[Beginner]

The Game is a rapper and has unshakeble frame in this video.

The whole video is good but here are some examples of good frame

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Post some good examples of frame control you have found.

[Beginner]

[artur jedi]

First video shows "its private".

[Beginner]

I couldn't find another one with video, this one has just audio.

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[TheFunto]

My friend last week had one of the best frame control reactions I've seen... this french girl was zeroing on him for a bit while being massacred by this needy guy approaching her. She slowly maneuvered closer to us and out of the blue took his cigarette from his mouth and started smoking it.
He just slowly reached out for his pocket, picked a new one and lit it up. I was in awe.
He fucked her that night.

[Lucario]

(12-26-2013 08:48 PM)TheFunto Wrote:  

My friend last week had one of the best frame control reactions I've seen... this french girl was zeroing on him for a bit while being massacred by this needy guy approaching her. She slowly maneuvered closer to us and out of the blue took his cigarette from his mouth and started smoking it.
He just slowly reached out for his pocket, picked a new one and lit it up. I was in awe.
He fucked her that night.

He did not stamp any authority on her.


The better move there would be to take the cigarette right back from her mouth immediately, tell her " you did not get my permission to smoke this cigarette" and smoke it again.

[Hotwheels]

^^^ We need a thumbs down vote option...

[dog24]

Why? Seems like the girl was already attracted to him and wanted to get his attention... FAG game
I would have taken the cigarrette back and told her not to disrespect me again. Frame control or not i dont like being disrespected.

[Wahawahwah]

(12-26-2013 09:46 PM)dog24 Wrote:  

Why? Seems like the girl was already attracted to him and wanted to get his attention... FAG game
I would have taken the cigarrette back and told her not to disrespect me again. Frame control or not i dont like being disrespected.

It takes a certain level of self control not to react to a provocation.

See, the guy was smoking with his friend, the girl comes into his frame and steals his cigarette. She steals his frame, or attempts to anyway.
If the guy had reacted, he would have fallen into her frame.
If he had just looked aghast, or told her OVERTLY that she was being disrespectful, he would still have fallen into her frame because he was still reacting to her.

The guy was unfazed, he did not give the obvious knee jerk reaction.
At the same time, he did not restrict his own enjoyment.

By not reacting AND by pulling out a new cig slowly, he simultaneously destroyed the girl's frame and created a new one in which the girl willingly fell.

On a less myopic note, I think the reason the girl took the cig in this scenario was not so much to be disrespectful to the guy, but to get rid of her orbiter by showing she was "with" someone.
By reacting the way he did, the guy not only killed off the weak competition, but the girl would've gone a minor "wow" moment in her head, just like OP did.

+displayed abundance+social savvyness+got to play her saviour...all by not reactong. Good ROI ?

OT - THIS is what girls dreams of.
Falling in love with a random stranger who fends off an evil filthy son-of-a-bitch(often visualised as a toady with warts and a hungry smile) chasing said damsel, while creating a work of art and fending off 3 crocodiles at the same time.
Fuckin drama.


There is a high possibility they banged later.

[dog24]

Ive had something similar to that cigarrette situation happen to me, me and my friend went to sit down with two girls and their gay friend. Suddenly the girl starts acting bitchy to me and makes fun of the fact that i was drinking water instead of beer (i had to drive later), i asked her why are you suddenly picking on me, she didnt even looked at me in the face and didnt respond. I got pissed off and went to another part of the club. Later my friend and the gay guy pretty much begged me to dance with her, and she just stood there waiting for me. (I went home alone and so did she, and i dont regret it).

Like i said she was already attracted to the guy, otherwise she wouldnt have done something like that. As long as he didnt fuck it up he would have banged her.

But i do agree with you it takes a lot of self control, but when enough girls hit on you by pretending theyre making fun or you, or shit testing you whatever you want to call it, it pisses you off, i mean i put myself out there if i am attracted to a girl i like why cant girls do that too?

[Nemencine]

My default reaction to girls that act towards me with entitlement behaviour or bad flirting of any kind, is to tease them.

For this particular case, i will give a more detailed answer in the next post.

[RX2]

^haha Powerful Joe Rogan. He's one of the best at dealing with hecklers.

Most seasoned comedians are actually. They've been at it so long that when a heckler tries to act out at a show, they don't fall into their frame and continue with their show or completely destroy the heckler.

[Nemencine]

(12-26-2013 08:48 PM)TheFunto Wrote:  

My friend last week had one of the best frame control reactions I've seen... this french girl was zeroing on him for a bit while being massacred by this needy guy approaching her. She slowly maneuvered closer to us and out of the blue took his cigarette from his mouth and started smoking it.
He just slowly reached out for his pocket, picked a new one and lit it up. I was in awe.
He fucked her that night.

If it gets you laid at minimum cost, it gets you laid. That is the bottomline.

maybe your move is "alpha" or "beta" is irrelevant as long as you (a)get the bang and (b) did not suffer indignities for it.

I would have handled the situation with a tease/flirtation/kino. I WILL NOT go with " you didnt have my permission to smoke this cig". No, that wouldnt be my move.

My move would have been a tease/flirtation/kino.

something like this:

My first reaction is no reaction at all. Just a blank expression. (When the unexpected happen, i tends to just pause for a second, access the situation in lightening quick mental calculation, and devise a course of action. that is my default mode.)

Then, i will look at her with a smug smile.... letting her take a drag of the cig.....

I will then take the same cig from her hand before she can hand it to me,.... and say gently "you REALLY want to taste my lips that badly, dont you?" with a smug, cocky, teasing smile...

Right before i take a drag from the same cig... i will pause..., take a look at the cig, then... at her, and ask with a smile " before i taste your saliva, you dont have anything i should be worry about, do you?" (you have to neg that bitch.)

**I have used a variations of that line with girls i am sharing a drink with many times. I always get qualifications from them. I dont see why i should not use this with a girl that is confident enough to walk over to me and take a cig from my mouth w/o permission.**

I will then take a drag from the cig, before handing over the cig to her for another drag... at the last moment, i will pull my hand away, .... i will step closer to her, then, manually put the cig in her mouth with my hand still holding the cig.....

My other hand, will be on her lower backside...(i have initiated kino/breached her personal space). She came over and take a cig from me w/o permission... she had it coming......

I will let her take a drag from the cig, with the cig inbetween my fingers.....

as she is taking another drag from my cig... i will say " i want to see how well you can suck on this stick... i am judging your oral skills...."

I have started sexualizing the conversation.... it is on.... i will tease/joke with her some more, calling her nicknames "the cigarrette bandit" or something to that effect. ... it is on... i will just keep going verbally, while we share the cig back and forth... sexualizing the conversation more and more. and of course, more kino.

This is my style. My brain always find ways to sexualize the conversation and quickly find excuses to start kino escalation. An example is what happened when i went to the hospital to see somebody(do you have a game mode?.)

I know that sometimes, my forwardness/direct game will push girls off, i dont care. To me, it screens girls that her DTF. Besides, she is the one that came over to me and take the cig from my lips and suck on it without my permission... It is open season on her arse. She open herself to all sorts of sexual harassment that will surely follows from me. What i wont do, is lecture her like she is a petulant child with " you didnt have my permission to smoke this cig."

Anyways, this will be the rough guidelines of how i would have handled the situation. I would follow the same rough approach is she were to come over and take my drink from my side and take a sip without my permission: My reaction would have been: tease/flirt/kino.

Anyways, this is how i would i played it. Since your friend got the bang. thumbs up from me. Otherwise, it will be one of those "Was this beta?" nonsense.

Some people are too wrapped up in "alpha vs beta" dichotomy.

regards,

Nemencine

[dog24]

(12-27-2013 12:04 AM)Nemencine Wrote:  

If it gets you laid at minimum cost, it gets you laid. That is the bottomline.

maybe your move is "alpha" or "beta" is irrelevant as long as you (a)get the bang and (b) did not suffer indignities for it.

One could say that banging fatties still counts as a bang. Although i assume most guys in here are not after those girls, they are after hot, young, femenine? girls. Or guys in here just complain all the time at the entitlement, the attitudes, and a bunch of stuff only to go after those same girls they complain about just to get the bang?

I see abundance was also mentioned in this thread, by that do we mean abundance mentality, a mental masturbation term often used by guys who say yeah i could totally hook up with that chick if i wanted to, i just dont want to you know. Or do we mean abundance as in having girls regularly approach you, and the times that you do approach you get a positive feedback, thats abundance to me.
Like i said before, if the girl did that to him she was already attracted (considering fucking him), if a girl goes out her way to do that im pretty sure the dude was attractive/high value enough to get other girls. I personally find that type of behaviour unacceptable i dont care if i lose the bang neither i care if its alpha or beta. All i know is i wont feel like a hypocrite next time i complain about entitled girls.

[Ingocnito]

(12-27-2013 12:08 AM)RX2 Wrote:  

^haha Powerful Joe Rogan. He's one of the best at dealing with hecklers.

Most seasoned comedians are actually. They've been at it so long that when a heckler tries to act out at a show, they don't fall into their frame and continue with their show or completely destroy the heckler.

That was absolutely wonderful to watch, thanks for posting.

[horn]

(12-26-2013 08:48 PM)TheFunto Wrote:  

My friend last week had one of the best frame control reactions I've seen... this french girl was zeroing on him for a bit while being massacred by this needy guy approaching her. She slowly maneuvered closer to us and out of the blue took his cigarette from his mouth and started smoking it.
He just slowly reached out for his pocket, picked a new one and lit it up. I was in awe.
He fucked her that night.

I would have put my arm around her waist and cupped her ass, but that's just me.

[harvey]

Charlie Sheen has frame in spades:

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(Embed has been working on/off for me...here's the link if embed is no go):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdoz-WYiSI

[Tactician]

A historical example of frame control, sourced from the book Genghis Khan: Emperor of All Men. With some minor edits from me:

Background: Very early in his life, prior to becoming known as Genghis Khan, some members of an allied tribe have come to discuss matters with Temujin, but they plan to betray him...

Quote:

"O Khan, I have served thee, until this day!"

His meaning was clear, and his six sons made ready to rush upon the Mongol.
Temujin stood up. He had no weapon and there was no way out of the tent except the entrance.
Instead of calling for aid he spoke sternly to the angry clansmen. "Aside! I wish to go out!"

Surprised by the unexpected command, they gave way, and he went from the tent to the guard post of his warriors.