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Your Hillary 2016 Survival Plan
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Your Hillary 2016 Survival Plan

I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She was a phenomenonal Secretary of State considering the challenges she faced, not the least of which were Wikileaks fallout and the foreign reputation of the USA under Obama's predecessor.

She's a smart woman, very worthy of high office, and I can't find fault with her achievements or qualifications.

Then again, I suppose it was beta of her to stay with Bill when he cheated.....right guys?

Guys?
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Quote: (01-18-2014 04:05 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

They are far more respected, liked, and well-known than their Republican counterparts by the international public. Not even a matter of debate. Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about US perception in foreign countries understands this. There's even polling done on this. Obama was the overwhelming choice in most countries during both his elections. Bill Clinton gets mobbed wherever he goes when he travels abroad. When I was in Brazil during Obama's first election victory, you would have thought he was running for office down there. JFK was an international celebrity and is still remembered by many.

To be fair, foreign - that is - European disdain of American Presidents really should be considered a badge of honor. Using it as a positive measure for Presidential record is really questionable. As far as Latin America is concerned, Mercosur countries prefer Dems and left-wing ideologies, Alianco del Pacifico was more of a Bush fan. El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Colombia, Panama.. all these places are far more pro-US.

European, Argentine and Brazilian elites are generally off their rocker and way crazier than many of the most ardent American progressives.

A year from now you'll wish you started today
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#53

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I've always fantasized about being a PAY PIG to an old dyke... so I can't wait for 2016!!

same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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#54

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Quote: (01-18-2014 08:51 AM)polymath Wrote:  

I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She was a phenomenonal Secretary of State considering the challenges she faced, not the least of which were Wikileaks fallout and the foreign reputation of the USA under Obama's predecessor.

Name three accomplishments she had as Secretary of State.

Quote: (01-18-2014 08:51 AM)polymath Wrote:  

She's a smart woman, very worthy of high office, and I can't find fault with her achievements or qualifications.

Uh-huh. "Smart" with promoting herself, getting elected and staying relevant using any attacks against her as "proof" of misogyny; thus becoming immune to them.

She was First Lady. Name three things she was notable for then.

She then became a US Senator. What bills or initiatives did she champion?

She then ran for President. How did she run? As a person with new ideas or a vision? Or the "inevitable" candidate, as she will be running this time around?

Quote: (01-18-2014 08:51 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Then again, I suppose it was beta of her to stay with Bill when he cheated.....right guys?

Guys?

She stayed with Bill for the power. Dumbass.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 09:11 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

To be fair, foreign - that is - European disdain of American Presidents really should be considered a badge of honor. Using it as a positive measure for Presidential record is really questionable. As far as Latin America is concerned, Mercosur countries prefer Dems and left-wing ideologies, Alianco del Pacifico was more of a Bush fan. El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Colombia, Panama.. all these places are far more pro-US.

European, Argentine and Brazilian elites are generally off their rocker and way crazier than many of the most ardent American progressives.

It's not just Europe and Latin America, Asia too.


What's funny is that Romney's best showing in a poll of 22 countries was Kenya, the country of Obama's father.

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France preferred Obama the most.

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2008 was the same story.

I can speak just from traveling that during the Bush era saying you were from the US invited a lot of annoying discussions about wars and the economy. I saw countless posters casting him in a bad light all throughout the world.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 04:05 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2014 02:45 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2014 08:02 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones. You can go back to the beginning of the last century and make the comparisons. Not even close. FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama. Those men have all been treated like rockstars overseas.

That is some seriously spaced-out historical revisionism.

JFK's weakness, especially in regard to the Bay of Pigs, prompted the Cuban Missile Crisis and brought the nation to the brink of nuclear war.

Carter's weakness prompted the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan on its march towards a warm water port.

Obama has garnered nothing but contempt from the likes of Putin and all the belligerent leaders of the Middle East nations.

Clinton was probably the most competent of the four, but continually involved the U.S. in military conflicts where we it no vital national interests (Haiti, Somalia, Serbia, etc.) Then he refused a request by our military commanders to provide armored vehicles to the troops in Somalia. Anyone who has watched "Black Hawk Down" knows how that turned out.

Ronald Reagan was more respected by our friends and feared by our enemies than JFK, Carter, Clinton, and Obama combined.

Funny to see you having debates with yourself armchair. Where did I even mention Carter btw? F-D-R.

Not sure why you went on a worthless and irrelevant rant about foreign policy matters when I was talking about the popularity of Dem Presidents overseas. They are far more respected, liked, and well-known than their Republican counterparts by the international public. Not even a matter of debate. Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about US perception in foreign countries understands this. There's even polling done on this. Obama was the overwhelming choice in most countries during both his elections. Bill Clinton gets mobbed wherever he goes when he travels abroad. When I was in Brazil during Obama's first election victory, you would have thought he was running for office down there. JFK was an international celebrity and is still remembered by many.

Have fun debating yourself.

Thank you or making my point, which was that your point was geo-politically irrelevant -- and, in fact, harmful to the nation.

As demonstrated time-after-time on the world stage, having a president that is liked by foreign powers is a dangerous hindrance. As I noted in my prior post by providing actual examples, those types of presidents always draw aggression from our enemies.

The U.S. needs a president who is not liked, but respected -- and, if necessary, feared.

Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about U.S. perception in foreign countries understands this fact. There are entire regions of the world (Russia, China, Middle East, etc.) where weakness is viewed as an invitation to aggression.

Yes, Obama is liked by the ignorant masses the world over. He is also viewed as a politically naive weakling by most world leaders. In other words, by the people who really count on the world stage.

Any high-level manager knows that he must be respected (not liked) in any optimally performing organization. This is basic human nature.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 02:03 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

What's funny is that Romney's best showing in a poll of 22 countries was Kenya, the country of Obama's father.

A friend of mine was visiting Kenya around the time of the first election. He said a lot of Kenyans don't like Obama. Not because of his politics, but because of the ethnic group his father comes from. So that might explain the numbers.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 08:51 AM)polymath Wrote:  

I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She was a phenomenonal Secretary of State considering the challenges she faced, not the least of which were Wikileaks fallout and the foreign reputation of the USA under Obama's predecessor.

She's a smart woman, very worthy of high office, and I can't find fault with her achievements or qualifications.

Then again, I suppose it was beta of her to stay with Bill when he cheated.....right guys?

Guys?

She is a hardcore feminist who would push for an extension of the anti-male laws that attack fake alphas (real alphas have millions and run things) and the betas.

She is a red pill male nightmare.
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#59

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As far as I can tell, her biggest achievement was marrying a talented man and riding his coattails.

Take care of those titties for me.
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#60

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She's not gonna run. Bill is to old and not in great condition.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 03:58 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

She's not gonna run. Bill is to old and not in great condition.

I wish that were true. She will run. It has nothing to do with Bill.

If it were not for Hillary, I doubt that Bill would have run for Governor or been President.

Hillary is far more alpha that Bill. [Image: tongue.gif]

And far more vicious.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 02:16 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Thank you or making my point, which was that your point was geo-politically irrelevant -- and, in fact, harmful to the nation.

I'm just stating the facts and citing support for them with the studies that I refer to. Your opinions are groundless and irrelevant to the fact that people in virtually every country in the world find Democratic Party presidents more popular. That was my point. I never mentioned anything about geopolitics (moving goal posts).

Sure, the fact that US Dem Presidents are more popular in virtually every country in the world - not only world powers - is harmful to the nation's security. However you rationalize reality is up to you armchair. Carter means F-D-R as well.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 04:04 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2014 03:58 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

She's not gonna run. Bill is to old and not in great condition.

I wish that were true. She will run. It has nothing to do with Bill.

If it were not for Hillary, I doubt that Bill would have run for Governor or been President.

Hillary is far more alpha that Bill. [Image: tongue.gif]

And far more vicious.

Exactly. She is the gas in Bill's engine. And let us not forget as first lady she tried to ram through severely anti-male social healthcare.

She will run, and I think she will win easily, and she will target the middle class men with the type of fury that will be frightening, especially after 8 years of Obama targeting middle class men.
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#64

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If Hillary gave Obama one of her balls, they'd both have two:





Take care of those titties for me.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 02:03 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

What's funny is that Romney's best showing in a poll of 22 countries was Kenya, the country of Obama's father.

[Image: _63592043_worldservicepoll_464_romney_em...102012.gif]

Some relevant factors I know of are:

  1. Obama spurning Kenya when he visited Africa a couple years ago and opting not to visit his Dad's village. I don't believe he has even been there during his presidency
  2. The Kenyan government giving a big 'fuck you' to the ICC and voting to withdraw from the ICC when they attempted to try President Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto for crimes against humanity following the 2007 elections. Many African leaders actually have spoken out against the ICC as view it to be a tool of bigger nations like the US and Britain to exert control over geopolitical matters in the region. This caused a row between the Obama administration and the Kenyan gov't.
    There does seem to be a bias against African leaders, since they make up an overwhelming amount of their cases
  3. His support for gay marriage
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Quote: (01-18-2014 05:22 PM)iWin Wrote:  

There does seem to be a bias against African leaders, since they make up an overwhelming amount of their cases

Definitely. One of my favorite moments about this topic was when CNN's Cristianne Amanpour interviewed Robert Mugabe and asked this question.

Amanpour: Mr. President, don't you think 89 years old would have been a great time to rest and retire?

Mugabe: Have you ever asked Queen Elizabeth this question or is it just for African leaders?

LOL.

It's all neo-colonialist bullshit. Mugabe was a hero of the west until he implemented that fast-track land reform to address lingering racial inequities from racist policies during the colonial era, returning the land back to black Zimbabweans. Ever since then they've been talking about "regime change."

I also don't get why any government gives a fuck about gay rights in African countries.

Do you see African countries refusing to cooperate with the US because of the 2 million+ babies killed every year due to abortion (which is illegal in most of the world)?

Of course not. People need to respect the sovereignty of other nations and work with them on an equal basis (i.e. China's model). So much hypocrisy in the petty little world of international relations. Repression in Saudi Arabia? No problem. They serve our narrow business interests. Ridiculous.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 04:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2014 02:16 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Thank you or making my point, which was that your point was geo-politically irrelevant -- and, in fact, harmful to the nation.

I'm just stating the facts and citing support for them with the studies that I refer to. Your opinions are groundless and irrelevant to the fact that people in virtually every country in the world find Democratic Party presidents more popular. That was my point. I never mentioned anything about geopolitics (moving goal posts).

I am sure that is true in your own mind. But that is not reality. Your own words, from your original post:

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On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones.

As I proved by example, most Democratic presidents are not respected internationally. Their weakness has historically caused aggression, weakness, and war.

So, I addressed your original claim about respect. In return, you have done nothing but call me names and obscure your original claim -- instead of supporting your original point with reasoned analysis. Such hamster activity is the surest sign of who lost the debate.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 05:40 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

I am sure that is true in your own mind. But that is not reality. Your own words, from your original post:

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On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones.

As I proved by example, most Democratic presidents are not respected internationally. Their weakness has historically caused aggression, weakness, and war.

So, I addressed your original claim about respect.

Keep debating with yourself. There is no debate here since the facts I've demonstrated are above dispute. I guess you misunderstood what respect means, which is no surprise considering you addressed F-D-R as Carter and randomly addressed foreign policy when the post had nothing to do with that (talk about living in one's head).

I've actually cited links while you have not shown any support for your claims. Just nonstop babble with no support. Then moving goal posts as I dismantle each of your bogus allegations.

Perhaps you don't know what the term "respect" even means, but as the polls show, Democratic Presidents are infinitely more popular, liked and respected by the majority of people around the world. The empirical research has made that abundantly clear.

Keep not citing evidence that doesn't exist and enjoy the debate you're having with yourself.

Cheers.
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I bet you an 18 pack she doesn't run.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 05:38 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Of course not. People need to respect the sovereignty of other nations and work with them on an equal basis (i.e. China's model). So much hypocrisy in the petty little world of international relations. Repression in Saudi Arabia? No problem. They serve our narrow business interests. Ridiculous.

Some SWPLs on my FB wall were complaining about Russia having the Olympics in light of the gay laws there. Some going so far as to say we should boycott the Olympics. I had to remind them that the Gulf states have FAR worse laws regarding homosexual behavior but nobody ever talks about boycotting gasoline. So we need to stop the phoney outrage.
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I don't buy into all the doom and gloom paranoia. Anyone that's seriously going to leave the country soley because Hillary wins needs their head examined. You guys sound worse than the liberals claiming they were all running off to Canada if Bush won(of course they never actually did). Like Obama, in all likelihood she will govern as a moderate Republican. When exactly was the the last time we had a truly left-wing president in office that actually governed as one?

Your local politics are far more important when it comes to the direct impact on your life. The only thing Obama has done that has had a direct and measurable impact on my life was lower my healthcare insurance by about $30 through the the healthcare.gov site.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 05:47 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2014 05:40 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

I am sure that is true in your own mind. But that is not reality. Your own words, from your original post:

Quote:Quote:

On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones.

As I proved by example, most Democratic presidents are not respected internationally. Their weakness has historically caused aggression, weakness, and war.

So, I addressed your original claim about respect.

Keep debating with yourself. There is no debate here since the facts I've demonstrated are above dispute. I guess you misunderstood what respect means, which is no surprise considering you addressed F-D-R as Carter and randomly addressed foreign policy when the post had nothing to do with that (talk about living in one's head).

Your original post had nothing to do with "respect" in regard to foreign policy?

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Presidents are more important for the macro domestic challenges and for international leadership. On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones.

Having confirmed that you are a sociopath, I'll just move on.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 06:01 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I don't buy into all the doom and gloom paranoia. Anyone that's seriously going to leave the country soley because Hillary wins needs their head examined. You guys sound worse than the liberals claiming they were all running off to Canada if Bush won(of course they never actually did). Like Obama, in all likelihood she will govern as a moderate Republican. When exactly was the the last time we had a truly left-wing president in office that actually governed as one?

Your local politics are far more important when it comes to the direct impact on your life. The only thing Obama has done that has had a direct and measurable impact on my life was lower my healthcare insurance by about $30 through the the healthcare.gov site.

The Republicans are left of center as well. Obama, whether he has governed like a "Republican" or "Democrat" is not worth of debate. Both are leftists who attack middle class men. Obamacare is a HUGE shot at middle class men, stealing money from their pockets to give to women, wealthy insurance CEO's, and the elderly.

I plan to get out of the USA after the disaster Bush and Obama have left this country. As a man I am a 2nd class citizen here, and it is expensive with less and less opportunity. Hillary would not be a sole reason for me to leave, that has already been set. Hillary worries me into thinking I will be trapped here economically.
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Who gives a flying fuck about how other countries see us? As the lesbo that this thread is about says. "What does it matter anyway?" Besides, Tailgunner, you are projecting your own view on the rest of the world. Yes, your log-in shows you are a fellow 'Murican.

You are projecting a totally Beta view of how American foreign policy should be conducted. If we had an Alpha running the show and running foreign policy like they run game (i.e., Putin), this whole "far more respected" bullshit would be put to rest. We have not had an Alpha running foreign policy in a long, long time.

Stop the flow of foreign aid, stop the endless foreign wars, get us out of the Middle East entanglements and stop destroying our industrial base with stupid treaties. Is that so fucking hard?

Bill-ary ain't doing any of those things.
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Quote: (01-18-2014 05:38 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2014 05:22 PM)iWin Wrote:  

There does seem to be a bias against African leaders, since they make up an overwhelming amount of their cases

Definitely. One of my favorite moments about this topic was when CNN's Cristianne Amanpour interviewed Robert Mugabe and asked this question.

Amanpour: Mr. President, don't you think 89 years old would have been a great time to rest and retire?

Mugabe: Have you ever asked Queen Elizabeth this question or is it just for African leaders?

LOL.

It's all neo-colonialist bullshit. Mugabe was a hero of the west until he implemented that fast-track land reform to address lingering racial inequities from racist policies during the colonial era, returning the land back to black Zimbabweans. Ever since then they've been talking about "regime change."

Great points all around. I don't want derail this thread but also check out this article about the US admitting to using ILLEGAL sanctions on the Zimbabwean economy. Many wrongly attribute the the land distribution reform as an excuse to justify why Mugabe must go, but there is indeed more than meets the eye when discussing the Zim economy. Particularly, not allowing Zimbabwe to trade diamonds freely which happens to be one of their most important exports and a large chunk of their GDP. These sanctions also exist in several sectors of the Zim gov't and largely explain why that economy has struggled. As you probably noticed,these facts are never included in the typical narrative as it pertains to Mugabe. As a result, the average citizen has been completely devastated.

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THE United States government has, for the first time, admitted that the illegal sanctions it imposed on Zimbabwe were hurting ordinary people and the economy.

Incoming US Ambassador to Zimbabwe Mr David Bruce Wharton made the admission yesterday at a media roundtable discussion in

Harare and pledged to work with authorities in Zimbabwe and the US to normalise relations.

The admission comes after the World Diamond Council said it was also engaging the US government and the European Union to lift sanctions they imposed on Marange diamonds, despite Zimbabwe having received the Kimberly Process Certification Scheme nod to export the gems.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201211170029.html
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