[mcr]

I really enjoy hearing about how great all these other women in other countries are, but what are the primary ways in which they different?

(I have some of the answers from my reading here, but I'm just wondering if someone who has most of the answers, could - perhaps, sum it all up into one post?)

I read Roosh's newest blog article on travel and how it won't solve game problems, or necessarily increase the 'hot/cute'ness of the girls you do bang, but for a guy with 'average' game at the moment, what could he typically expect to see during club game & day game approaches, even "beyond the bang" (Roosh, if you ever write a book on dating/relationships, that's the title, lol) and into "dating".

Are the typical problems we see as American guys isolated to the typical American girl? Meaning, can one travel pretty much anywhere else and be removed from a good part of the behavior issues we see?

thoughts?

[iknowexactly]

(12-08-2010 05:07 PM)mcr Wrote:  

...... what are the primary ways in which they different?

The underlying, multi-faceted factor in why American women are more difficult than the average woman in the rest of the world ( as of there were such a thing) is
-- their high self-assessment, conscious or unconscious, of what they are "worth", or "deserve" in terms of a good mate.

What is "good" in a mate? Reproductive advantage. That's why hot women marry 60-something guys sometimes if he's very wealthy. (Picasso married WAY younger women.) They know if Mr. 60 gets them pregnant, she gets
a) His superior genes ( why he's rich)
b) His wealth, which confers advantage onto her offspring.

For some reason height is a deeply fixating trait for women, probably to do with multiple causes such as superior status of ancestors as well as good nutrition available throughout youth.

This is, of course, completely relative. If you ARE a 6'4" 27 year old romantic, handsome genius surfer semi-millionaire with a 6-pack, American women are as nice as can be, I'm sure.

A "cool" penniless surfer dude, unless he's drop-dead gorgeous and has SOMETHING going on career wise showing he's not a fool, might have lower reproductive advantage than Mr. 60. BUT in America, no one starves, so the financial aspect doesn't weigh as heavily. She can focus more on who's "fun", on who impresses her friends.

On the other hand, if you're balding, chubby, 45, and not rich-- you have to have supreme game and probably just plain humor/ innate brilliance to get hot chicks interested.

That same 45-year-old, if he's basically a friendly guy with $1500 a month coming in who can really love and provide for his hot 18 year old Filipina wife, will get that wife there. Why? There's not that many guys there that can offer love and security. There's no divorce- period. Some schmuck gets you pregnant and leaves, good luck getting child support with the computer system in that country.
So Mr. 45 represents huge reproductive advantage to her in that environment.


..... what could he typically expect to see during club game & day game approaches,

To me club chicks are so far from what I'm interested in I have no real idea. Ask younger guys. I'm not into one-night stands. In foreign day game you'll have an advantage just because of your novelty, unless americans are hated where you go (Bush helped with that.
) . In some countries, American men have reputations as being nice, we have been domesticated by the shrill and demanding American women.


even "beyond the bang" and into "dating".....Are the typical problems we see as American guys isolated to the typical American girl?


No, in all very wealthy countries where women can get a lot of a guy's assets by marrying him, women expect much more because they often get much more. However, 2nd world ( like Russia) they are more open to someone who wouldn't be in demand in the USA.

In older, less affluent cultures (e.g. China) , other sources of reproductive advantage (education, wealth) are are more respected than youthful good looks and game, because survival is still a concern, and old people know stuff you need to survive, proven by their existence. They aren't held in contempt because they're not "hot" and young.


.........Meaning, can one travel pretty much anywhere else and be removed from a good part of the behavior issues we see?

To some degree, depending on where. The problem is more a first-world problem of wealthy countries with pro-feminist laws, but America's history as a frontier country has made aggressive rudeness a very acceptable demeanor.

Roosh is right that travel can't fix game, but game is just one factor that can only compensate for other weaknesses so much, although it's important because it can be changed without a lot of other resources by bootstrapping. How much does it cost to go to a mall and open 20 chicks? Nothing. Conversely, it might take 25 years of solely pursuing money to get a 120 foot yacht.

It is a big difference, however, in some instances to travel. For instance, when I get on a plane in the US, I am below average financially. When I get off that same plane in Ukraine 10 hours later, it is literally as if someone put $500,000 in my pocket, that's how much my relative financial value to a woman there goes up. There are rich russians that still blow me out, but I am starting the game much higher up on the status ladder.

[rudebwoy]

Foreign chicks tend to have a greater sense of reality.
In Norway I was with two girls who were only 28, they considered themselves too old for the club scene. I find the girls in North America tend not to have the same reality when it comes to age or rather they do not show it.

For me the biggest distinction that foreign ladies know how to serve there men, in return they expect a man.

[ukjw]

(12-26-2010 05:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Foreign chicks tend to have a greater sense of reality.
In Norway I was with two girls who were only 28, they considered themselves too old for the club scene. I find the girls in North America tend not to have the same reality when it comes to age or rather they do not show it.

For me the biggest distinction that foreign ladies know how to serve there men, in return they expect a man.

The first couple women I met abroad blew my mind with how they took care of me when I came over. In Lithuania a girl had a plate full of cookies and apples out for me and made me tea. Even though I wasn't interested in the food or tea it was kinda nice. I felt like I went back 60 years in america..... http://www.alcade.net/me/junk/housewife.jpg

Your also right about age, I don't remember meeting so many 30 year old single mothers in clubs abroad(Europe) as I do in America. I actually like girls in that age range more but it seems like most the hot single mothers that age in America I meet are pretty fucking crazy and that's why they are not already married(not sure about abroad).

[Moma]

(12-26-2010 05:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Foreign chicks tend to have a greater sense of reality.
In Norway I was with two girls who were only 28, they considered themselves too old for the club scene. I find the girls in North America tend not to have the same reality when it comes to age or rather they do not show it.

For me the biggest distinction that foreign ladies know how to serve there men, in return they expect a man.

Having lived in both the European and the North American continent, I am able to see things to a degree that others who have only lived in one may not be able to quite see.

North Americans like to look for devices to absolve themselves from responsibility a lot. Since I came here, I was surprised with the amount of diseases and disorders that were just listed freely to deal with cases that usually were viewed in Europe as pure laziness.

There are diseases/symptoms to explain a person being an asshole, not wanting to work, being overweight, inability to refrain from fcuking multiple dymes etc..

Women hate to admit that in a certain age range they really should start behaving in a manner congruent with that age range. This is why I have met many women who love the cougar concept because that gives them the excuse to date (fcuk) younger men and act as sophmoric as their sexual partners. It allows them to buy into the concept of you are as young as you feel and that forty is the new 20 blah blah etc etc.

In terms of treating men in a certain way, many women feel that they want equal rights and don't have to cook for a man or blah blah blah.
Being that the case, they will not or don't even know how to make a man a decent meal, not try to challenge him on every front and so on so forth.
Yet, they want to enjoy the idea of being courted thus having their cake and eat it.

In fact, I personally know several dudes that I have been living here for at least 20 years having moved from another country and these cats WILL NOT marry a North American.
They feel that their values are too superficial and fickle.