[Rotisserie]

CNN: "Ending rape on campus"

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Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship.
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The relationship came to an end in February 2013. The next month, Espinosa filed a sexual harassment claim against her former boyfriend with her school, the University of Texas-Pan American, where some of the incidents occurred.

This report, front page on CNN, has several stories about women (and one gay dude who got a blowjob) that have apparently had problems getting their sexual harassment claims to stick. As disheartening as it is to have CNN blatantly take the side of these 'victims,' it's encouraging to see that most of the (up-voted) comments call BS.

[Suits]

"All sex is rape."

[The Beast1]

i betcha the police officer writing the report was like, "so you were together for 3 years and you didn't report it?"

This will get tossed out early.

[Beyond Borders]

(02-09-2014 09:34 AM)Rotisserie Wrote:  

As disheartening as it is to have CNN blatantly take the side of these 'victims,' it's encouraging to see that most of the (up-voted) comments call BS.

I feel like I'm seeing this a lot more lately. Are men (and even some women) waking up?

[Ziltoid]

(02-09-2014 09:36 AM)Suits Wrote:  

"All sex is rape."

No kidding.

How long until any woman you fuck under any circumstances gets to throw you in jail post bang or post breakup just because she feels like it?

Though I'm unaware of any prosecutions, these "my boyfriend raped me" stories are increasing in frequency.
This is getting so sick and unbelievable.
I'm just praying for a major economic collapse in the US.

[kosko]

Was this after or before her Womyn Studies classes?

[Glock]

Men in college who are American citizens are now receiving less due process than accused terrorists at Guantanamo Bay. In a Kafkaesque fashion, they can now be accused anonymously of a "rape" that involved no violence or threats, by an ex-girlfriend of three years, simply because she makes unascertainable and indescribable allegations of "coercion." Whether the crime even took place now depends entirely on how the female accusers says she feels three years after the fact.

Not only is the crime itself subjective and unascertainable, there is no due process for the accused. The accusations can be anonymous. In college disciplinary proceedings, he is not permitted to have a lawyer. Hearsay is permitted. There are no rules of evidence. An unqualified bureaucratic functionary whose only training is to believe "victims" is both the judge and jury. The entire system is set up to convict regardless of the evidence.

What is amazing about the CNN story is the unbelievable bias in the reporting. There's not even a pretense of even-handedness. The accuser is simply assumed to have been sexually assaulted, even though her own account makes it impossible that there was ever any criminal activity. He "coerced" her "psychologically and physically" without pinning her down or threatening her? She agreed to be in a relationship with him for three years? It is impossible to imagine how this could actually be a sexual assault.

This is absurd on its face. CNN's unwillingness even to entertain the thought that the man may be innocent is truly disturbing and shows what we are up against. The trumped up nature of these charges is evident from the story; these kinds of baseless, absurd charges are the product of social activist pressure and the accuser's own psychological problems:

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"I'm not sure I would've come forward if all these people hadn't done it before me," Espinosa said. "I needed the validation. I needed someone to confirm, 'You're right you're not blowing things out of proportion.

Indeed, the accuser's false allegations appear to be part of a coordinated campaign by activists:

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Students are taking matters into their own hands, filing complaints en masse and speaking out publicly.

Here's hoping that everyone will realize that these people are crying "wolf!" and that their credibility will be spent.

History is repeating itself. A daycare hysteria swept the U.S. in the 80s and early 90s. It followed the same general pattern as the Salem Witch Trials. A hysteria unfolds like this: a mass fear of something (witches, rape, child abuse by daycare providers) takes over, and people begin erring on the side of convicting now and asking questions later. The result: waves of false accusations and the destruction of the lives of the innocent, based on virtually no credible evidence. Here's one example of someone whose life was ruined based on facially absurd accusations.

If you want to read more about what is likely to come, based on similar past waves of hysteria, check out Dorothy Rabinowitz's, No Crueler Tyrannies: Accusations, False Witness And Other Terrors Our Times.

[Parlay44]

I keep saying it ...women have too much power these days. It's a seller's market.

[WestIndianArchie]

I'm so tempted to share this on FB.

I don't think I could troll my friends for long though.

WIA

[Rotisserie]

(02-09-2014 11:03 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I'm so tempted to share this on FB.

I don't think I could troll my friends for long though.

Unfortunately it's unlikely CNN is trolling us, but that was one of my first thoughts. Of all possible slightly more believable sexual harassment stories (even within the same article), they choose to present this crazy ex-girlfriend first? This writer could barely float a weaker pitch, too easy to slam out of the park.

[Last Parade]

So, going from top to bottom in the stories there, I see:

-Someone who files a complaint after 3 years of complaint-free relationship (also, who ended their relationship? I know where I'd place my bet...)
-Someone who suffers PTSD for an event they can't even remember if they were "drunk" (and if they remember it, then they had sufficient faculties at the time to stop it from happening)
-Guy receives a freebie blowjob from his partner. Um....?
-Girl reports the incident ludicrously long after it happened, literally zero evidence
-Professor at Occidental, 'nuff said

And lastly (Trigger Warning!!!)...



Honestly reads like an Onion article. Quality comments, thankfully. Would wager most of these folks have BPD, too.

[VincentVinturi]

America's done-for. So is the U.K. And probably so is most of Western Europe.

The degree to which feminism has managed to utterly destroy the women in these places (and by extension, many of the men) is simply chilling. Lenin, himself, couldn't have imagined a more perfect indoctrination.

I was musing today on something that I've learned about women. I've learned to never take a woman on as 'my project' and try to transform or change her. Sometimes if the girl is willing to learn certain things and open-mindedly grow with you, I may make an exception. Mostly in the bedroom.

But in general, what you see is what you get and there's no alchemy that's going to change a girl in short order into the woman she could be if she could only change her misguided beliefs.

Trying to battle feminism is basically taking millions of these broken women as our project. They're so convinced of what they think they know that to even create a suspicion in them that they've been lied to is an almost impossible task.

I don't know what the right answer is or what is the best way to reclaim a sane world in which men and women know their roles.

All I know is when I see one of these frumpy, loud, sloppy white girls here in Thailand with their haughty attitudes and entitlement that stinks so much you can smell it, I think Good God! How long before the virus infects the rest of the world and makes living on this Earth as a man into a waking nightmare??

I weep for the future but I'm grateful that at least We will get our kicks before the shithouse goes up in flames.

[Mekorig]

Jejejeje, i tough the same Last Parade. That IRT seems to be keeping a giant turd with that expression.

[Daddy]

This extreme mentality will only drive more people to ROK and RVF. The worst thing that could happen is feminists playing it cool and reasonable ; that would make their ideology tough to beat. But instead, with every demand answered for, they ask for more, and more and more. They're building a nation of pissed of men - and even women - who won't want anything to do with feminism and will have a penchant for the other extreme. Hell maybe one day we will be the ones considered fair and balanced, prescribing angry men to calm down.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-09-2014 10:34 AM)Glock Wrote:  

Men in college who are American citizens are now receiving less due process than accused terrorists at Guantanamo Bay. In a Kafkaesque fashion, they can now be accused anonymously of a "rape" that involved no violence or threats, by an ex-girlfriend of three years, simply because she makes unascertainable and indescribable allegations of "coercion." Whether the crime even took place now depends entirely on how the female accusers says she feels three years after the fact.

Not only is the crime itself subjective and unascertainable, there is no due process for the accused. The accusations can be anonymous. In college disciplinary proceedings, he is not permitted to have a lawyer. Hearsay is permitted. There are no rules of evidence. An unqualified bureaucratic functionary whose only training is to believe "victims" is both the judge and jury. The entire system is set up to convict regardless of the evidence.

What is amazing about the CNN story is the unbelievable bias in the reporting. There's not even a pretense of even-handedness. The accuser is simply assumed to have been sexually assaulted, even though her own account makes it impossible that there was ever any criminal activity. He "coerced" her "psychologically and physically" without pinning her down or threatening her? She agreed to be in a relationship with him for three years? It is impossible to imagine how this could actually be a sexual assault.

This is absurd on its face. CNN's unwillingness even to entertain the thought that the man may be innocent is truly disturbing and shows what we are up against. The trumped up nature of these charges is evident from the story; these kinds of baseless, absurd charges are the product of social activist pressure and the accuser's own psychological problems:

Quote:

"I'm not sure I would've come forward if all these people hadn't done it before me," Espinosa said. "I needed the validation. I needed someone to confirm, 'You're right you're not blowing things out of proportion.

Indeed, the accuser's false allegations appear to be part of a coordinated campaign by activists:

Quote:

Students are taking matters into their own hands, filing complaints en masse and speaking out publicly.

Here's hoping that everyone will realize that these people are crying "wolf!" and that their credibility will be spent.

History is repeating itself. A daycare hysteria swept the U.S. in the 80s and early 90s. It followed the same general pattern as the Salem Witch Trials. A hysteria unfolds like this: a mass fear of something (witches, rape, child abuse by daycare providers) takes over, and people begin erring on the side of convicting now and asking questions later. The result: waves of false accusations and the destruction of the lives of the innocent, based on virtually no credible evidence. Here's one example of someone whose life was ruined based on facially absurd accusations.

If you want to read more about what is likely to come, based on similar past waves of hysteria, check out Dorothy Rabinowitz's, No Crueler Tyrannies: Accusations, False Witness And Other Terrors Our Times.

GREAT POST.

Strongly second the "No Crueler Tyrannies" recommendation.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

This is a completely agenda-driven writer whose specialty is "gender." She's on Twitter, if anyone wants to try and communicate with her. It would be effective to compare this to the "daycare satanist" scares of the '80s. It's hysteria.

https://twitter.com/grinsli

It doesn't surprise me CNN ran this. It's deliberate -- a way to vastly expand the definition of sexual assault. And a way to "de-normalize" heterosexual relationships. This story is so ridiculously slanted I hope Newsbusters picks up on it. Glad to see the commenters did.

As for the writer, Emmanuella Grinberg, you can see what her agenda is here: stories on polyamory, "friends as bullies" and using vomiting to prevent rape. She also bills herself as a "digital storyteller," not a reporter, which is telling.

Pic of the writer:

[Tuthmosis]

As Rotisserie notes, the comments are heartening:

   

   

   

[The Lizard of Oz]

I'm going to sound like a broken record, but...

1. The current state of affairs does not mean that the US or Western Europe are "done for",
2. A few upvoted contrarian comments on an article do not mean that everyone is finally waking up, the tide is just about to turn and feminism is just about to collapse under the weight of its own lies.

The reality is that feminism is stronger than ever and is going from strength to strength in the places where it matters most, the media, legal, academic and political establishment. Things are going to get worse, maybe a lot worse, before they get better.

The reality is also that this does not mean that it's all over, decline now and forever, get your last kicks now, etc etc. The tide will turn eventually. It's a long game, no need to get too high or too low. Just keep fighting the good fight and don't forget to enjoy life along the way because for all the (real, and sinister) depredations of feminsm, in many many ways it's better than it's ever been.

[Beyond Borders]

(02-09-2014 09:53 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 09:36 AM)Suits Wrote:  

"All sex is rape."

No kidding.

How long until any woman you fuck under any circumstances gets to throw you in jail post bang or post breakup just because she feels like it?

Though I'm unaware of any prosecutions, these "my boyfriend raped me" stories are increasing in frequency.
This is getting so sick and unbelievable.
I'm just praying for a major economic collapse in the US.

I feel you, Brother; I feel you.

[MattW]

I saw a documentary a few years ago about high school debate teams and one thing that was kind of understood by everyone was that when the debate is about a topic related to world politics or conflict the trump card is global nuclear war. Whichever team connects the opposition's argument with nuclear war first wins the debate.

Seems to be happening with rape. Every woman-man conflict connects to it somehow.

[AnonymousBosch]

(02-09-2014 02:17 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The reality is also that this does not mean that it's all over, decline now and forever, get your last kicks now, etc etc. The tide will turn eventually. It's a long game, no need to get too high or too low. Just keep fighting the good fight and don't forget to enjoy life along the way because for all the (real, and sinister) depredations of feminsm, in many many ways it's better than it's ever been.

The pendulum always swings back and forth. My country spent a few years under the thumb of a female prime minister and a cabinet full of mushroom-haired lesbians, only to have women voters to reject her en-masse and vote in a traditional family man, who then gave every post in his cabinet bar one to men.

I see masculine blokes with hot girlfriends and wives / kids all the time, usually the tradesmen / working class types. I think it's the educated / white collar world that struggles with feminist cant.

That being said: aussie women are fat, aggressive slobs on the whole.