[Hencredible Casanova]

Just to be clear, I'm not vouching for JJ as a member, but just looking at the posts in question. I've exchanged PM's with JJ once I think. Looking at his posts objectively, I don't really see anything suspicious which I think I was able to prove clearly. His posts are rooted in fact which I have nothing but respect for.

Some other guys make claims in their posts arguing one group over another or this or that yet have no facts to support it. It may get "likes" or "rep points" but that doesn't make it true.

[K Galt]

I haven't drank a coke in well over 5 years. Scratch that, I had one last summer in Mexico....just because I could have one without the Monsanto GMO High Fructose Corn Syrup in it, and supposedly tastes like the old coke since Mexico only sells Coke with regular sugar.

I still didn't like the way it tasted, although I suppose it was a bit nostalgic. I used to drink Coke on a daily basis.

Oh, as for the commercial, didn't see it. I DVR'd the Superbowl, and only started watching it an hour and a half after kickoff, so I could fast forward all the commercials. But I did see all the reactions to it the day after...of course Scorpion has the right of it.

2wyked does too...Coke is just pandering to the SWPL demographic and a generation of people who as children, have all taken a ride on "It's a Small World" at Disneyland.

[WestCoast]

^ yes! Mexican coke is definitely the best! Only time I have coke it is in Mexico... That stupid glass bottle has a psychological impact as well. Pure bliss poppin that top off.

Guess I am not helping the all American cause lol!

[Slim Shady]

Coca Cola might be on the same level of troll as Borat.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I don't think it's the message of this commercial that's bugging people. It's the agenda-pushing by corporations.

Corporations are constantly shoving didactic political ideas down our throats as if they're The New High Priests and we're the parishioners. They used to do this indirectly. But now more and more ads are doing this and it’s patronizing and insulting.

Look, I'm an Italian-American so I'm pretty multi-cultural myself. USA Today reported in 2012 that one in ten couples are "inter-racial" and that doesn't count "inter-ethnic."

Most Americans have long since picked up the multi-cultural message, the gay acceptance message, the working woman one, etc. How about selling us the damn product and leaving the preaching behind for a change?

I don't think most Americans have articulated this in their minds, but I do know the quickest way to turn people off to something is to endlessly beat them over the heads with it -- especially when they're trying to relax.

Or as someone once put it:
"The media as watchdog is absolute shit
The TV telling you what to think."
-- The Jam, "Art School," 1977

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-05-2014 10:21 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I don't think it's the message of this commercial that's bugging people. It's the agenda-pushing by corporations.

Corporations are constantly shoving didactic political ideas down our throats as if they're The New High Priests and we're the parishioners. They used to do this indirectly. But now more and more ads are doing this and it’s patronizing and insulting.

Look, I'm an Italian-American so I'm pretty multi-cultural myself. USA Today reported in 2012 that one in ten couples are "inter-racial" and that doesn't count "inter-ethnic."

Most Americans have long since picked up the multi-cultural message, the gay acceptance message, the working woman one, etc. How about selling us the damn product and leaving the preaching behind for a change?

I don't think most Americans have articulated this in their minds, but I do know the quickest way to turn people off to something is to endlessly beat them over the heads with it -- especially when they're trying to relax.

Or as someone once put it:
"The media as watchdog is absolute shit
The TV telling you what to think."
-- The Jam, "Art School," 1977

Well said DoBA. Exactly.

I don't have any problem with other languages, ethnicities etc etc, I love them all. What I don't love is someone trying to teach me a fucking lesson about "diversity" or whatever else anywhere I turn. Fuck that.

And you're also right to say that this is what is really turning people off even if they can't articulate it. Americans are for the most past nice and tolerant people but this world of 24/7 propaganda is just too much, especially when someone is trying to kick back, get a few yucks from the commercials, and watch the Broncos get destroyed.

[HeyPete]

I miss beer commercials that showed boobs and butts.

[Alpharius]

(02-05-2014 10:40 PM)HeyPete Wrote:  

I miss beer commercials that showed boobs and butts.

There's always next year...

[Brosemite]

^^^ yeah even the godaddy.com commercial was rather tame this time around, eh?

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-05-2014 10:40 PM)HeyPete Wrote:  

I miss beer commercials that showed boobs and butts.

Not really boobs and butts but here's a f'ing sweet Bud Light commercial from maybe a year ago. "Friends Like This", lol:

[FourToTheFloor]

I think it's a huge jump to make the claim that a multi-lingual ad singing an American song is de facto making some kind of political statement.

The United States is not a monolithic ethnic or racial group. To simply recognize this fact does not signal white guilt.

[Sp5]

Yes, Coke is a global product and America is a global empire. No other country has divided up the entire world into military commands.

Some Americans also contend that the USA is the "universal nation" representing the "universal civilization." The people that say this are from both ends of the political spectrum, left and right. The idea is that the USA could be scoped out to rule the world in a federal system.

Even Star Trek's "United Federation of Planets" is a clear descendant of the USA, right down to the starship names being taken from the U.S. Navy.

Watching movies blockbusters overseas, I'm amazed how many are hard-core American propaganda. Go Hollywood!

This ad is an expression of that idea. Coke tries to hitch on to the USA's global "brand." Of course, that won't work well in some places, but I'm sure they've done the market research.

(02-05-2014 09:43 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Why are people outraged about this? They are basically helping coke go international by being angry and taking to social media.

Coke is just making a brilliant ad. The market is basically tapped for America. Hell if you blind taste people on coke versus Pepsi they all choose coke if you tell them in advance it is a coke vs. Pepsi challenge,

They have ownership of the brand in the USA people are brainwashed sheep for coke. Fuck I am even brainwashed for Coke over Pepsi already! (No I don't drink it anymore but if you told me to drink one I would say force feed me a coke then).

Branding done in the USA.

So what's next?

Well coke doesn't want to sell to just Americans they want to sell to the world. Let's see a few radical Americans hate the product but they gain acceptance of the international market... 6.7B market or 330M Americans?...

Lets do the math there. Also coke can be consumed by pretty much anyone in the world due to price point.

Was just a marketing tactic and a bright one at that. The angry people are making the video go viral, will go international annddd coke is winding up for the grandslammmmm

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Also lol @ one banning already on page one. Could go for 1 banning per page.

[Avon Barksdale]

^ Fun fact: Klingon is suppose to be Russia

[Brosemite]

^^ Exactly. I just perceived it as Coke trying to "brand" themselves as the global or universal drink, which to some extent is pretty cool. Others are more than welcome to feel offended by it, but it's essentially them losing sleep over something so trival while it's merely an afterthought to the majority out there. Almost like some idiot feminist on my FB complaining about how Axe Body Wash commercials are always so sexist. Who cares you dumb bitch.

Anyways, has anybody ever been to a Coke factory in the US where flavors and brands from all over the world can be sampled? Pretty good stuff.

[svenski7]

@Scorpion: Great post.

They banned a firearm commercial but allowed alcohol advertising. Alcohol-related fatalities > firearm fatalities.

Just stop watching television, people. It's amazing how much your life can improve if you cut that out.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-06-2014 12:43 AM)Brosemite Wrote:  

Anyways, has anybody ever been to a Coke factory in the US where flavors and brands from all over the world can be sampled? Pretty good stuff.

Yup. I went to the World of Coke in Atlanta when I was out there with my family one summer. I OD'd on all those free samples. It was pretty wild how you could taste all the different types of Coca-Cola they had in various countries, even Sub-Saharan Africa. Interesting how flat the taste is in the markets where carbonation is eschewed.

I got so sick from sampling all those types of coke that I gave it up for good immediately afterwards. I have a non-addictive personality so I can cut out something or adopt something at the drop of a dime.

Went through my whole teenage era without drinking the stuff. It wasn't until later on when a buddy of mine I used to workout with was drinking Diet Coke that I got on that bandwagon, only to cut that out as well.

Nothing beats H20 for me. Coco water is close second.

[Mage]

Coca cola is acidic poison full of sugar. It is useless and harmful for human beings and therefore needs to create bright and controversial advertisments to be bought.
Moral is simple - what is good for you isn't being advertized loudly. The more outrageous the advertizing the worse the product.
Stay clear from things advertized too much.

[scorpion]

(02-06-2014 12:00 AM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  

I think it's a huge jump to make the claim that a multi-lingual ad singing an American song is de facto making some kind of political statement.

The United States is not a monolithic ethnic or racial group. To simply recognize this fact does not signal white guilt.

Let me drop some facts from Wikipedia: (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic...ted_States and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_et...ted_States )

Quote:

White Americans (Anglo-Whites and white Hispanic and Latino Americans) are the racial majority, with a 72% share of the U.S. population, according to the 2010 U.S. Census. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 15% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to nearly 13% of the population. The Anglo-White or non-Hispanic White population, which includes also individuals from the Middle East and North Africa, make up 63% of the nation's total.

In 1900, when the U.S. population was 76 million, there were 66.8 million Whites in the United States, representing 88% of the total population,8.8 million African Americans, with about 90% of them still living in Southern states, and slightly more than 500,000 Hispanics.

Under the law, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the number of first-generation immigrants living in the United States has quadrupled, from 9.6 million in 1970 to about 38 million in 2007. During the 1950s, 250,000 legal immigrants entered the country annually; by the 1990s, the number was almost one million, and the vast majority of new immigrants have come from Latin America and Asia. In 2009, 37% of immigrants originated in Asia, 42% in the Americas, and 11% in Africa. Almost 97% of residents of the 10 largest American cities in 1900 were non-Hispanic whites. In 2006, non-Hispanic whites were the minority in thirty-five of the fifty largest cities. The Census Bureau reported that minorities accounted for 50.4% of the children born in the U.S. between July 2010 and July 2011, compared to 37% in 1990.

To sum it up: In 1900, Whites were about 90% of the U.S. population and blacks most of the other 10%. Today whites comprise only 63% of the population, and this statistic for some reason includes classifying Arabs and Middle Easterners as white. White Europeans are therefore most likely something between 55% and 60% of the population, while blacks stand at 13%. So over the past hundred years, the white European population of the U.S. has dropped from 90% to ~57% and the black population has grown from 10% to 13%. That gives us 30% of the population as immigrants which have no historic claim to the country, in contrast to the descendents of the White European settlers and the African slaves who comprised America's original population and who therefore are the rightful inheritors of their forefathers' land.

The question is, why should white European Americans and black Americans allow massive immigration into their historic homeland? Are there any countries in the world that are opening their borders to white and black Americans to immigrate en masse? Why are we allowing this to happen? Who is benefiting from this? Is it the citizens of the United States? How is this massive immigration a good deal for us?

It seems like a lot of people honestly either aren't aware of this information or have simply been so effectively propagandized that they would actually feel guilty to think there was something wrong with immigration. That's very clear just from reading the responses in this thread. I would encourage guys to take a more red pill look at immigration and be willing to cast off the propaganda and brainwashing you've been fed in the media and educational system your entire life (even through seemingly innocuous ads like this). There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to protect the historical culture, traditions and populations of your country, and anyone who says otherwise is simply anti-human and most likely has a racist and/or globalist agenda.

Should we flood China with a bunch of immigrants to displace the traditional Han Chinese population? Should we flood Mexico with immigrants to displace the Mexicans? Should we flood Russia with immigrants to displace the Russians? If not, why are we flooding the United States with immigrants who are displacing the traditional population of whites and blacks? It just doesn't fucking make sense, and is in no way advantageous to the historical population groups of the United States. It's honestly not about racism or hate, it's simply allowing for the existence of distinct countries and people. If you allow for massive immigration into a country, within a few generations the country will simply cease to exist as it once did. Why the fuck should the citizens of that country allow that to happen willingly? It's insanity. It's literally suicidal.

[Tex Pro]

@Scorpion the replacement already happened (see link below), so I don't know what you are arguing about. There are numerous times in history when a population replacement happened to a country (The Roman Empire was replaced with Germanic tribes). Talking endlessly about it at this point is a waste of time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/whi...d=all&_r=0

That said, this thread is so derailed that it has veered far off the original point. I am abandoning this thread.

[All or Nothing]

I am going to make some corrections to the point you are making:

(02-06-2014 01:41 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Today whites comprise only 63% of the population, and this statistic for some reason includes classifying Arabs and Middle Easterners as white.

Based on the Wikipedia article you quoted, whites account for 72% of the population not 63%. Hispanic is an ethnicity and not a race, so the Hispanics who view themselves as white are right because their ethnic origins are most likely from Spain, a mainland European country.

Arabs and Middle Easterners are Caucasian, otherwise known as white. This is why they are considered white by the census. They differ from mainland Europeans for cultural and religious reasons, not due to race.

Quote:

The question is, why should white European Americans and black Americans allow massive immigration into their historic homeland?

This is technically not the historic homeland of European Americans and black Americans. If anything it is the historic homeland of the indigenous people who were suspected to have migrated to the Americas 20,000 years ago across the Bering strait.

This is actually an ironic part of the point you are making, Europeans are technically the first immigrants who settled in the Americas around 500 years ago.

Quote:

It seems like a lot of people honestly either aren't aware of this information or have simply been so effectively propagandized that they would actually feel guilty to think there was something wrong with immigration.

Immigration is important to the economy of the United States. The reason why the United States allows high levels of immigration is that it stabilizes the size of the population of the country. If it was not for immigration, the population of the United States would begin to slowly decrease leading to a decreasing level of wealth in the country (you need to maintain a working population in order to maintain the same level of wealth or increase it). On top of this, the United States purposely imports the most technically skilled workers from around the world giving the country a technical edge over the rest of the world. Immigration is a win-win-win situation when it comes to maintaining and amassing money, wealth, and power for the elite in the United States.

I had a moment of outrage myself over this commercial because I felt that I was being marginalized by it. I thought about it later and that anger literally was just that, anger. All it did was make me feel bad and waste time.

Unless you have an effective alternative to immigration for maintaining the power structure and economy of the United States, getting outraged over things like this will be a fruitless endeavor.

[FourToTheFloor]

@Scorpion, the demographic argument could work if the United States had been around for longer than a few hundred years.

Furthermore, what you posted doesn't conflict with my assertion that America isn't an ethnic or racial group.

"White" is an ethnicity, but not a cohesive one. The unwanted immigration of the Irish comes to mind.


I don't necessarily disagree with your anti-immigration stance, but I do think its silly to claim the U.S. has an official racial identity.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Funny to see arguments calling for the "saving" of America vis-a-vis immigration on a forum created by a man who is a first-generation American of non-European heritage.

Think about that.

Also, the term "European-American" is simply unhelpful in describing who came to America and when. It masks the many ethnicities present in the few racial categories.

The largest reported ancestries of Americans of European descent is German-American, followed by Irish-American.

These weren't folks on the Mayflower and both of these groups came way after African-Americans, and even after some Mexicans and Chinese.

Rightful forebears of the country? People already in the US certainly didn't think so.







One of the largest mass lynchings in American history was that of 11 Italian-Americans down in New Orleans in 1891. Anti-Italian sentiment has a long history in the US, as with many other hyphenated Americans (from Europe or wherever).

The truth is the US has ALWAYS been a nation of immigrants. The only folks here from the outset were Native Americans. Irish-Americans came from where? Ireland. German-Americans? Germany. Goes on and on. Love it or leave it. Can always go back to where your forebears came from.

I don't see African-Americans clamoring to trade places with blacks in any previous point of history. Jim Crow, slavery, and Africa were all a pretty bad deal compared to the present, for most at least.

Just as Native Americans live on reservations under their own norms or what Mormons have done in Utah, there are plenty of communities where Americans can live among relatively likeminded people. If not, there's always taking the overseas route as Roosh has done. Get in where you fit in.

[Mon]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! People actually give a fuck enough about a multi-lingual Coke commercial to get worked up about it. DAMN!!!
"Blah, blah, bitch, whine, agenda."
"Blah, blah, bitch, whine, multi-culturalism."

It's all an agenda boys. EVEN THE BULLSHIT AGENDA THAT YOU FELL FOR THAT MAKES YOU THINK/FEEL/BELIEVE THE RIGID IDEAS THAT YOU FIND IN YOUR CHOSEN REALITY TUNNEL(S).
THE SHIT YOU'RE TALKING AGAINST THEIR AGENDA IS FUELED BY YOUR AGENDA. Of course, your agenda is the superior agenda... we know.
It was an agenda that made you think/feel/believe (brainwashed you) that by virtue of accidentally being born in a certain country, that the country and its bullshit songs are somehow "sacred" or some silly shit.

"Don't fall for their multiple-languages agenda. Fall for my one-language, keep-America-pure-and-English-speaking agenda. Bitch, moan; bitch moan. Let me brainwash you into my preferred brainwashing... which I don't recognize as brainwashing, since I believe it and thus it can't be brainwashing."

HAHAHAHA!!! Seems like bitchiness about bitchy-bitch shit for the sake of bitchin' about bitch shit... to me.

[germanico]

(02-06-2014 12:00 AM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  

I think it's a huge jump to make the claim that a multi-lingual ad singing an American song is de facto making some kind of political statement.

Dude, its Coca Cola. They fucking invented marketing. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. They created both the shit, and the shitstorm.

Its not a "political statement". It never is, its nothing personal, its just business. As usual.

[Snowplow]

I agree we are a country of immigrants, absolutely. I'm a 4th generation citizen.

But I'm with Scorpion on this, preserving traditions.
We have already seen schools try to pull "one nation under God" from the pledge. I'm not trying to start a religious debate with this, but the U.S. doesn't technically have a national language. English is the de facto language with 80% speaking it. I would hope coke did this as a thing to say America is made up of immigrants. If they did this to troll and be progressive then fuck em. I don't drink pop anyway.