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I'm cutting right now so I get 80% of it from protein powder. I want to avoid the accompanying fats/carbs in whole foods and I otherwise can't be bothered to cook. The taste sucks but I can manage.
80% of your food is protein shake? Because you're "cutting"? Fats and carbs are both useful in dieting. If all you're doing is drinking shakes and eating chicken, you're doing it wrong.
80% of my protein intake is from protein powder.
but tell me, how are fats and carbs both useful in dieting, and how is it that "If all you're doing is drinking shakes and eating chicken, you're doing it wrong"?
First off, what Kosko said.
Secondly, are you challenging me because I called you out in a slightly rude manner and you think I'm trolling? Or are you challenging me because I think your protein only diet is wrong and you want to defend it?
Basic reasons why I am anti protein only. A good diet is about macro manipulation rather than removal and an emphasis on maintaining muscle mass. On top of what kosko said, if you immediately remove all carbs/fats from your diet you have no more cards to play to get through plateaus, don't use insulin to your advantage, and have 0 glycogen storage to fuel your workouts. If you kept them in and slowly cut some out as your diet progressed, you A) retain more muscle and B) get through plateaus easier.
There's a few of my reasons. Care to defend your stance on protein only with 80% of protein intake coming from shakes?
Try it for yourself. Add some fats (coconut oil, grass fed butter, MCT oil as you can easily put that in your shakes) in your diet and see if you don't feel better. If you've been on protein only for more than a week or two, have a high carb day (low fat if you get crazy and try this) and see you don't feel and look better the following few days.
Can anyone say, with a straight face, that a protein shake (fats and whatnot aside) is the equivalent to eating a steak?
Real food is basically always better than powders. The only time I think powders are better is pre, peri, and possibly post workout as food possibly interfere with training. As a general rule, I try to avoid going above 50% protein from shakes. There are also days when I go probably below 15% of my protein from shakes. I can honestly say that I don't know anyone that got jacked drinking mostly shakes. Anybody want to run an experiment and drink only shakes for a month and then eat only food for a month and compare? I don't, but there are a reason they are called supplements.
My protein sources (ranging from 1-~2.5lbs of meat a day depending on the day) are, in order of frequency, ground beef, eggs, chicken, steak, pork, seafood (with whatever is on sale that week taking some priority). I have canned wild salmon every once and a while, I'm not a huge fan of tuna, fresh wild salmon is $10+/lbs so kind of expensive, and I don't really do most dairy. I have shrimp every once in a while, but it is more of a pain in the ass to de-shell sort of thing.
well again you are misinterpreting me. i didn't say i ate a protein only diet. i get carbs and fats from grains, fruits, dairy, eggs. however i choose to rely heavily on protein powder for my cut because i don't want MORE carbs and fats than the amounts i'm already getting from the former sources.
the bit about carbs fueling workouts is true. that's what refeeds are for.
fats can be significantly reduced on a cut however. you're in a catabolic state anyway so the hormonal benefits are diminished or inapplicable. bring your fats back up once your cut is over.
i disagree on the protein powder vs. real foods thing. macronutrient-wise there is no difference. if you want to go in depth, then whey protein is in fact better than the protein in various meats - its amino acid profile is unparalleled. the main difference is taste and psychological satisfaction, and that's a personal choice.