.

"Living Apart"? The fuck is this shit? A relationship typically involves you and your bitch living together and doing shit your way.

"Outsourcing"?



Honey, you're not a good cook.
Honey, you can't get me wet.
Honey, you don't have enough money.

Fucking bullshit article

[Vroom]

I'd expect for men, Keeping a discrete mistress or 2 will very much help preserve a marriage.

But for women, it's a guaranteed way to end it quick.

I suspect the the psychologist upon whoms opinion this article is based, knew, and said as much in the interview, but it didn't make the final cut.

[Soma]

(02-25-2014 07:20 PM)michelin Wrote:  

Will "adultery" finally become accepted as a practice and thus becoming an essential part of whatever kind of LT relationships?

Any thoughts?

This is pretty common knowledge and accepted practice in many (most?) places not of Anglo-Saxon or Germanic influence.

[RouteBackwards]

Cheating is good for men, bad for women. I agree with this.

The study is suspect, most of our understanding of these things come from self reports and I feel like there's much room for debate when it comes to self reports. So, while the logical side of me, and the person I am, agrees that as a man, cheating is good for me because I know I'm not a naturally monogamous creature, I feel like this logic and feeling does not spread and apply to all men. In addition, I've never seen a proper open relationship work out in the sense of just being a GOOD partner who also seems to have sex with other. They always tend to implode on themselves because emotional needs start becoming unfufilled for both partners, and in general, the women usually seem like shitty partners in the long run - spend more time fufilling masculinized tail-chasing prospects, and in turn stop doing shit like cleaning and taking care of their boyfriend.

So, there ARE issues I find with partners seeing other people, especially women, and I agree with 47, women find this most desirable when they find their partner being less then alpha and mostly unexciting.

However, men who seem to have consistent sex and or success with women (alpha gentlemen), seem to radiate a sense of masculine appeal to women and this extends especially to that mans woman. I do truthfuly believe many women of these types of men know subconsciously their boyfriends/husbands are cheating on them, but they let it go because as long as her emotional and sexual needs are being met, she silently rationalizes it as being "nothing."

The issue that commonly happens however, is most men who cheat start to invest too much time in other women, and this causes their wife/girlfriend to raise red flags, and she starts to get really hurt when she discovers the truth.

So, the issue with this article comes from WHO this benefits. I believe this to benefit men, but I can say only certain men, and only certain men who desire extra partners MORE then they do strictly their own. I also believe that this does NOT benefit many women, and if anything will ruin their relationship with their lover if the man permits it.

[Seth_Rose]

(02-25-2014 07:48 PM)Vroom Wrote:  

I'd expect for men, Keeping a discrete mistress or 2 will very much help preserve a marriage.

But for women, it's a guaranteed way to end it quick.

I suspect the the psychologist upon whoms opinion this article is based, knew, and said as much in the interview, but it didn't make the final cut.

Agreed, a relevant quote I read recently from Schopenhauer:

"A man’s love perceptibly decreases after a certain period; almost every other woman charms him more than the one he already posses; he longs for change: while a woman’s love increases from the very moment it is returned. This is because nature aims at the preservation of the species, and consequently at as great an increase in it as possible… This is why a man is always desiring other women, while a woman always clings to one man; for nature compels her intuitively and unconsciously to take care of the supporter and protector of the future offspring. For this reason conjugal fidelity is artificial with the man but natural to a woman. Hence a woman’s infidelity, looked at objectively on account of the consequences, and subjectively on account of its unnaturalness, is much more unpardonable than a man’s."

[2Wycked]

As always, but what about the kids?

What if you have a son and he finds out you are cheating on his mom?

What if you find out your father is cheating on your mother?

Come on, now.

[Valhalla]

delete

[The Lizard of Oz]

The best kind of marriage for all involved is one in which a man of means marries a beautiful younger woman who remains desirable and desired by him well into her forties; and who stays completely faithful to him at all times while looking the other way as he, while always fucking her with joy, also fucks a succession of maids, governesses and the occasional whore but never a woman who is her equal in beauty or status -- and never indulges in the sleaze of an "affair".

[Tytalus]

Remember, it's a permanent DLV to let another man fuck your woman. That is about as un-alpha as it gets.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Adultery is especially necessary among power couples, and couples that age together. That's one of the things I like about the show House of Cards. I haven't seen all the episodes yet but so far but Frank Underwood and his wife have a good understanding about this.

[Quintus Curtius]

A rare honest acknowledgment of a normally unspoken taboo.

Adultery has a long and distinguished history in many parts of the world. I have found numerous examples of near-institutionalized adultery in some Mediterranean countries.

Besides providing a relief from monogamy, adultery happened because there were social customs that acquiesced in it. In Old Spain, for example, it was permitted for soldiers off at war to allow their wives to be "looked after" by another man.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Funny how natural laws of sexual attraction are touted as a justification for female behaviour; but claim that marriages are happier and more stable if men sleep around and all hell breaks loose.

[Only One Man]

It used to be accepted and understood that powerful men would get ass on the side. As long as the man still loved his wife and took care of his family, nobody gave a shit.

[megatron]

That ghastly Jew-faced Hanna Rosin wrote a similar article a few months ago. As Heartiste stated, this is just another feminist attempt at reducing slut-shaming towards philandering wives. Something to further erode the West's already frayed moral fiber. It's also complete bullshit, because under our marriage/divorce laws, the married man will be destroyed financially and emotionally for his cheating. Something wives won't have to suffer through.

[MidniteSpecial]

The only reason my girl stays with me is because I cheat on her and she knows I will leave her if she cheats on me.

[Collide]

Studies have also shown that ignorance is bliss. How do you call it a "happy marriage" if the happiness derives from outside the marriage? Listen, if your wife isn't giving you the goods by all means fuck someone else. Just stop calling it a marriage from that point.

The study should be renamed "People that gave up are more happy". Furthermore, happiness is a vague word. I feel like they mean self gratification. If going to the gym 4 days a week and eating vegetables produced instant self gratification, we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic.

[Hotwheels]

It can still be a "happy marriage" assuming the wife is upholding her wifely duties such as child rearing, running the house, etc.

The thing is, no matter how wifely she is eventually the man's desire for her sexually will diminish and he will look elsewhere. It isn't necessarily about her "not giving up the goods", but rather a man's natural proclivity to impregnate multiple women and the fact that after a period of time his chemistry will change in regards to his wife. While we take steps to avoid pregnancy, it doesn't change the fact that sex is about making babies and is the root behind lusting attractive women.

As discussed here in the past, in earlier eras it was expected for a man to have a mistress while still providing for his family. Divorce laws have largely made this impossible in this day and age however.

[Donnergott]

Always keep in mind that the end goal of our money masters, who basically rule this sham-democracy, is Brave New World. Rampant promiscuity cannot be attained over night.

The hamsters need constant conditioning. The article is of course aimed at women. I foresee more cuckoldry, more divorce-rape etc. Becoming a Player is a form of self-defence in this rotten world, though it can be fun way to live. Women will never be able to copy men and be equally satisfied.

[Mon]

(02-25-2014 10:25 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  

What if you have a son and he finds out you are cheating on his mom?

What if you find out your father is cheating on your mother?

Come on, now.

My son would NEVER find out I "cheated" on his mom because my son's mother would be fully accepting of me having other women, and he'd be schooled in the ways of the unapologetically polygynous man.
I still, for the life of me, can't understand why people believe that a marriage, long-term relationship, and/or raising a family is somehow monopolized by monogamy.
My daughter (now 19 years old) was raised in a polygynous-style home in which she grew up considering TWO women her "momma." She still refers to them as "Momma." She had no problems.
It's all in perspective. Men seem to go with the pussified perspective when it comes to their fathers getting side pussy.

NEWSFLASH: Virtually ALL known human societies are... not were... but are POLYGYNOUS. Yes... even America... no matter what is said in polite company. Look around. Look at this forum... a bunch of polygynists who will, for whatever reason(s), shun that part of your natures when you allow government paperwork and a ring to validate your relationship, i.e., marriage.

I'd never expect my father, or ANY man, to torment himself by voluntarily sticking to one woman... married or not. Why expect my father to live up to that unfulfilling monogamous bullshit, when I SURELY will not?

IF YOU "CHEAT" ON BITCHES... IF YOUR COUSINS, BROTHERS, & FRIENDS "CHEAT" ON BITCHES... WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EXPECT YOUR FATHER NOT TO CHEAT ON YOUR MOTHER???
Why would ANY man--your & my father included--voluntarily limit himself to one pussy?

[Avarence]

In any medium or longer term relationship, it takes little time for me to become infinitely more interested in new pussy, even if my girl is an 8+. This is clearly the case for the vast majority of men, the problem is that most are beta schlubs who lack the confidence to get that side pussy, and thus resort back to the wife for occasional sex, and beat it to porn when she isn't readily available.

Those who do have the confidence to get that side pussy, will, and thus comes infidelity. Whether they attain it or not, though, wanting side action from women other than the wife or girlfriend seems to be the statistical norm for men. You cannot tell me that cheating is a fringe behavior or can't work when it seems to be essentially natural. And it gets even worse for married men in the long term. I forgot whose tagline it is on here, but that saying "I'll love you forever until you turn 30" couldn't be more true. These are liabilities long-term, not sexual assets. Depreciation all the way, and once the wall hits, I have no idea how guys can get it up for that ring-wearing beast they exchanged vows with back when she was a regulation hottie 24 year-old.

And yet, I do acknowledge that the family is an important institution. It's a double-edged sword. Something along the lines of what Mon is talking about seems correct. It's just really hard to visualize a marriage with polygyny in our current cultural structure. Given the urges that I and many other men, face, however, it's probably better than the alternative in which men cheat on their wives and get caught, which can cause the family to self-destruct in it's current structure.

[Timoteo]

Generally, a man can or will cheat, but still come home to his family. If a woman cheats, she'll generally file for divorce at some point. That's the major difference. A man will use an affair to make his home life more palatable. A woman does it after she's emotionally left her marriage, and is looking for the next man to jump to.

[Donnergott]

(02-26-2014 07:08 PM)Avarence Wrote:  

In any medium or longer term relationship, it takes little time for me to become infinitely more interested in new pussy, even if my girl is an 8+. This is clearly the case for the vast majority of men, the problem is that most are beta schlubs who lack the confidence to get that side pussy, and thus resort back to the wife for occasional sex, and beat it to porn when she isn't readily available.

Those who do have the confidence to get that side pussy, will, and thus comes infidelity. Whether they attain it or not, though, wanting side action from women other than the wife or girlfriend seems to be the statistical norm for men. You cannot tell me that cheating is a fringe behavior or can't work when it seems to be essentially natural. And it gets even worse for married men in the long term. I forgot whose tagline it is on here, but that saying "I'll love you forever until you turn 30" couldn't be more true. These are liabilities long-term, not sexual assets. Depreciation all the way, and once the wall hits, I have no idea how guys can get it up for that ring-wearing beast they exchanged vows with back when she was a regulation hottie 24 year-old.

And yet, I do acknowledge that the family is an important institution. It's a double-edged sword. Something along the lines of what Mon is talking about seems correct. It's just really hard to visualize a marriage with polygyny in our current cultural structure. Given the urges that I and many other men, face, however, it's probably better than the alternative in which men cheat on their wives and get caught, which can cause the family to self-destruct in it's current structure.

Nah - don't get married, but stay with woman if she has a child of yours (no more need for more feral single moms' brats). Go on "business travels" and meetings with the wolf-pack. Unless you are very uncareful she won't find out. Sure - to pull that strategy off quite well over the long term you have to have sufficient funds and not be famous or it will blow up as well. The more resources - the easier it is. The less - the more careful you gotta be - i.e. never hunt in your city, have 2 phones, two facebook accounts etc.

The average Cheaters chump is a total moron going for someone close to his wife/girlfriend, going out openly with the girl to restaurants, bars, walking around in parks et.

Now another question is whether this is all worth it - in my opinion only if the relationship is fulfilling to you on more levels than the sexual.

[Donnergott]

(02-26-2014 07:16 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Generally, a man can or will cheat, but still come home to his family. If a woman cheats, she'll generally file for divorce at some point. That's the major difference. A man will use an affair to make his home life more palatable. A woman does it after she's emotionally left her marriage, and is looking for the next man to jump to.

I agree. The Apex-Alphas of our society did it all the time. Plenty of unofficial Rothschilds and Rockefellers running around with different names (who suddenly have amazing careers out of the blue).

Funny thing about those families is that the marriages seldom divorced. I have read accounts even from the 19th century that even the women were given a carte blanche for infidelity. The only difference was that they were absolutely forbidden to have a child with another man and they were supposed to conduct their affairs in secret so as not to embarrass the powerful husband. Sometimes those marriages were on paper only and for the creation of a couple of heirs. The British aristocracy employed royal abortianists until the 1950s! Ah - those innocent snowflakes!

[Mon]

(02-26-2014 07:30 PM)Donnergott Wrote:  

Nah - don't get married, but stay with woman if she has a child of yours (no more need for more feral single moms' brats). Go on "business travels" and meetings with the wolf-pack. Unless you are very uncareful she won't find out. Sure - to pull that strategy off quite well over the long term you have to have sufficient funds and not be famous or it will blow up as well. The more resources - the easier it is. The less - the more careful you gotta be - i.e. never hunt in your city, have 2 phones, two facebook accounts etc.

The average Cheaters chump is a total moron going for someone close to his wife/girlfriend, going out openly with the girl to restaurants, bars, walking around in parks et.

Now another question is whether this is all worth it - in my opinion only if the relationship is fulfilling to you on more levels than the sexual.

Fuck the whole, bitch-ass "cheating" paradigm altogether. NEVER ALLOW A WOMAN TO BELIEVE SHE WILL BE YOUR ONLY WOMAN.

Be a FORREAL "Alpha."
Your girlfriend should be HAPPILY sharing you. Your wife should be HAPPILY sharing you. They should go shopping together, workout together, & laugh like giddy school girls together. THEY SHOULD ALL BE ADAMANTLY RECRUITING MORE WOMEN FOR YOU.
WHAT KINDA "ALPHA" FEARS A BITCH SO MUCH THAT HE LIES ABOUT HIS WHEREABOUTS??? FUCK THAT!!! TRAIN YA GODDAMN WOMEN!!!

It seems for most that "Game" ends where the threat a bitch being upset about another bitch begins.
Either she accepts & realizes that you're too much of a man to even consider sticking with only one woman, or you immediately give her walking papers for mistaking you for one of the pussies she's used to.