[The Beast1]

Saw this on Slashdot not too long ago:
http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/02...-discourse

My favorite line was

"to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable."


Think we have some NSA trolls in our midst? Maybe IRT is really a guy at GCHQ!

[soup]

Some guy here did just start a thread on "what would your favorite illegal activity be?"

[RawGod]

Yeah it's enough to make you paranoid. There is zero doubt that paid government trolls are tapping away at keyboards on a regular basis. Conspiracy forums would be the obvious ones, portraying themselves as raving nutsos to discredit the conspiracists, or being thoughtful conspiracists who hey presto see the light and turn to the pro-government viewpoint, confusing a lot of people (seen that a lot on JFK assassination forums). But they could be more subtle than that as well, getting involved in social engineering through feminist websites or whatever.

[Joga Bonito]

I know law enforcement has been doing this for while particularly with gang activity. Lots of self-incriminating photos and messages get posted on sites like thehoodup, which is a forum that discusses gangs and makes it really easy to make cases against said criminals. There's been quite a few cases where guys have been arrested and even convicted from police finding evidence just from social media alone after coercing members of those said forums to give up information abut crimes as they impersonate other gang members.

Police Use Web To Track Down Gang Members

Quote:

Soon after Nicholas Donaldi-Subero, the 18-year-old son of a Metropolitan Opera singer, was fatally stabbed in Queens, New York in January, some self-declared members of the Latin Kings gang took to the internet to boast about their prowess.

“We shut plenty of clicks down in the past and Corona Queens is not even an exception,” someone named ‘Farrocking’ from Far Rockaway wrote on the site thehoodup.com.

More and more social networking users like Farrockking are boasting about gang exploits, making threats about future activities and posting photos of themselves in gang colors. And increasingly those sites have become helpful tools for law enforcement officials who have used this material to prosecute alleged gangbangers. States like Ohio and California have introduced online evidence to link suspects with street crimes. Meanwhile, Florida has made it a felony offense to post gang-related material online. But this increased presence of both gang activity and law enforcement surveillance online raises questions about how to determine the line between youthful braggadocio and true bad behavior.

”If you’re a kid who wants to look cool by posing in gang colors and flashing a sign on your MySpace page it’s pretty chilling that the government can go after you,” said Rebecca Harrison Steele, the Regional Director of the ACLU Foundation of Florida.

http://www.219mag.com/2009/08/13/authori...-gangstas/

[Dr. Howard]

(02-25-2014 08:41 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

Yeah it's enough to make you paranoid. There is zero doubt that paid government trolls are tapping away at keyboards on a regular basis. Conspiracy forums would be the obvious ones, portraying themselves as raving nutsos to discredit the conspiracists, or being thoughtful conspiracists who hey presto see the light and turn to the pro-government viewpoint, confusing a lot of people (seen that a lot on JFK assassination forums). But they could be more subtle than that as well, getting involved in social engineering through feminist websites or whatever.

Yep, if state election campaign funds can pay people to troll news story comments there is also money for this.

[runsonmagic]

(02-25-2014 08:30 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

"to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable."

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but has anyone noticed how ROK has become a shill for Putin lately? They're definitely just sucking up to him, and not writing articles exposing US government assets working in the press.
http://www.returnofkings.com/30021/washi...propaganda

[Kickb]

(02-25-2014 08:36 AM)soup Wrote:  

Some guy here did just start a thread on "what would your favorite illegal activity be?"

Looks like my cover has been blown.

[Enigma]

What if Roosh has been working for the NSA all along?

[Agent 47]

If any of you meet a person who tries to incite you to do violence for whatever reason, DO NOT listen to them. Odds are they are a federal, state, or local law agent trying to build a case and fuck you in the ass if you don't cooperate.

There is a video out there of 3 undercover pigs hanging around a protest and trying to incite the protestors to commit violence. There cover is blown and just stand there being the faggots they are.

Look up Ruby Ridge. That sad affair was all because the Feds wanted Randy Weaver to spy on the Aryan Nation and Weaver told them to go fuck themselves.

[Snowplow]

Did anyone happen to go through this PowerPoint yet?
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/docum...cument/p11
I would love to have heard the background info go with it, so I could fully understand it.
But this is some scary shit.

[The Lizard of Oz]

The NSA is concerned with US national security. They have no interest in this forum. I have no doubt that they are operating shills and spreading misinformation on jihadist message boards and the like -- at least I should hope so. If they weren't doing that they should be fired.

The only thing that's "scary" about the powerpoint linked to above is its low level and abundance of bullshit talking points. I hope for the sake of the country that there are people in the NSA with a better level of knowledge and intelligence than what is reflected in that document.

[Bad Hussar]

Of course they watch online forums. They would be stupid not to. There is a lot of info that flows through them.

It is possible, but exceptionally unlikely, that any of our posts here land us in any trouble. They'd have to want to get you for something else and not have enough evidence to actually use anything from a message board. And the problem with using stuff from message boards is that if this became public knowledge it would harm their operations since it would make people think twice abut what they post.

There was an insanely popular message board from some years back called http://www.discovervancouver.com. It was ailmed art Vancouverites, who went there to talk about all sorts of shit. There is actually some quite strong evidence that the entire site was started and run by CSIS (Sort of the Canadian version of the NSA). For one thing it disappeared literally overnight, despite the the web address obviously being worth a very large amount of money due the boards incredible popularity.

Also, it is not really controversial, or in the realms of conspiracy theory, to say that a lot of the mini (and maxi) revolutions in Eastern Europe and North Africa in the past years were inflamed by Western groups (perhaps intelligence/state agencies, but this is unclear) who used message boards, facebook, twitter and the like to inflame and steer protest groups in desired directions. I'm thinking especially of Easter Europe and the colour revolutions where the movements almost certainly got support and cover from groups connected to George Soros.

But at the end of the day intelligence agencies actions on any message board are unlikely to have a material effect on any of us. They'd really have to want to get at you for some reason. Not going along with current views on gender relations is not going to be near enough.

[Glock]

(02-25-2014 11:45 AM)Snowplow Wrote:  

Did anyone happen to go through this PowerPoint yet?
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/docum...cument/p11
I would love to have heard the background info go with it, so I could fully understand it.
But this is some scary shit.

I saw this one this morning.

[Agent 47]

"All Warfare is based on Deception." Sun Tzu

Do not think that these Alphabet Agencies and our POS GOVT are above lying and cheating to get their "interests".

I do not like where this country is headed, AT ALL.

I, for one, am waiting and watching to see what will be the final straw. Perhaps it will be when the Guvmint will try and take our weapons.

If it gets to that point, it is gonna be hell on our homefront. The conflict may as well be The Second Civil War. "They" have demonstrated they are willing to kill and silence any who pose a threat to this "Democracy".

Get out if you want, those who cannot expatriate better strap themselves up cause it is going to get ugly.

[The Lizard of Oz]

The Second Civil War will be started by a signal given by Lindy West. Maybe her weight has to reach a certain threshold and then it's on.

Seriously, the NSA stuff is way overhyped. They are casting a wide net and collecting a lot of random info, the vast majority of which sits there without anyone ever looking at it and eventually gets deleted. That's about it. They are only actually interested in a tiny subset of that information.

I am much more concerned about information collection by Google than about the NSA because Google is interested in everyone (for ad targeting) and they are better than anyone else at storing, searching and exploiting every last shred of information about you and me.

I think it's laughable that people worry about the NSA who couldn't care less about them, but at the same time they'll have a Google account, use gmail, and stay logged in to Google while doing their searches on "interracial granny fisting" or whatever it is normal people do. You realize that Google is saving all that info and associating it with you, right?

If you want to worry about privacy, worry about that. Forget the NSA.

[Virtus]

Alex Jones, truthers, zeitgeist ppl and like are just as well working for the brother. Because all it takes a repost somewhere and they can find the forums where all this gets posted. and the forum software has more backdoors than a WeHo nightclub. They are already here. And they know where you are too

P.S. I swear I posted the same paragraph about 30 min ago and now it's gone

[So Hi!!! BTW if you guys need someone mildly clever and relatively smart with perfect Russian, "ok" Ukrainian and decent English you know where to find me]

[K Galt]

(02-25-2014 01:02 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The Second Civil War will be started by a signal given by Lindy West. Maybe her weight has to reach a certain threshold and then it's on.

Seriously, the NSA stuff is way overhyped. They are casting a wide net and collecting a lot of random info, the vast majority of which sits there without anyone ever looking at it and eventually gets deleted. That's about it. They are only actually interested in a tiny subset of that information.

I am much more concerned about information collection by Google than about the NSA because Google is interested in everyone (for ad targeting) and they are better than anyone else at storing, searching and exploiting every last shred of information about you and me.

I think it's laughable that people worry about the NSA who couldn't care less about them, but at the same time they'll have a Google account, use gmail, and stay logged in to Google while doing their searches on "interracial granny fisting" or whatever it is normal people do. You realize that Google is saving all that info and associating it with you, right?

If you want to worry about privacy, worry about that. Forget the NSA.

Dude...serious?

Are you sure YOU'RE not a shill trying to influence people that the NSA's collection of everyone's digital data is no big deal?

Fuck that noise! You're either a shill or extremely naive to actually believe this shit!

Seriously, the NSA stuff is way overhyped. They are casting a wide net and collecting a lot of random info, the vast majority of which sits there without anyone ever looking at it and eventually gets deleted.

Absolute horseshit, Lizard!

They have fucking built massive data storehouses all over the Globe, including one north of Salt Lake City, UT, in the middle of the desert. The NSA captures and stores every single data transmission on the internet, 24-7, 365, including this fucking forum.

And no, it's not ever getting "deleted."

They are not interested in a tiny subset of information, they are interested in having every last piece stored away and available for total recall at any time.

Have you not read 1984?!?!?!?

The NSA IS Big Brother.

And one more thing, Google is certainly storing all that info, and they cooperate with the Feds whenever they ask, so it's the same thing. Google = = NSA. Same fucking difference.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-25-2014 02:39 PM)K Galt Wrote:  

Are you sure YOU'RE not a shill trying to influence people that the NSA's collection of everyone's digital data is no big deal?

LOL, depends on the time of day. Sometimes I'm sure I'm not a shill but sometimes I'm not?? I need to start drinking again, then everything might become a lot clearer.

(02-25-2014 02:39 PM)K Galt Wrote:  

Fuck that noise! You're either a shill or extremely naive to actually believe this shit!

Based on that powerpoint, I don't see why I can't be both -- an NSA shill and extremely naive at the same time.

(02-25-2014 02:39 PM)K Galt Wrote:  

The NSA IS Big Brother.

Based on this post, I'm inclined to believe you are a paid shill for Google running a false flag operation meant to distract attention from Google's data collection.

LOL, I have no desire to argue about this stuff. If guys want to worry about the NSA looking over their shoulder, go ahead.

[K Galt]

I'm absolutely, positively certain that the MAndropshere is inundated with trolls, shills and even some false flag blogs....including RVF.

Of course, I make no accusations of any particular person unless I had solid proof, but rest assured, you have to be incredibly naive to think these cognitive infiltrators aren't common around these fringes of teh Interwebz...

To quote the dearly departed Rob Fedders of No Ma'am: "Anyone who thinks that the VAWA receiving billions a year in public funding based upon pure lies and sexism, wouldn't also resort to using plants for a few mere bucks to ensure the money keeps rolling in, doesn't understand basic economics."

And from my link I just posted:

Quote:

So who's the current Minster of Truth for our 21st Century Oceania? Looks like some guy named Cass Sunstein, the Head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs:

Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.” In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.” He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,” which they define to mean: “an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.”


Sunstein wrote this paper calling for cognitive infiltration in 2008. Mere months later, newly elected President Obama appointed him Head of OIRA. What does OIRA do?

OIRA reviews collections of information under the Paperwork Reduction Act, and also develops and oversees the implementation of government-wide policies in the areas of information technology, information policy, privacy, and statistical policy.


What do you bet "cognitive infiltration" is an official government policy now?

[The Lizard of Oz]

Of course the manosphere including the RVF is inundated by trolls, shills and false flag blogs. No argument about that. They just have nothing to do with the NSA.

[Kickb]

(02-25-2014 01:22 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

Alex Jones, truthers, zeitgeist ppl and like are just as well working for the brother. Because all it takes a repost somewhere and they can find the forums where all this gets posted. and the forum software has more backdoors than a WeHo nightclub. They are already here. And they know where you are too

P.S. I swear I posted the same paragraph about 30 min ago and now it's gone

[So Hi!!! BTW if you guys need someone mildly clever and relatively smart with perfect Russian, "ok" Ukrainian and decent English you know where to find me]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I saw it, unless this 40 is playing tricks on me

[K Galt]

Well Lizard, maybe you are and maybe you're not...but if you're not, you'd be incredibly naive to believe the NSA is no big deal. But this topic certainly gets my goat. The Federal Government is literally transforming into the all-seeing, all-knowing "eye of Sauron" and they are watching and recording everyone and everything in this country.

You wanna know where I'm coming from? Read this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03...datacenter

Quote:

The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.

But “this is more than just a data center,” says one senior intelligence official who until recently was involved with the program. The mammoth Bluffdale center will have another important and far more secret role that until now has gone unrevealed. It is also critical, he says, for breaking codes. And code-breaking is crucial, because much of the data that the center will handle—financial information, stock transactions, business deals, foreign military and diplomatic secrets, legal documents, confidential personal communications—will be heavily encrypted. According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”

1984 wasn't fiction...it's our current reality.

[Beyond Borders]

I think I'm going to change my username to NSA.

[K Galt]

(02-25-2014 03:11 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I think I'm going to change my username to NSA.

If you do, I hope Roosh enables the negative rep points option...

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-25-2014 03:07 PM)K Galt Wrote:  

Well Lizard, maybe you are and maybe you're not...

Thanks for the giving the benefit of the doubt here...

(02-25-2014 03:07 PM)K Galt Wrote:  

but if you're not, you'd be incredibly naive to believe the NSA is no big deal. But this topic certainly gets my goat. The Federal Government is literally transforming into the all-seeing, all-knowing "eye of Sauron" and they are watching and recording everyone and everything in this country.

If, LOL.

Like I said, they cast a wide net and try to collect as much info as they possibly can. What do they do with it then? Do you think anyone has the desire, time, or resources to go through all this unimaginable amount of data?

You talk about 1984 which is a great book, please re-read it and tell me if other than throwing the phrase "Big Brother" around, current life in the US bears a significant resemblance to what is described there. There have been and still exist societies that were actually like that -- please contemplate this truly evil fact. Societies in which a large percentage of all people were denouncers who spied on their friends and colleagues, reported them to the authorities and had them arrested, imprisoned, and often tortured and executed.

People in the West are so spoiled and so ignorant about the actual history of the last century that they are deluded that the societies in which they live bear any resemblance to these nightmare worlds. This does anger me sometimes, because I have a better understanding of what the nightmare worlds were like. But I also remind myself that most Americans luckily have no such understanding, and therefore are to be excused for making these absurd comparisons.