[tmason]

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I'm a Junior in high school named Jewel. I made this petition because I'm a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positivie plus-size character in the media.

Studies show that a child's confidence correlates greatly with how much representation they have in the media. It's extremely difficult to find a positive representation of plus-size females in the media. If Disney could make a plus-size female protagonist who was as bright, amazing, and memorable as their others, it would do a world of good for those plus-size girls out there who are bombarded with images that make them feel ugly for not fitting the skinny standard.

Disney films are highly influential and wide-spread, and they impact the lives of many children, especially girls. It would be revolutionary for Disney to show support to a group of girls who are otherwise horrendously bullied by the media. It would make many young girls feel confident and worthy to see a strong character that looks like them. This move on Disney's part would have an amazing positive ripple effect in people all around the world.

[tmason]

Prediction: Disney starts making all sorts of shit movies to accommodate the leftards and then they will slowly start losing millions in the theaters as people move away from Hollywood.

[commiejoe]

Recommendation: Do it. Shit's already rolling downhill, so let's light it on fire on the way.

edit; Ha! it's a petition, time to agree and amplify the fuck out of it.

"I support this because the children of this generation are starting to work out too much. We need to increase their BMI's in order to fund the future plastic surgeons and cardiovascular health industry. Prices of carvedilol and warfarin are decreasing, because the heavier patients are dying too fast, decreasing the demand of the supply."

or some shit like that.

[deathtofatties]

Ignore them. Don't sign the petition. Disney knows that a plus sized princess, even in a country where the majority of women are fat, won't sell that well..

[nek]

The prince, however, will have to look something like this...

[2Wycked]

Procrastinating not writing my ROK post.

This jumped out at me:

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Studies show that a child's confidence correlates greatly with how much representation they have in the media.

No, this isn't true. What is true is that female confidence is directly correlated to having women -- who they see themselves as -- represented in media.

I went to the Shine article.

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If Disney could make a plus-size female protagonist who was as bright, amazing, and memorable as their others, it would do a world of good for those plus-size girls out there who are bombarded with images that make them feel ugly for not fitting the skinny standard,

Ah, so it's not just about unhealthy women in media. It's unhealthy women who are just straight-up fabulous and awesome. Quite unlike the female OP.

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I know the characters are just cartoons but they give girls their first impressions of real-life women.

Really? Girls don't have mothers, sisters, aunts or friends? The first impressions of other women come from media. WTF?

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If plus-size girls see characters that look like them succeed, it would show them that they can do anything

If you need aspirational symbols in media to do whatever you want, you have much bigger issues than not enough fat hogs snarking all the time. She's white, female and probably is upper middle-class. Just like little Lindy West, being fat is all she can bitch about so she will go to the ends of the Earth to prove that she really has it bad but you can help cure it by making cutesy cartoon fatties that are totes awesome. Shoot me.

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"I’ve had a few people tell me that I should redirect my efforts to help women not look toward the media to gain their self-confidence," she says. "I wish women wouldn’t listen to the media, but that’s inevitable. If we can’t change people, we can at least start with animated characters."

So she admits that she can't personally change, but we should start changing characters in media so she can get fat on her structurally distressed couch and gob down KFC Go-cups.

Also, note the first quote is folded under "backlash." She blows this important realization off as "backlash" and misses an important point. Turn off the fucking TV if you want your kids to be healthier.

"OMG TV plugs soooo many uber-nasty stereotypes of women that hurt their self-esteem, image and health!!!"

"Well, then turn it off."

"OMG you fat-shamer how dare you tell us what we can and cannot watch! Put me -- excuse me -- other plus-sized (UGH, can we get rid of that phrase for like forever??) women so girls get to see how awesome and important we really are!

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I want little boys to see plus-size Disney princesses," says Jewel, "so they don’t grow up and think women they date have to look perfect."

Yeah, the only reason men value women not just for their looks, but what looks are attractive is because of media.Way to reveal what you want - altered standards that conform to your reality and still have all the boys you want to fuck -- never a question of where women get their standards, huh?

And for the last time, we don't require women to be perfect, unlike the standards women have for men.

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Smart girl!

Dumbass.

Comments look promising, though.

[tmason]

(02-01-2014 03:07 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

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I want little boys to see plus-size Disney princesses," says Jewel, "so they don’t grow up and think women they date have to look perfect."

Yeah, the only reason men value women not just for their looks, but what looks are attractive is because of media.Way to reveal what you want - altered standards that conform to your reality and still have all the boys you want to fuck -- never a question of where women get their standards, huh?

Just to add; porn has a greater impact that cartoon princesses on what boys expect women to look like.

Just another fattie who can't stand the fact that men like slim women.

"Maybe if we brainwash everyone I won't need to lose weight!!!!"

[2Wycked]

(02-01-2014 03:20 AM)tmason Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 03:07 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

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I want little boys to see plus-size Disney princesses," says Jewel, "so they don’t grow up and think women they date have to look perfect."

Yeah, the only reason men value women not just for their looks, but what looks are attractive is because of media.Way to reveal what you want - altered standards that conform to your reality and still have all the boys you want to fuck -- never a question of where women get their standards, huh?

Just to add; porn has a greater impact that cartoon princesses on what boys expect women to look like.

Just another fattie who can't stand the fact that men like slim women.

"Maybe if we brainwash everyone I won't need to lose weight!!!!"

Very, very true.

[Screwston]

I wonder how little minority girls feel since their confidence relies on how much representation they get in Disney movies. You know, since 99% of the characters are white. Fatty should eat bread and water for a few weeks while jogging to lose the weight and then help out her fellow girls who have no way of changing.

[HeyPete]

Go ahead make a fat one. And have her shit herself when she gets excited. And have the prince make fart noises when she bends over etc. etc.

Now, that I would see. But a fat fairy princess, who gets the prince? fuck that.

You know, Jewel, the girl starting this petition isn't horrible. If she just ate right, even with limited exercise, she would be able to forget all about this plus-size bullshit by the beginning of her senior year.

[RawGod]

(02-01-2014 04:02 AM)HeyPete Wrote:  

You know, Jewel, the girl starting this petition isn't horrible. If she just ate right, even with limited exercise, she would be able to forget all about this plus-size bullshit by the beginning of her senior year.

That's the sad thing. Once a girl like her starts to identify as a fatty and get social reinforcement like she's getting right now, she'll stay that way for life and drag others down with her.

[caracal]

If they did this, I can imagine the conversations between fathers and daughters everywhere:

Daughter: "Daddy, I want to grow up to be just like Princess Fatty Fat Fat in The Fatty Bride. How can I look more like her?"

Father: "Well, we could go to McDonalds, but you know it's not healthy to look like a tub of lard. Obesity is directly linked to heart disease, diabetes etc etc"

Daughter: "But I want to look like Princess Fatty Fat Fat!"

Worst case scenario father eventually relents and takes her to McDonalds... 30 years later daughter sues Disney for her medical conditions, claiming Disney made it aspirational to be fat.

[Ocelot]

(02-01-2014 03:07 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

Procrastinating not writing my ROK post.

This jumped out at me:

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Studies show that a child's confidence correlates greatly with how much representation they have in the media.

No, this isn't true. What is true is that female confidence is directly correlated to having women -- who they see themselves as -- represented in media.

I disagree. This is a clear cause and effect fallacy, which means there's no need for your counter-assertion. The media primarily represents mentally and physically healthy people. Who the fuck is going to write a story with a morbidly obese, selfish child with no resilience and no friends as the hero? A child's confidence correlates with their mental, physical and social health. Likewise, media representation also correlates with these things. However, there's no causality between the two. Hell, if they're deriving their self-identity from the media, they're already unhealthy.

Furthermore, even if their argument were true, that leaves you in the following position:

• A child's confidence is proportional to their representation in the media.
• Obese children are under-represented in the media.
• It is in our interests for children to be confident.
  

Therefore...

a) Disney should make more fat princesses so that our special little snowflakes can feel confident while prepare themselves for the short journey to death at 40.

or...

b) Fat children should lose the fucking weight because it's disgusting and unhealthy, and their parents should be charged with child abuse.

or even...

c) Let them eat cake.

[WanderingSoul]

Why don't they make a Disney movie with a female protagonist who exercises and eats a healthy diet so she isn't obese by the end of her teenage years, and dead at the end of her fifties?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(02-01-2014 03:07 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

Procrastinating not writing my ROK post.
....

You should make that your RoK post. It strikes just where it should.

[Doctor]

I think they should do it. Animated fat people look hilarious and the plot line of some sweaty "plus size" chick who sits on the couch all day out of breathe would be amazing. Plus, Disney made that cat movie (or was it just a cat in Shrek?) so the potential for 10-20 amazing cat characters would be out of this world. Best. Movie. Ever.

[CRR]

Narcissism at it's worst. Me, me, me…the media has to represent me.

I never needed a positive media role model. I enjoy movies/television/sports just as much as the next person, but it's just entertainment.

Besides, I remember the good old days when plus-size wasn't a word.

[lurker]

1. Disney should make a movie about a fabulous fat princess who doesn't really have friends or a man, and then travels to the magical kingdom of Gymnasia and trains with some far-off guru who teaches her how to squat and put the cupcakes down until she's fit and captures the attention of the Prince.

2. I'm sick of this retard causality assertion that the media, or even porn, shape male sexual desires. Is it really plausible that a couple decades or even centuries of social conditioning could outdo untold millennia of biological evolution? The media shows females with standard markers of beauty because that's what men are attracted to, not because it can actually delineate what's attractive. It reflects what we already consider valuable. How well do you think an ad touting fossilized dogshit as an investment vehicle will go over?

[Parlay44]

How much lower can we drop the bar? For real.

[Nonpareil]

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

lurker Wrote:

2. I'm sick of this retard causality assertion that the media, or even porn

I think porn can have a small influence in cases of extreme usage. But it is important to note that this happens only through overloading the natural preferences and dopamine triggers to the point of desensitization to them, so it actually confirms what you said. There's no such thing as "shaping male sexual desires", and these people are pseudoscience-peddling fools to claim otherwise.

[Last Parade]

Junior in high school... she's 16 years old???

jesus christ, nothing ages a girl like being fat. Show her picture to random people and get them to guess her age, I don't see anybody going below 20.

[CRR]

(02-01-2014 02:13 PM)lurker Wrote:  

1. Disney should make a movie about a fabulous fat princess who doesn't really have friends or a man, and then travels to the magical kingdom of Gymnasia and trains with some far-off guru who teaches her how to squat and put the cupcakes down until she's fit and captures the attention of the Prince.

2. I'm sick of this retard causality assertion that the media, or even porn, shape male sexual desires. Is it really plausible that a couple decades or even centuries of social conditioning could outdo untold millennia of biological evolution? The media shows females with standard markers of beauty because that's what men are attracted to, not because it can actually delineate what's attractive. It reflects what we already consider valuable. How well do you think an ad touting fossilized dogshit as an investment vehicle will go over?

I especially agree with #2, so well stated.

That's the overarching goal of feminists, to change sexual selection to their benefit. To shame society (especially men) into thinking that any man with a physical preference is a misogynist.

The reverse of course, isn't true. Behind every story of a fat/unattractive woman complaining about how men suck and none of them like "real" women, it's really about how desirable/fit men don't want anything to do with them and they are extremely bitter about it. They think they should have their choice of any man and in turn curse men for not overlooking their flaws.

What's concerning is that even some attractive women I know buy into this nonsense, probably because at some point or another practically every woman has felt unattractive so they feel like they can relate.

[Excelsior]

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Studies show that a child's confidence correlates greatly with how much representation they have in the media.

I don't see any black princes in Disney movies. Not ONE. How do you think that makes me "feel"?



Get the fuck over it.

She's 16, so I'll just give her the benefit of the doubt for now and assume that this is mere youthful misguidance and not innate stupidity.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

This looks like an awful development. But I'd appreciate it now. Because the transgender princess is just around the corner.

It's not enough to try and re-engineer the biology of boys to get them to want fat chicks. They'll need to have to learn to appreciate a woman who can pop a good, sturdy erection too, unless they're BIGOTS!!

(I know you all think I'm exaggerating, but this is a trend I see in Young Adult novels. And where YA goes, the rest of tween culture follows.)