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#1

Online poker and travel, ask me anything...

Hi Guys,

I don't really do this any more , as truth be told I don't think i'm as good as I was, and I don't learn the game as much as I should, so other players are better that I play against and my edge is shorter. I could prob still make $1k/month which is more than enough for me now to live my life but tighter legislation in Europe and banning it in the States makes me unsure if I could do this for the coming years. I have been playing online for 4 years, gave me money while through Uni, and for the last 16 months, you could say I was a "online pro", although I never thought I was good enough to call myself a "pro".

So instead I am looking at other ways (currently in Australia on a WHV to make more money for furture plans, not sure if people are interested in this, maybe I should make a thread in travel?)

My game was 100nl NLHE, I actually got staked, which means someone gives me all the money to play. the split can be anything from 50/50 to 90/10 in the favor of the player.

I would usually only play 3-4 hours a day and that would be enough for me.


a Graph of my winnings from I believe 2012, August-December.

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I will most likely get back into this again, but it wont be as a full time job, rather something to pass time and earn a bit of money on the side. Feel free to ask me questions you want on it.

-I would roughly play 120 hours a month (lazy)
-I would make around $800-1600 a month for myself after it giving my backer his split.
- total life time winnings would be $15k-$20k (all cash games, no tournaments)
- playing around 4 years (1.5 years seriously)
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#2

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How much time learning do you need to earn around 1000$ a month?
Internet poker seems great but its hard for me to trust the website and players. How can you be sure youre not playing against computers or computer aid players?
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#3

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I have been professional for 3,5 years and been beating 500s HU sngs for the last 3-4 month. After this I was burned out. Had another shot half a year ago but I could not stand it anymore plus the game got much harder to beat.

I would say you are way to late to get started. There is so much free information available that makes much harder competition. Also 1000$ a month is not even close enough money that you should be making to do it professional, as the variance can be a bitch.

A thread on WHV in australia could be interesting as there is good money to be made if you are staying away from the farms. From what I have read it is pretty similar than the american/canadian oil cities, just that the OZ mining towns are not as freezing cold.
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#4

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poker is still good for money but it is way harder than before, basic things like BR management are way more important than anything else.

need at least 50 buyins for cash, 200 for SNGS and more for MTTS

all the players I know are just bumhunters now, spread across all sites waiting for a donk to play HU (cash)

it's great if you are playing 200NL+ but below that the rake and variance is too high to live a decent life month in month out. I did it before for 2 years, then went busto.
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#5

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What sites do you play on now and how much harder do you think the games are now?

And what is your bbs per hour?

You want to know the only thing you can assume about a broken down old man? It's that he's a survivor.
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#6

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That's a lot of hours for $1k/month. You'd make more working in most desk jobs, and then you get benefits and have a steady salary.

Regarding knowing if the games are real or not, my friend is in the industry so I know a bit about this. A lot of sites are just "skins" (look and feel templates) for a larger network, and those larger networks are legit. Some are even publicly-traded companies actually.

Basically all the networks are looking to get a lot of "whales" in there, which are casual players who lose a lot. Think some guy playing poker on a Friday night after a long week of work (side note: this is also the target market for the internet porn business). He's doing it for fun and to blow off some steam, so won't care too much about losses here and there.

The issue is that most players are not whales but rather the pros, and those people move networks on a regular basis depending on who is offering the best promotions. Some promotions mean you actually get part of the money the casino earned paid back to you (known as rakeback).

I also know a few full-time professional players. They certainly play online, in satellite tournaments and to win entry to the real (not online) tournaments, but the big money to be made is in the real-life tournaments, at least from what they've told me.
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Im in the USA and really miss the big $50-100 tournies where you can win as much as $100k+ for 1st. I won $3k-6k several times.

It wasn't really an extra source of income as much as a ton of fun.

Any idea when/if it will be back? Fucking hate Authoritarianism.
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Quote: (01-13-2014 01:11 PM)paninaro Wrote:  

I also know a few full-time professional players. They certainly play online, in satellite tournaments and to win entry to the real (not online) tournaments, but the big money to be made is in the real-life tournaments, at least from what they've told me.

I dunno about that. When I was playing professionally my coaches were 20 tabling 100NL-600NL and making some serious cash, rakeback/rewards alone are serious money at that level when grinding tables like that. Those guys would put in insane hours and play 100k+ hands a month for multiple months in a row. I only broke 100k hands a month twice and it burned me out each time. Anyway, yea you have the WSOP and all that but that is not every day and its 1 boring ass tournament at a time.

I'm not sure anyone is good enough to 20 table stakes above 200NL these days as things have gotten much tougher. I remember in 2008ish those SNGIcon guys said that in the 2004-2006 timeframe they were pulling in about 40k a month and their skill level was so low at that time that they likely couldn't have beaten 16$ PStars SNGs in 2008.

The good thing about online poker is you can grind out for 1k a month while traveling and you don't have to be all that good, though I saw that having a million+ hands under my belt. I could certainly live in quite a few places for 1k a month while I travel around the world.
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Quote: (01-13-2014 01:05 PM)renotime Wrote:  

What sites do you play on now and how much harder do you think the games are now?

And what is your bbs per hour?
Including rakeback I would be like 3-4bb/100. Don't think id get that now.

Games are harder than ever, have to put some serious effort in now to make money. Rake donest help either.
Quote: (01-13-2014 01:11 PM)paninaro Wrote:  

That's a lot of hours for $1k/month. You'd make more working in most desk jobs, and then you get benefits and have a steady salary.

Regarding knowing if the games are real or not, my friend is in the industry so I know a bit about this. A lot of sites are just "skins" (look and feel templates) for a larger network, and those larger networks are legit. Some are even publicly-traded companies actually.

Basically all the networks are looking to get a lot of "whales" in there, which are casual players who lose a lot. Think some guy playing poker on a Friday night after a long week of work (side note: this is also the target market for the internet porn business). He's doing it for fun and to blow off some steam, so won't care too much about losses here and there.

The issue is that most players are not whales but rather the pros, and those people move networks on a regular basis depending on who is offering the best promotions. Some promotions mean you actually get part of the money the casino earned paid back to you (known as rakeback).

I also know a few full-time professional players. They certainly play online, in satellite tournaments and to win entry to the real (not online) tournaments, but the big money to be made is in the real-life tournaments, at least from what they've told me.
I was staked so I was giving 40% of my winnings to him, although I had 0 risk. I agree office job pays better, but then I would be in England. Its a trade off im willing to take. my usual month is around $1300ish which $11 which is more than enough for Thailand and my life style. no stress either. But I dont have big career plans.
Quote: (01-13-2014 06:32 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

Im in the USA and really miss the big $50-100 tournies where you can win as much as $100k+ for 1st. I won $3k-6k several times.

It wasn't really an extra source of income as much as a ton of fun.

Any idea when/if it will be back? Fucking hate Authoritarianism.
Wont be any time soon for the US sadly [Image: sad.gif].
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#10

Online poker and travel, ask me anything...

I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions and also give my answers on the topics:

What is the best poker book you have read?

For me it was Blue Book by Reed Young

What is the best series of poker videos you watched?

For me it was the DC shorts series by Grindcore

What was your biggest winning month?

For me is was $5000

What was your biggest losing month?

For me it was $9000, when I went nearly busto. The next few months I broke even but with expenses couldn't survive in the Poker world any more.

What sites were your favorites?

For me is was Stars, FTP and Microgaming. But when FTP went bust I stopped playing poker altogether.

What is the best softeware?

I used HEM1 with Omaha Pro and Table Ninja

What was your favorite game?

Mine was 6max NLHE

How long have you been out of action?

For me is has been since Black Friday 2011. Shit... that's a looong ass time. 3 years nearly!

How long were you 'pro' as in ONLY source of income?

For me it was Sept 09 til May 11 - around 20 months.

If you were to go back to it, what would you do differently?

I would be way over rolled and also put in more hours, I'd get coaching twice a month and have 6 months living set aside in advance.
I would also play more MTT's in the big weekend tournaments.
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#11

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Quote: (01-14-2014 12:41 AM)2014 Wrote:  

I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions and also give my answers on the topics:

What is the best poker book you have read?
The poker blue print

What is the best series of poker videos you watched?

Never counting the odds - Krants

What was your biggest winning month?

hmm appox $2200

What was your biggest losing month?

$1900




What sites were your favorites?

FTP, just because the site looks sexy

What is the best softeware?

Hem 1 hands down

What was your favorite game?

NLHE
How long have you been out of action?

hmm about 5 months now

How long were you 'pro' as in ONLY source of income?

from February 2012 till October 2013

If you were to go back to it, what would you do differently?

Maybe not get staking and keep building up my own role, and LEARN LEARN AND LEARN SOME MORE

answered. [/b]
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#12

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I've got a good handle on the microstakes and am currently spectating the $2/$4 tables where the buy-ins are higher. I think I've got a good minimal-variance and maximized-profit approach and thought I'd share my observations. I'm by no means an expert but I think for an absolute beginner some of this could be useful.

So I busted my first two $30 deposits at Bovada. I was winning at the lowest possible microstakes, 2c/5c, right off the bat, but I blew it all on Blackjack. (Don't do that ever.) I was whittled down on a $30 deposit on Full Flush to nothing, but I won the $1000 Depositor's freeroll. I don't like that client so I'm trying to find out how Western Union withdrawals work.

After my third Bovada deposit, I finally got the ball rolling and got up to $700 never multitabling more than 3 playing 5c/10c. So I've recovered my losses, and paid off the poker resources such as books I've bought by Sklansky and Lee Jones.

Best way to get started: Shortstacking

Shortstacking is far and away the single most effective thing you can do to learn NLHE at any given limit you are new to. Why is this?

1. Reduced complexity and risk

At the beginning, your goal is to fully master the ABCs of poker. This means sticking to your starting hands. Shortstacking will mitigate the temptation to limp in with trash hands because you have fewer big blinds. This is a winning formula. Multitabling 3 at a time, playing tightly and taking your opportunities to see the flop at the right price, and leveraging it to the hilt when you connect with the flop, is how you will win.

You will develop the ability to slowplay and deceive opponents when you actually have the nuts. This is admittedly the easiest part of Hold 'Em, but remember the way you naturally play when you're that confident. Later on, when you incorporate bluffing into your game, you have to hold onto that feeling.

And we can't understate the importance of wringing every last penny of value from having the stone cold nuts. It happens so rarely. By reading the board and putting your opponent on a hand, and how strong you appear, you. If you seem pot-committed and desperate, and maybe he's improved to a straight against your nut flush, it may be correct to throw in a Tom Dwan overbet and escalate into an all-in showdown.

Knowing when to checkraise, when to minraise, go all in, read your opponent's confidence etc. This is something every player is capable of doing even as a beginner, so focus on that.

The very first quads I made... I got 11 cents out of. Now I'm able to get someone go all in and take his entire stack.

2. Tilt control

It hurts lose to lose your buyin. Starting adding $.50, then $1.00 as you get more comfortable. At the beginning with 2c/5c tables, I'd jump in with $2.00, roll up to $8.00, then leave and put it aside. If I get wiped out, I can shrug it off because I'm up in the other tables.

If you're prone to tilting, then quit ALL the tables, bank your earnings, and go back in with the same shortstack. Go down to 2 tables at a time just so that you don't blow.

3. Conditions you not to play trash hands.

The worst part of microstakes isn't the donkfests and suckouts by fish who have no regard for pot odds etc. It's that you're tempted to go in with J2o because it's so easy to limp. It will happen more often than you care for, your variance spikes up like mad because when you flop a set and if you progress in the hand, you're going to lose at the showdown. These marginal hands are dangerous and how most novice players get into trouble.

It's a horrible habit. Fold trash even if you're in the small blind and need only 3c to call. If you wouldn't play it at higher stakes, don't limp with it here.

If you do limp in from small blind with 72o just for shits and gigs, pray you don't connect and can throw that hand away. If you flop two pair, then bet big and take that pot down right then and there.

This discipline is the first thing you need. It means nothing if you're able to maintain discipline for only the first three hours of a session. Or if you need to take the tough lessons and swallow the bitter pills, at least protect your bankroll by shortstacking until you're as patient as the Dalai Lama.

This will put you into the small or big winner category at least.

Experimentation

In conjunction with shortstacking, experimentation is key. I did advocate very tight range, but for a reason. The overall point to playing poker and making any kind of side income is that you're winning.

By shortstacking and being prudent, you will hit the ground running and be at least a marginal winner. You can take three or so bad beats and shrug it off no problem.

You have to separate your game into different regions. You have a firm foothold in a stake level where you know what works, and use some of your gains to develop your game and add aggression until you've fully mastered a level.

I'll play 5c/10c with a full buyin at three tables and assign them "Standard TAG play" status and build up my money. Tables 4 and 5 on the other hand are my experimentation tables where I'll practice LAG style play. Adopting the LAG-style at the right table is enormously profitable and will do wonders for your confidence.

At this point, you're doing better than minimum wage (not accounting for withdrawal fees) if you're doing it fulltime (I'm a uni student still though). Stealing pots at opportune moments. Broaden your starting range a little by little. Use PokerStove.

Remember the feeling of dread when certain turn or river cards fall

Think of specific spots, board textures where you felt like "Fuck, not this shit again..." When you feel yourself freeze up when a scary card falls and you get a pot-sized bet fired at you, fold, but note that down. Think of these specific scenarios like a repertory.

Then put yourself in the shoes of the guy who's exploiting your fear. Realize there is nothing preventing you from being him the next time around (assuming position of course).

Familiarizing yourself with certain spots

Certain boards are easy to manipulate. The dynamic of a hand can change completely, as will the psychology of your opponent. Basically it's putting yourself in the other guy's shoes and being the aggressor and learning the "safe" places you can take down a pot. Figuring out how position, stack sizes, hand ranges compare, etc.

Do this in your "Experimentation" tables until you've gone through that scenario hundreds of times, then incorporate it within your "Standard" play repertory. Things that seem high variance at first will actually reveal themselves to be LOW variance.

REVIEW HAND HISTORIES

Every hand you participate in, or as an observer, you're paying attention to what type of player your opponents are. You have an impression of his skill level and tendencies, whether he's generally a nit, fish, TAG, LAG, etc. If you get pushed out of a pot, go check the hand histories and see whether your guess was right.

This is THE huge advantage of online poker over live poker. If your opponent mucks in the casino, you'll wonder forever if you made the right decision. There is NO excuse not to check the hand histories whatsoever. You can't be aggressive and ramp up your profits without developing your hand reading skill and feel for the other players.

How deep can you go with this? You can look at how players fold with what hand strength vs. what hand strength their opponent represented, and to what bet size, how check-bet-check-raise progressions on the way to the river defined the hand.

If you got rivered while slowplaying, you can look back and see if maybe there were warning signs that you should have pushed someone out of the pot after the flop. This is how you fine-tune.

You ultimately need to do this to really learn from your hand experience. I'd rather do this for 10k hands and dissect them, really get the most of my investment in time, than play 100k a month and risk burnout.

Preflop play

Preflop play is where things are the simplest, and you stand to make lots of money without even . If you have a hand with good blocker value.
Pay attention.

Knowing when and where to blind steal is. If you've seen, don't be afraid to shove or raise 4 times the big blinds.

The thing is, you have to Learn EQUITY. There is no getting around this. Learning equity is what will make you and break your opponents. This is something you hone incrementally. Equity is how you choose what to do, a comparison of your read on your opponent's hand range against yours. The PokerStove tool is a godsend and you should download it and use it as you play. You'll gradually know right off the bat whether you are the underdog and if the pot odds justify you going in or not.

With AK I'll always , and sometimes they'll take the bait. At worst, it's a coin flip and you're up against a pocket pair, but quite a few players will take you up on it with AQ or AJ. You are the favorite. This is where the big slick shines. But again, having the hand histories and knowing the general trend of how players play in early position is important, even on Bovada where the players are anonymous.

This is key to tournament play as well:

Watch videos of players actually winning these online tournaments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rUK1QpcJcw Let their casual, mild manner while playing aggressively rub off on you and realize that it's really not a big deal. The guy crushing your table in the ringgame is probably watching sports highlights while he's steamrolling everyone.

But he illustrates the importance of pot stealing in the tournament context.

You can nearly always finish in the money by your preflop play alone. Stacksizes, betsizing, and position is important here. Calling in early position and what happens? You get someone raising you for half your stack, and you've wasted a big blind, probably when your stack was too shallow to afford it. There's a great moment in the video I linked to where Gripsed notes exactly that. It's all position-dependent.

I might play 5 or 6 hands en route to cashing. Think about that. You don't have to outplay everyone else on every hand to win the tournament. This skill alone is enough to get you to the final table, and certainly in the money.

You're using position to isolate people you think you can induce a fold from. People will keep calling in early position and hope not to get pressured. Sometimes if you have a good read you'll ambush someone going all in with AQ or AJ or, while you hold AK. This is where the big stick is unmatched.

I'm rather mildly working on developing a cash-game + tournament unified strategy where the aim of my cash-game play is to make sure I have enough to get me into a good spread of tournaments. I'll take the standard approach in the early rounds, bust out of some, then devote my attention to the ones where I make the final table.

The past two weeks I was multitabling five $5 buy in tourneys where I made it in the cash in three. I'd busted out of two, made it to the final table in all three others, and take 1st in one. For the last week I busted three, then finished in the cash in all the others. Well beyond the initial investment and a big fraction of my $700. That's already a nice side income on a weekly basis and this is current to modern online poker.

Avoid add-on/rebuy tournaments if you can.

In my opinion, it's all about incrementalism. The more theory you know, and specifically the concept of equity, the more you will break down your limitations and overcome scarcity mentality. At the beginning I thought "Someone raised ten times the big blinds, I have no choice but to lay down AQs." Now if I've put the opponent on a range and have majority equity, I'll happily pay to see the flop and take it from there. In a few months I expect I won't be using PokerStove anymore.

Things will come to you. My best moment? In the little tourney I won, I just had that feeling that two guys had raised with AK/AQ/AJ or something while I had pocket 3s, just because that's generally how it goes. I put them all in, they turned out to have the same hand (AK and AK), so I busted them out and I arrived in that final table as chip leader, and indeed took first.

And realize, you are supposed to get lucky.

But how do you utilize luck correctly?

The purpose of blind stealing and pot stealing is that you can afford to gamble. This is what Doyle Brunson advocates in Super System: he's able to take stabs at massive pots as an underdog because he can afford to because of these aggressive takedowns of smaller pots. He's earning the ability to make plays at these huge pots.

Learn to fold weak full houses, especially if it's a frightening board texture at the flop. If you get the right price and are in later position, see the turn and if you don't hit quads, bail. This goes back to marginality I brought up in shortstacking - you want to minimize higher variance plays like this. Because you will be reeled into an all-in showdown, and you WILL lose everything you gained that session to a better full house or quads. Deny him the opportunity to stack you.

This one specific spot is probably the single biggest correction to your game you can make as a beginner or intermediate. Recognizing when you're a massive underdog even when you objectively have a monster hand is pretty major. This is something Isildur1 does automatically because he figures it's -EV. Don't think scarce, realize a better opportunity is around the corner.

Do your own analysis regarding pot stealing. If someone pushes back at you and mega reraises you, just let it go. If they make a stand and try and punish you only once every five times, so what?

View your chips not as money, but as your weapons. They are the bullets in your six-barrel revolver, your scouts. When you attempt a pot takedown at the flop by firing a 1/2 pot bet, and you get a pot-sized reraise or a sketchy call, fold and don't get upset.

Don't think of it like "Wow, I just wasted money. It totally failed that time."

No. It WORKED. You have SAVED yourself money because otherwise he would have valuetowned you to hell and sprung a mega reraise on you at the river. You're got overall EV from this play, so you're not going to force it like a fish and you take the next pot (not necessarily on that exact same table).

Do your homework, read, even spend hours watching the higher stakes games from the rails taking notes. The hand ranges and preflop-postflop play changes each time you move up the ladder and it'll save you money if you go in knowing something of what to expect.
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#13

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One thing I've always wondered is this: are there advantages to online poker other than the location independence?
Would you ever gone to cities with casinos or local tournaments instead? Which would be better?
Cheers.

"The woman most eager to jump out of her petticoat to assert her rights is the first to jump back into it when threatened with a switching for misusing them,"
-Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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#14

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Hand histories. It's not even close. Live, you'll never know if you made the right fold or if you overlooked something that could have made you make the right call unless you're friendly with someone and he tells you.

Invest in a hand history converter software like a tracker from Poker Solutions. A good free one to use is fpdb.

You can sit in on a higher limit game, do nothing but fold and pay a few blinds an dollars hour, quit, download the hand history, import it into your converter, and learn how things are done.

You see all the hole cards of all the players. If you folded to the first bet by the guy under the gun because you had K8 for a flop of 8AA, and you decided he had an Ace, then it turns out he had 86, well, you learn something from that.

The exploits you pick up will be doubly effective in your local low stakes game.
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#15

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You should go to Manila and play cash poker there, they have a lot of tourneys and cash games, poker clubs and casinos and the buy ins are much lower than everywhere else in the world. Their casinos are pretty sweet. A lot of fun.
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Quote: (04-17-2014 12:56 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Hand histories. It's not even close. Live, you'll never know if you made the right fold or if you overlooked something that could have made you make the right call unless you're friendly with someone and he tells you.

Invest in a hand history converter software like a tracker from Poker Solutions. A good free one to use is fpdb.

You can sit in on a higher limit game, do nothing but fold and pay a few blinds an dollars hour, quit, download the hand history, import it into your converter, and learn how things are done.

You see all the hole cards of all the players. If you folded to the first bet by the guy under the gun because you had K8 for a flop of 8AA, and you decided he had an Ace, then it turns out he had 86, well, you learn something from that.

The exploits you pick up will be doubly effective in your local low stakes game.

When did this start? I stopped playing seriously in 2011 but if you folded and they chose not to show their cards you could not see the whole cards with any converter at that time. The players would be up in arms if this changed and I still check in over at 2+2 from time to time and have never noticed anything on this.

Honestly, I have a hard time believing you can now see every single persons whole cards in the hand historys, they needed to either show the cards or go to showdown. I could be wrong, maybe things changed but not being able to see is part of the game, even if it is after the hand has concluded.



EDIT:::: Damn you are right. Are all poker sites giving out this information? I cant imagine pokerstars is doing this but I will have a look into it. This isn't good for the game IMO. It changes decisions when people know they can just checkthe HH and see what you were holding. Part of the game is not knowing and having that urge to "pay to see".
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