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Data sheet: Granada, Spain
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Gentlemen, allow me to drop some data on Granada, Spain.

For a long time, I felt like Granada was my little secret. It's a place that doesn't get much hype on here, or anywhere really, for that matter. But I've decided to spill the beans so that others may benefit. I was first here ten years ago, as an exchange student, and ever since then it's lingered in the back of my mind. While it's a mistake to try to recreate the triumphs of your past, I decided to go back a decade later and see if it was as good as I remembered. I stayed for a month. I was not disappointed.

I'm going to quote the previous data sheet made by Nudge, (nice job), and add to it. I pretty much did everything on his list and can update his info and/or give my take on it. So without further ado, let's get into it:


OVERVIEW
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Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Alright so I've lived here a couple of months doing a Spanish course and thought Id drop a sheet if anyone's interested.

Overview: Granada is a smallish city in Andalucia at the foot of the Sierra Nevada mountain range with a population of around 250k. Although the population is small you dont 'really get the small town atmosphere, there is always a buzz in the centre due to the loads of tourists that come mainly for the Alhambra. Its a huge student town and something like one third of the population is students which means there are loads of Spanish girls from other parts of Spain not living with their parents. Also means that its dirt cheap here! Its one of the last places in Spain where you get a free tapas with a drink purchase at the bars and a drink is usually only 1.50 - 2 euros for beer or wine.

To me, Granada exists in that sweet spot where the population is not the size of a mega city, but it basically has the arts, culture, nightlife, etcetera--minus the really high end--of one. So you get most of the amenities without the pollution, congestion, and attitude. As you can see from the photo, it sits at the base of the Sierra Nevada, with the "Mulhacen" being the highest peak in the Iberian peninsula. It takes about forty-five minutes by bus to reach the ski area. Another thirty minutes in the opposite direction, and you are on the shores of the Mediterranean. A little further and you are relaxing in some nice little beach towns. Granada is truly blessed in that regard.

Drinks with tapas are about 2€ everywhere these days. Ten years ago you could sometimes find them for 1€! A tubo (skinny high ball glass) of beer is 2.5€ at a normal bar, sans tapa. Interestingly, the euro had only been introduced a few years prior to the first time I was there, and many people were still thinking in pesetas and I often heard about how cheap things used to be. When the euro was introduced, prices increased sixty percent overnight. (1 coffee=100 pesetas, changed to 1 coffee=1€. But 1€=160 pesetas!) So you can only imagine what a deal it was in the '90s. In 2014, I didn't find it to be as good of a value as it was before, especially when taking into account the rising prices and the economic crisis that has sent shops closing and unemployment skyrocketing. That said, it's still much more affordable than the top-tier European cities, of course. Perhaps we'll get more into the economics later. For now, let's move on.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

One thing is that place is absolutely infested with foreign students. I think its one of the biggest exchange student locations in Europe. This can be a good thing with there being loads of girls from pretty much everywhere but also bad as there are also a shitload of Americans here. I cant go a day walking around town without hearing an American girl say "like"a thousand times while trying to explain one stupid incident. Also unless you are from Bhutan or something your exotic factor will be absolutely zero.

Absolutely. Granada is the number one destination for Erasmus (European study abroad/exchange network) students. If you are a European college student wondering where to do your Erasmus year…

STOP READING THIS FUCKING DATA SHEET RIGHT NOW!

Go directly to your campus study abroad office and sign the papers.

On the other hand, it is infested with Americans, who all study at the Centro de Lenguas Modernas, which is part of the language faculty of the University of Granada. If you want to improve your Spanish and are looking to travel to a Spanish-speaking country to have an immersive language-learning experience, it really is an excellent school where you can learn pure Castellano. Don't worry, you can drop the theta and you'll never have to use vosotros again if you go back to Latin America! So, yes, the American girls will annoy the shit out of you if you let them. But after reading this data sheet, you should have some tips on how to avoid them.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Time to visit: Like most of inland Spain the place is a ghost town in summer and stinkingly hot so avoid between around mid June to Mid Sep. Any other time is fine, can get quite cold in the winter though due to it being in the mountains.

Quoted for truth.


WOMEN
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Girls: There are lots of pretty, thin, feminine and petit Spanish girls around but its not like your going to get whiplash walking down the street. They are quite friendly and usually open for a chat, not much bitch shield. Not very easy to lay though as has been said on here about Spanish girls over and over. Lots of student and tourist girls from pretty much everywhere too.

I will go on record as saying that I think Spanish girls are gorgeous, in general. I know this is a personal preference thing, so I will leave it at that, but if you like white Latin girls with tight bodies, you are in for a treat. You will have your range of looks, but it's such a young, compact, lively city that you are sure to see plenty of attractive chicks wherever you go. One thing that has changed for the better in the last ten years is the rise of the yoga pants. God bless them. Strangely though, many Spanish chicks don't know how to do yoga pants, leggings, those super-sheer things that basically look like pantyhose that girls are wearing as pants these days. It seems like a majority of girls are wearing them with regular panties, which is a damn shame as it doesn't look right at all. It's almost like wearing a diaper when the pants are that tight and sheer! There's this thing called a "thong", ladies. Learn to wear it, please! Even though their execution of yoga pants, leggings, and the like is lacking, the view is still pretty and those hips are switching.

A bonus is that they tend to have a good head on their shoulders and a good attitude. They're Europeans in a big university town, so there's education. They're also young and relatively poor/humble, living in a low-key, laid-back place, so the cuthroat Sex in the City vibe and attitude is missing. They are approachable, for sure. It's all up to you. You'll get out of it what you put into it, and like anywhere else in the world, it's a simple numbers game.

I think their weaknesses lie not in anything particular to Spanish girls, but to girls in general. One big difference that I've noticed in the last ten years is that girls seem to have become weirder, and almost borderline-autistic in their behavior. Smartphone obsession is massive, although their "smart" phones here are pretty shitty--lots of cheap LG, Samsung, and Chinese shit. I saw very few I-phones in a month there, in which I saw hundreds and hundreds of phones everywhere I went.

When you go to a club, you will encounter those girls that are having their "Girls Night Out" and are interested in nothing more than taking photos of how fabulous they are and how much fun they are having for their Facebook and Twitter feeds. American girls in Granada are the worst for this--and in addition, they can't dance, they have no taste in music, and I swear, your average twenty year old American girl studying abroad in Spain is more interested in going out for a shawarma with her gurlz after the club than breaking away from the group and going home with a handsome Spanish guy who is willing to fuck them.* So, yes, Spanish girls of the same age range are not immune to this general anti-social, awkward girl behavior which has become somewhat of a global phenomenon, either. Another strike against the women in Granada is that the town is also filled with hippie, feminist, LGBT types... I'm not going to lie. But, obviously, we are going to avoid them like the Americans.

*True story

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Goes without saying that knowing Spanish will go a long way, although many of the college kids are at least conversational in English. The accent can take a while to get used to though if you learned Spanish elsewhere as they have a very loose way of pronouncing things. They like it when you tell them you prefer the Andalucian Spanish too.

I'm going to go ahead and address here what Nudge mentioned toward the end of his sheet (I've moved it here.) That is…


LOGISTICS
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Where to stay: In the centre of course! I curse myself everyday that I'm living out a bit from town, even if its a nice spot next to the river with a view of the mountains.

Take a drafting compass and a map and draw a quarter-mile radius around Plaza Nueva, stay within this circle and you're good. There aren't any well-known chains, but there are quite a few upscale boutique hotels. Budget accommodation is probably not going to be very nice. You would probably be better off renting an entire place on AirBnB if you don't want to splurge on a hotel. If you are going to study there, the language school can hook you up with listings, or you can call the numbers on the ads that you see posted everywhere for college kids looking for roomates. That could be tricky if you are not long-term or not Erasmus, which is what they seem to prefer.

Stop by a Yoigo shop to buy a new SIM chip for your unlocked international player phone. Get a prepaid package and you're good. I actually went with Orange and bought a plan that included data and tethered it to my laptop when I needed it, which worked out fine. Movistar is the most expensive. Amena is probably the best, but it seems like they've moved all their operations online, so I don't know how that works, exactly.

Boom! Now you've got your phone hooked up and your place in the heart of the city.


NIGHTLIFE
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Bars/Clubs

Take your vitamins and make sure to have a siesta because Granada nightlife is LATE, even by Spanish standards. People will go out to tapas bars at 11 or so, then maybe another bar until 3 or 4 and then clubs until 7. There is party pretty much everynight as well, maybe Mon and Tues a bit slow but any other day and you will be fine. Here are a few places below:

Well Dorothy, we're not in the California police state anymore, that's for sure. Like Nudge says, the clubs in Granada don't even start until 3am. I've entered places at 2:50 and there are two other people there. 3:15 rolls around and there are twenty, then by 3:30 there are a hundred and by 4:00 it's wall-to-wall people. You can leave a club at 5am and see long lines out the door when the locals start arriving in full force. Do what you gotta do, but be ready to go 'til 6am or later. I recommend that one trains for this style of nightlife. If you can, try working as a bartender or in some other capacity for a nightclub for a while, before coming here. That will help you become more accustomed to the hours that you will have to put in. If you are going to stay here for any length of time, I think bartending would be a great job, as well. You might as well get paid to be up all night having chicks open you, the cool foreigner. Anyway, for this very reason, I can almost say that nightlife in Granada is a young-man's game. Not everyone can drink hard 'til 6 or 7am more than a couple nights a week without it taking a toll.

So let's look at some clubs:

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Vogue (locals pronounce it Bog-eh): This is the place where people come to hook up in Granada. Its a 2 floor club with indie/electronic downstairs and either rock or techno upstairs. Its not a very glamorous place in fact its dark, dirty and loud but it seems everyone is on heat here. Kicks off around 3/30am and goes until 7. Turns into a massive cockfest at around 430 when swarms of thirst dudes flood in so try get there earlier. Still its pretty easy to pull in here. You can try your luck on the dancefloor or out the front where everyone smokes. If you fail before close you can always try Roosh's afterparty move out the front as everyone hangs around for a while. A Spanish guy I know says he has pulled loads of girls back to his place this way. Quality is all over the place but always some hotties. Its open every night too, I was here on a Wednesday and it was rammed until 6am. Costs around 6-8 euros to get in with a drink included.

Agreed. Not very glamorous, but certainly a fun-loving student-leaning crowd. I saw two chicks making out upstairs. I was pretty drunk and kind of horny. I was thinking about pulling a threesome apocalypse opener, but instead just took a few pictures of them right up in their face with flash and everything... I looked at them the next day and was glad I didn't! I also have a pic of a guy wearing a Dennis Rodman Bulls jersey, and a chick in a Mike Alstott Bucaneers jersey--pure class! I wouldn't get here any earlier than 3am, like anywhere in Granada.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

La Booga: This is probably my favourite club in Granada. Plays funky soul music and usually a good number of girls in there. Doesnt get going until very late, usually around 4am and goes until 7 as well. Open Wed to Sun and around 8 euros on the weekend with drink, free during the week.

This was my favorite club in Granada, also, because of the Wednesday-night reggae/dancehall party. 3€ to get in with a beer included. Starts at 3am, goes 'til late. Not a huge crowd, but a good one which comes for the music. I went to a ten-year anniversary party for a local soundsystem there on the weekend and it was off the hook.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Camborio: This has one of the best locations for a club you will find. Its up on the hill in Sacromonte with a huge terrace offering a glorious view of the Alhambra. Such a shame that this place is cheesy as fuck with horrible music. Its a real tourist and exchange student place, there will be hot students but competition is intense and its a cockfest. The problem with places like this is that not many Spanish girls go here but hoardes of Spanish dudes go looking for the foreign students. Therefore the ratio and dynamics get fucked up. The club Granada10 is supposedly like this too although I havn't been there. At least with Vogue a lot of Spanish girls go there too so its nowhere near as bad. Thurs - Sat and around 8 to get in with a copa.

Yes, Camborio (Camino del Sacromonte, 47) is shit for the reasons listed above. In spite of the potential of the view (perhaps in the summertime, not too spectacular in the wintertime when it's cold and drizzling) it's not worth going to. At least they played Latin crossover music in the little cave-like area in the front. And since Nudge mention it, let me add to his sheet with the addition of this next club:

Granada 10. Calle Carcel Baja, 10., between Calle Elvira and Gran Vía. It's an old movie theater which has been turned into a club. I don't know if they still do it or not, but I saw a film there back in the day, which was pretty cool since everyone sat on couches along the sides of the theater and ordered drinks. I think it is a fantastic set-up for a club, but... the deejays (at least on Wednesday night, though I heard equally bad sounds pouring out on the street pretty much every time I walked by at night) are absolutely horrible. I'm serious in saying that those Wednesday night guys are two of the worst deejays that I have ever heard, and that is an epic FAIL for me. I like music. When I'm at a club and the music is good, it's guaranteed I will have a good time. If the music is really bad, I can sometimes have a hard time getting into the right mood and mindset, even if there are hot chicks and other positives. I went here three times because it was literally minutes from where I lived and was therefore easy to pre-game at before heading to reggae night at Booga. I had one moment where I had just gotten there, heard the same shit the deejay had played the previous week, the strobe lights were popping, Autistic American Gurlz™ were seizing and posing duckface with their friends for smartphone selfies, and I just smiled and had one of those maniacal, belly laughs for a moment, and then sipped my whisky with the hugest grin on my face. It was all just too much. So unless you like crappy electro-pop mixed with Top-40 from ten years ago and a crowd of American exchange students, skip this place, too. 6€ with drink before 1:30pm.

*True story.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

La Copera Industrial: Big Ibiza style superclub a little out from the centre. If there are any big DJs in town they will usually be playing here. If you are into your beats like me then its reccommended but just for pick up I wouldnt bother. Pretty much all locals though and there are some hot girls. Check the web to see if anythings on, around 15 usually to get in with a drink.

Yep, I went to a rave there with some Swedish friends back in the day. Great place to do that.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Mae West: Big commercial disco located in a mall nearish to the centre. I actually havnt been here yet, but I've been told its a bit more upscale than the usual places and you need to dress up a bit to be let in. A mix of Spanish and internationals.

I went here. Centro Comercial Neptuno, C/ Arabial, s/n, (The Neptuno mall is ghetto and deserted during the day, so don't get any ideas about day-gaming, fellas.) For the clubbing experience it is THE place to go to in Granada. I went here on a Friday night and it was packed. There could have been 1,000 people there. It's a huge place with three different rooms, which was nice. The main room was mostly Latin house-type music (good deejay that night), the other room plays Latin crossover, and the third, which I didn't spend much time in, seems to play pop/top-40 type of stuff. So what do we want to know about? The women, yes. I will tell you, this is the place that girls get all done up and put on their fuck me heels and their tightest dresses to go to. The ratio was good, more than 50% female (you do the math) and looking good. I didn't notice other foreigners here, though there had to be, but the crowd is Spanish and looked to be around mid 20s to 30s in age.)

If you like nightgame, this is your place, hands down. Good looking women everywhere, loud music, flashing lights, drinking--it's a full on party. I liked the fact that it's big and they have the separate rooms. Again, on a personal preference tip, when I'm in a Spanish-speaking country, I want to hear music in Spanish! Yes, even if it's pop. I don't give a fuck about whatever American autotune singer's shit has been hot on MTV for the past six months. So the Latin crossover room was the right vibe for me. Spanish girls (and guys) love reggaeton, electro-merengue, bachata, mashups, etc. too. In fact, it's all about the Latin American swagger. And let me take this time to address some points about game. Game Tip #1: If you are a Spanish speaker, run Latin American game. If you are a Boriqua, Dominican, Colombian, Mexican, whatever, use that to your advantage. I refused to do the theta or speak with vosotros or imitate the Spanish way of speaking in any way. They think it's cool when you say chevere or whatever. They don't even know some Latin American terminology, which is funny. If your Spanish is so-so, I would not try imitating them and their accent. Sometimes I can't even take them seriously when they're saying lots of words in succession with C's and Z's, so hearing a gringo saying th-inco, th-ine, gra-th-ias, etc. would be too much! Own your foreignness. I even tried something that I normally don't do when I am in a Spanish-speaking country and just went full-on English with some of them in a very forward, bombastic sort of manner a few times, to good effect. It was kind of refreshing to just say "fuck it", I don't want to have the same discussion about my accent and how good my Spanish is, yada-yada, where are you from, etc. and just put them on their heels and see if they get excited to use some English with a foreign guy. It's very situational, of course. Your mileage may vary.

So Mae West is a big winner for hot women and nightgame. 12€ on the weekend with two drinks. No face control, but you should look sharp anyway.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Forum Plaza: Also never went here but heard this is the hi-end club of Granada. Heard it is quite hard to get into and you must be on point. Has top talent though apparently.

I went here, too, and I hate to burst your bubble, but this place is a joke. It's located on Calle Jose Luis Perez Pujadas, next to Parque de las Ciencias in the Forum Plaza building, go figure. It's a place that badly wants to be a hi-end nightclub, down to the mirrors, neon fusia and blue lighting, and other Miami Vice touches, but like Scarface, much of the clientele who I saw here were likely doing blow in similarly-themed clubs back in the '80s. It was filled with women who had hit the wall... and none of them survived. Fifty year olds trying to act twenty. Guys in lumberjack plaid and "Affliction" shirts. Gotye remixes being cheered on. Horrible ratios. #GetmeTFO.

As I've already alluded to, I can dispel the myth of face control here. You mustn’t be on point to get in here. Or anywhere in Granada. This is particularly interesting, seeing as how ten years ago the first thing a bouncer did at a club in Granada was look at your shoes. You couldn't even get past the door at Granada 10 without dress shoes. Jeans and baggy pants used to be a no-no, as well. It's pretty much "anything goes" these days. I chalk it up to the crisis: When the economy is good and people are making money, clubs can be selective as to whose business they will accept. When everyone is struggling to pay the rent, you're taking all the customers you can get. I rocked a sportcoat and pocket square, fitted pants and wingtips, expecting more style from the crowd. Coincidentally, it was also looking like rain, so I packed an umbrella with me, one of those short ones with a stub handle. Instead of checking it at the door or whatever, just for fun I stuffed that thing in my front pocket like I had a freak-sized bulge in my pants to see if it would set any female hindbrains off. When I saw the old ladies in there, I was too busy avoiding eye contact and praying that they would keep their eyes above the waist to notice if it worked!

In short: No lookers, old crowd, crap music, tacky decor, and horrible ratios. It's also kind of small and was packed to the point that you could hardly move in certain sections. Thumbs down. 10€ with a drink.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Planta Baja: More of a bar/disco pre place than an actual club. Runs from 12 until around 4 before everyone goes to a club. Actually has a great layout for pick up as there is a terrace out the front that everyone smokes on, then upstairs is a cool bar/loungey spot, then a dancefloor downstairs. Its not always that full though so can be hit and miss.

Summed it up pretty well. I got here maybe around 2am and there were more people outside in front smoking than there were inside. Game Tip #2: Smoking Game will work wonders here. I haven't seen so many smokers since, well, I was in Europe ten years ago and just walking into a bar meant you were going to smoke a pack of cigarettes that night whether you liked it or not. You can't smoke inside anymore, so every place has an outdoor smoking area, whether it means just walking outside in the street in front, or having a courtyard around back, or even a covered tent-like patio on the side, etc. So you can practice smoker game there, if that's what you're into. You will be asked for a light. Even if you're just walking down the street or chilling in a plaza.

Back to Planta Baja--it had kind of grungy atmosphere. Some ganja blazing amongst the smokers. It is a pretty cool layout. Good music when I was there. Rock upstairs and some funky stuff downstairs, including some cumbia, which was a bit of a surprise. Calle Horno de Abad, 11. (One block below Plaza de los Lobos.) No cover.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

El Son: Bar/Pub with a little downstairs dancefloor playing some funky tunes. Open from 12 until 4am so also more of a pre place.

It's a small, locals place. A very mixed bag of clients from older people, to druggy homeless looking types, to your Average Joe. It's a bit rough around the edges, but actually has a good atmosphere. People were having a lot of fun there, laughing and dancing, and the music was good. Quite a few people drinking mojitos. No cover. Calle Joaquín Costa s/n, (between Calle Elvira and Gran Via, two blocks from Plaza Nueva.)

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Pub Legend: God this place is awful, I cant stand it. However, it is always filled with exchange students pretty much everynight. No idea why, but nearly all students go here for pre drinks before heading out to a club. If you go though be prepared for the most skankiest bathrooms if you will ever encounter. The piss smell is so strong it will make your head spin.

I may be wrong here, but I think this place has closed down, I saw the address as being Plaza de los Lobos, 11., but there is no Pub Legend there. There was instead a creepy-looking place with a dark entryway and a guy dressed in a masquerade costume at the door called "La Kama." I did not investigate any further. Fuck that! I tried searching google for info about it closing and came up empty handed. Who knows?

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Bars around Calle Pedro Antonio de Alarcon: This is an area down a bit from the centre where there are loads of studenty/dive bars. Most of them are pretty awful, but its a popular place to go out with the student crowd. I would just reccommend wondering around looking for girls to mack on the street in-between venues. Or there is the chupiteria (shot bar) which is always popular with the exchange students.

Yeah, this area seems pretty low class. Full of dive bars with people who don't seem to have a lot going for them. I popped in one place across the street from the chupetería (shot bar) and had a beer and watched a little bit of an NBA game on the TV and then bounced.

Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Other places: There are loads of little small bars all around Plaza Nueva, Albycin and Plaza Trinidad. These places can be good in the early evening (7-10) or lunchtime (2-4) as people catch up for a beer or coffee. Potemkin is also a great little bar next to the Centro de Lenguas Modernas. They do a sweet sushi tapas night on a Wed, great for a date.

I'd like to add a few more spots to this section:

Calle Elvira is a street which runs parallel to Gran Vía and is basically the touristy street filled with Arab shawarma shops, tea parlors, hookah bars, and souvenir/trinket shops. It's at the foot of the Albaycín neighborhood, which was the Arab neighborhood back in the day, and seemingly remains so. It's a good route for the tapeo, or tapas bar-hopping. You can get your couscous and and other Middle Eastern treats as tapas here, in addtion to the more traditional fare. There are too many places to list, but just rock up to any place that seems lively or interesting and it should do the trick.

Hanigan and Son's is on a side street here between Elvira and Gran Vía and is your typical Irish Pub where you go if you want a "pint of the black stuff." They have SkyTV sports on the televison, so if that's important to you I guess you can catch your premier league games and other stuff. I only went here once, to watch the Super Bowl. What a waste of time that could have been sleeping. A homely Asian girl from Seattle next to me pounded on the bar and yelled like a man whenever the Seahawks made a big play. I was a couple of pints in early, having mistaken the kickoff time over there in Europe, and then couldn't take any more and left at the begining of the third quarter.

Granero Cafe y Copas Plaza Poeta Luiz Rosales s/n (tucked away behind the ayuntamiento.) It's a late night spot with a crowd in its thirties. Dark atmosphere, house music, drunk flirtatious women (quality varies). There is also another club located downstairs that is separate from it, but I didn't check it out. No cover.

Campo Principe is a park in the Realejo neighbohood (one block above Calle Molinos) that is an underappreciated spot. Though it's just down the street from the langauge school where all the Americans are studying, you won't find them here. There is a row of tapas bars alongside the park which all have outdoor seating, so it's a potential date spot. On the other side of the park is…

Club (or Sala) Principe. This club gets going after 3am and goes late. It's basically a box that is packed wall-to-wall with young Spanish kids. Uncomfortably packed. Think being in a mosh pit. Takes forever to get a drink, and they serve garrafón here. This is an important word to know. Garrafón (literally those big plastic office "water cooler" jugs) basically means that they refill the bottles with no-name shit or otherwise adulterate the liquor. Either that, or Cutty Sark taste like piss, lol... The takeaway lesson here is that if you hear that a place has a reputation for serving garrafón, you can choose to stay away, or at least try to order strategically. Although I've head that these days no club in Spain is libre de pecado, basically that they're all a little sheisty. Chalk it up to the crisis, again, I say. Average deejay, played a bit of crossover/reggaeton which was a big hit with the young crowd. Bottom line: You have the ability to do mad approaches on fit young chicks. 10€ (I think) cover with one drink on the weekend.


DAYTIME
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Daygame: Try just wondering around central, most places there are plenty of people out and about. The usual haunts like H&M, Zara etc usually have cute girls in them too. Finally in the Albyzin neighbourhood there will be plenty of tourists around, especially at the Mirador de San Nicolas which is the main lookout for the Alhambra.

I think that besides walking around the centro, Plaza Nueva is a good spot. It's pretty much the heart of the city, and you will see tons of people of all walks of life, including good looking Spanish girls. Some alone, some in groups, etc. but always plenty. The university campus at Fuentenueva, especially along the Paseo Profesor Juan Ossorio where they have all the outdoor sports facilities is a good place to surround yourself with university chicks. Paseo de la Bomba along the Rio Genil is another spot where you will see lots of people jogging and strolling on the weekend. The Mirador de San Nicolas is filled with foreigners taking photos and gypsies and hippies playing flamenco and selling trinkets. The turnover is high, though. It's good to check out, if only for the view.

Bohemia Jazz Cafe, Plaza de los Lobos, is a cool little spot to grab a coffee, day or night. Filled with old books and jazzy music, it has a 1920's Parisian type of atmosphere. It's a good place to study, relax, chat, bring an instadate.


THINGS TO DO
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Other stuff: The Alhambra is obviously a must see. Lots of outdoor activities to do like mountain biking, kayaking, Sierra Nevada Ski resort is only 40 mins away too.

Yes, The Alhambra is the site to see. Pro Tip(s): Make sure you get the ticket that includes the Palacios Nazaries as they are the most impressive sight. You can also do a night visit to the Palaces on the weekend. The hours change according to the season, so check in advance. I went, because I had already been there. It's really not super impressive--the lighting design is not really well thought out or executed, so if you are going to visit once, for sure, go during the day when you can see everything. You can also enter through the Puerta de la justicia for free and wander around the Palacio de Carlos V for free during the day and at night if you want to do a free and easy instadate. Finally, there is a lot of nice scenery with great views surrounding the Alhambra that is great for a walk/hike/jog.

Flamenco: You'd be a fool to come to Granada or Andalucía and not take in a Flamenco show. It's beautiful music and is cultural heritage. There are many good spots in the Albaycín and Sacromonte neighborhoods. This last time, I went to Cafe Pub Le Chien Andalou Carrera del Darro/Paseo de los tristes No. 7 (One block above Plaza Nueva, walking along the river.) It's touristy because of its location, but it's 6€ and their artists are legit. Check the internet or tourist guides for other recommendations, and if you can somehow squeeze your way into a private show at a members-only club (I did this back in the day with a friend who had a hook-up at a place up on the hill in the Albaycín) it is an amazing experience.


SIDE TRIPS
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

Other Places around:

Malaga: Spent a weekend here and was pleasantly surprised. It gets a bad wrap but thats mostly because of the airport flying in hoardes of package tourists to the Costa del Sol. The actual town of Malaga is quite nice and has a really buzzing old town on the weekends. The actual bars and clubs I went to were rubbish but it was loads of fun just chatting shit to girls on the street.

Almeria/Cabo de Gata: Wasn't particularly impressed, was a little zone with all the nightlife around it but not that great. Cabo de Gata national park on the other hand is definitely worth a visit as its beautiful. There was even a bit of nightlife in the town of Las Negras as lots of Spaniards go on holiday here. Apparently there are great parties here in the summer.

I'll add a few more:

Cordoba: Cordoba was the Islamic capital of the Iberian Peninsula back in the day and the Mesquita (Grand Mosque) is impressive, in some ways, even moreso than the Alhambra. It's good for a day trip, for sure.

Sevilla: I personally wasn't super impressed, but it's the major city of Andalucía, so there's no reason not to check it out. Take in a football game, see some sights, hear/watch some flamenco, etc.

Mediterranean beach towns: From Malaga westward is were you will find the touristy spots and the English pensioners. If you head Eastward towards the community of Granada the spots are nothing fancy, but are more tranquil. Nerja is a laid-back little beach town where you can find charming little hotels, a topless beach or two, and decent restaurants. I think it's a good spot to take a chick for the weekend to chill and eat some paella, drink some vino tinto, and relax.

Cádiz: I've never been personally, but have heard anecdotally that the Carnival in early March is one hell of a party.


FINAL THOUGHTS
Quote: (05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Nudge Wrote:  

My Experience: Ill admit I havnt done particularly well here. Got laid a bit and had a few highlights, but overall definitely havnt set the world on fire. I wont blame the place or the girls because I have seen others get laid here, my game just hasn't been up to scratch. Its a good wake up call though that I still have a lot of work to do, I was coasting in London and got lazy. Having shitty logistics hasn't helped either, definitely DON'T get a place out from the centre like I have. Hell if I lived in the centre Id probably just go and troll Vogue 3 or 4 times a week solo at 330am, but its a 45 min walk from where I live so makes it difficult.

Having said that though I met lots of cool Spanish people, went to some crazy parties, greatly improved my Spanish and got my home Spanish flag with a sexy Granadina. Not a complete disaster.

Conclusion: I would say worth a trip for a few days if you are in Spain. If you've got your fundamentals down (decent looking, game, logistics etc) you could do quite well. Not Fisto in SEA well but decent. You will get bonus points for being blonde haired/blue eyed too, always see these guys with chicks. Plus its cheap, beautiful, good food, decent (albeit studenty) nightlife, mostly good weather and other stuff to do around the area. Even for a longer stay it would be quite good, you could easily live off 1200 or so euros a month here.

So this is really a tale of two sheets: One for the casual visitor/tourist and one for the exchange student. Honestly, I think for the young man, aged 18 to 25, there is hardly a better place to spend a semester. Social circle is a big deal here, and if you're a student you will enjoy those easy connections. For the single traveller rolling dolo, you just have to go out there and get it done. The Spanish are friendly people, so it's all good. Based on the information given, you should be able to pull out ideas for whatever your background and purpose may be. It's really a well-rounded destination that I think has something for everyone. Either way, it's hard not to have a good time there. Best of luck. Olé.
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

This is an excellent data sheet.

Looking forward to my trip.
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Nice data sheet. Spain is a country already on my travel list. Quick question though.

I am black. Will this affect my game in a any way? If it helps I can speak Spanish.
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Quote: (01-16-2015 11:48 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

Nice data sheet. Spain is a country already on my travel list. Quick question though.

I am black. Will this affect my game in a any way? If it helps I can speak Spanish.

I'm Spanish and unlike in other European countries, the black dudes I see do best in Spain are those who ditch the hip hop look, although in the end I guess it depends a lot on your vibe, appereance etc. Overall I don't really think it will affect your game a lot, Spain is not the best place for girls but speaking the language already puts you above most foreigners.

Also, American/Latin American blacks are mostly received positively by white Spanish girls, while African blacks not so much.

Тот, кто не рискует, тот не пьет шампанского
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

if anyone wants to go to Granada and practice day and night game hit me an MP,i can go to the city for a weekend [Image: smile.gif]
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

How is the weather in late Feb?

A man is only as faithful as his options-Chris Rock
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Anyone been to Granada lately?
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Nice job thirty-six!

Can you game in spain if you are american with relative success? Yes...but only if you are the "american" spanish girls have in mind:

- tall
- handsome
- fit
- blonde and blue eyes.

And in any case, they are not marriage-material anymore. If you are just a normal guy, forget it and go elsewhere.
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Anyone in Granada, Spain up for a meet up? I am here till February 2019
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

I was only there over the summer, but Granada must be completely off the hook when the students are in. Like the OP said, long streets of cheap venues, and unusually attractive women. I even had a hot taxi driver, who spoke no English but was all smiles and femininity.

Hidey-ho, RVFerinos!
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

Granada is a great city, cheap, great weather, amazing scenery and with the new highway you can get to Nerja or Malaga in less than one hour for a day at the beach. In the sierra you can get a mansion for 400k euros.

Game wise its packed with students from October - June but dead in the summer apart from tourists visiting Alhambra etc. Also all the locals leave the city during summer to escape the hot weather.
I think it might be hard to get good quality unless you have a strong social circle, people are very nice but its like the rest of Spain where people get married with people they have known their whole life etc.

I could see creating your niche if you study there or are a Spanish teacher to foreigners.
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Data sheet: Granada, Spain

I like it Granada, but problem is that I am very shy, unconfident and I have a low self-esteem so it would be nice if someone who is more experienced that lives here could help me out a bit
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