[Dr. Howard]

The article may be satire but The book is real http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White...0415963095

as is the praise from the chair of afro american studies.

Quote:

'…from time to time a study comes along that truly can be called ‘path breaking,’ ‘seminal,’ ‘essential,’ a ‘must read.’ How the Irish Became White is such a study.' John Bracey, W.E.B. Du Bois Department of Afro-American Studies, University of Massachussetts, Amherst

It might be satire but I think it says enough when a jewish author and a black chair of afro american studies can celebrate a book that says that the irish rose to acceptance on the backs of other minorities.

I'd love to read it but the summary and comments come across as "oh the irish never had it that hard because of their skin colour"

Can you imagine an irish american writing a book that says "oh slavery wasn't so hard for black americans". Neither can I, and thats the state of affairs in north america.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(11-26-2013 09:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 08:42 AM)Soma Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 07:24 AM)Collide Wrote:  

I'm pretty sure the original article is from a satire site.

This. You've been had.

So why is there a Washington Times link?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002...657-6385r/

That Washington times article is from 2002!

This is ancient history! Why are we getting worked up from something that happened 11 years ago?

His journal, Race Traitor, hasn't published anything since 2005.

What the satirists have done is take some crazy person from the turn of the century who was controversial to begin but who had since long faded from relevance, dig him out, and make him humorously extreme.

It's clear that this guy made an academic career out of trolling, which the OP's article is making fun of.

[Libertas]

(11-26-2013 12:22 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Yes, liberals today can be bothersome. But this is more complicated than him being "a liberal." Bill Clinton is a liberal and looking at this guy's bio, I don't see one thing either of them have in common.

He's the male version of what feminists are: theorists who come up with wacky ideas that have nothing to do with science.

Bingo. I addressed this dynamic in a blog post I wrote a few months back:

http://masculineepic.blogspot.com/2013/0...eople.html

Generally there are two kinds of leftists- the sane ones that want to help the poor and middle class and are wary of privatization, environmental degradation, the power of corporations, etc. All of these are reasonable positions that can be debated.

Then there's the batshit insane social justice crowd. Unfortunately, the latter dominates universities except maybe in the economics department.

[DjembaDjemba]

(11-26-2013 12:20 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 12:22 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Yes, liberals today can be bothersome. But this is more complicated than him being "a liberal." Bill Clinton is a liberal and looking at this guy's bio, I don't see one thing either of them have in common.

He's the male version of what feminists are: theorists who come up with wacky ideas that have nothing to do with science.

Bingo. I addressed this dynamic in a blog post I wrote a few months back:

http://masculineepic.blogspot.com/2013/0...eople.html

Generally there are two kinds of leftists- the sane ones that want to help the poor and middle class and are wary of privatization, environmental degradation, the power of corporations, etc. All of these are reasonable positions that can be debated.

Then there's the batshit insane social justice crowd. Unfortunately, the latter dominates universities except maybe in the economics department.

Most people are cool and rational, chill motherfuckers, great to have a beer with. They just want to enjoy life, be happy, bang hotties, make money.

Unfortunately, the more extreme ones tend to be the loudest, therefore making discourse more difficult than it should be. They fuck it up for the rest of the normal people.

They're the people that post 50 troll comments on news articles, they respond to every little comment with anger, and they circle jerk incessantly. They actually stifle and bog down debates. Eventually rational people turn off the computer or walk away from the conversation and go on with their lives while loud trolls troll on.

Politics is like that, most people are centre; left or right. Then you have the far left and far right, which is 2 extremes of the same coin.

As I have gotten older and more politically aware, I've started to appreciate the modern western republic and how much it can naturally self moderate to make sure the loudest on either side of the isle don't totally hijack the conversation politically and ruin everything...for everyone. Think communists, fascists, warlords, dictators, cults.

2 Examples: If the far left group gets into power, and tried to 'nationalize' massive swathes of the economy, they'll have to jump through a congress (or parliament in westminster style system), courts, senates, it has to be constitutionally ratified, etc. You can't do a Lenin/Stalin/Hitler style power grab. Push too far, there will be pushback, peacefully.

Say on the other hand a far right nationalist group takes over. Let's say it tried to take away people's votes, or marginalize a group, minority or a majority alike, they'll be stifled by the checks and balances. The whole system is like a social glue that moderates extremes.

This is a brilliant system, no system is more effective in preventing bloodshed and stupidity 3rd world style.

Think of how the US dealt with civil rights, versus how Russia dealt with it's minority groups in the mid century. One had peaceful marches, Brown vs Board of Education, the civil rights legislation. The other, Holodomor, Gulags, Kulaks, Katyn Massacre.

Ivory tower lefty academics, and dudes with fascist tendencies and aspirations alike are being moderated.

The west isn't falling apart, it's exporting a successful political model, the rest of the world is becoming more like the west, thus creating the perception that we're in decline.

[redpillrage33]

Western society gets more and more like The Matrix all the time.

One of these days, I half expect an academic who dresses like Agent Smith to start torturing me while lecturing me as follows: "White males are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we [liberal progressives]... are the cure!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM1-DQ2Wo_w

[Icarus]

(11-26-2013 01:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Think of how the US dealt with civil rights, versus how Russia dealt with it's minority groups in the mid century. One had peaceful marches, Brown vs Board of Education, the civil rights legislation. The other, Holodomor, Gulags, Kulaks, Katyn Massacre.

The Katyn Massacre was the mass execution of the Polish political, military, intellectual, and spiritual leadership by an occupation force. I fail to see how a war crime is related to a country's political system. I could also mention Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki to attack the American political system. War is about unleashing violence to transfer political power, it is not about good versus evil.

(11-26-2013 01:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

The west isn't falling apart, it's exporting a successful model in my opinion, the rest of the world is becoming more like the west, that's why it seems like it's falling behind, the rest is really catching up.

What successful model??? Unmarriageable women? Broken families? Fatherless children? 50+% divorce rates? How is this progress? Sounds to me that you caught the progressive virus...

[Col. Tigh]

(11-25-2013 11:21 PM)JackDavey Wrote:  

When I was in college (late 90s) there was a group called the Society for the Abolition of Whiteness. Mostly rich white kids, which I'm sure surprises no one here. I'll be interested to learn what this professor thinks about "How the Irish Became White", though.

Umm, he is the author of that book.

[GameTheory]

(11-26-2013 10:46 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 08:42 AM)Soma Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 07:24 AM)Collide Wrote:  

I'm pretty sure the original article is from a satire site.

This. You've been had.

So why is there a Washington Times link?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002...657-6385r/

That Washington times article is from 2002!

This is ancient history! Why are we getting worked up from something that happened 11 years ago?

His journal, Race Traitor, hasn't published anything since 2005.

What the satirists have done is take some crazy person from the turn of the century who was controversial to begin but who had since long faded from relevance, dig him out, and make him humorously extreme.

It's clear that this guy made an academic career out of trolling, which the OP's article is making fun of.

song written by a white dude, performed and recorded by white dudes about 20 years ago

[Libertas]

(11-26-2013 01:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

The west isn't falling apart, it's exporting a successful model in my opinion, the rest of the world is becoming more like the west, that's why it seems like it's falling behind, the rest is really catching up.

Sorry, but I think you're way off here. The far left cultural Marxists have had massive success since the 1960's- they adopted a Fabian strategy that gamed the system and they did it to perfection.

The most successful aspect of the post-Enlightenment model of governance is that it convinces those that have fundamentally no power that they actually matter. Because this belief exists, there is less civil unrest, because generally people will only do that stuff if they have no choice. This is something I call the "soft police state."

The system has had some success, and made good strides towards freedom in certain areas, but it has decayed very quickly as well, highlighting its supreme weaknesses.

[JackDavey]

(11-26-2013 03:10 PM)Col. Tigh Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 11:21 PM)JackDavey Wrote:  

When I was in college (late 90s) there was a group called the Society for the Abolition of Whiteness. Mostly rich white kids, which I'm sure surprises no one here. I'll be interested to learn what this professor thinks about "How the Irish Became White", though.

Umm, he is the author of that book.

You don't say?

[GameTheory]

(11-26-2013 04:12 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Sorry, but I think you're way off here. The far left cultural Marxists have had massive success since the 1960's- they adopted a Fabian strategy that gamed the system and they did it to perfection.
[...]

notorious Fabian socialist of the 20th century...

[J.J.]

(11-26-2013 04:12 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Sorry, but I think you're way off here. The far left cultural Marxists have had massive success since the 1960's- they adopted a Fabian strategy that gamed the system and they did it to perfection.

Yet despite those Cultural Marxists, America is a much better place today than it was in 1960.

[Icarus]

(11-26-2013 11:04 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

Yet despite those Cultural Marxists, America is a much better place today than it was in 1960.

Yet, in 1960, Detroit and Oakland were not 3rd world hellholes.

[It_is_my_time]

(11-26-2013 11:04 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 04:12 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Sorry, but I think you're way off here. The far left cultural Marxists have had massive success since the 1960's- they adopted a Fabian strategy that gamed the system and they did it to perfection.

Yet despite those Cultural Marxists, America is a much better place today than it was in 1960.

Not in the least. The only thing holding the USA together right now are the bankers deciding how much longer they want to loan us money. Once they decide to cut us off, we are SOL.

There were violent times pre civil rights, but what we face thanks to the feminist Democratic party will make that pale in comparison.

[speakeasy]

[Genghis Khan]

(11-26-2013 08:22 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 03:59 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

I don't know what it means to be a fellow. I almost regret posting this. I just wanted to throw it out there, because it shows that the left's posturing on race is just a weapon to get what they want. Because if the left really took racial issues seriously they would be just as mad at this guy as they would be at a KKK leader. You don't see that being the case. They not only accept this guy, he rises in academia!

No, I'm glad you posted it.

It's an important post because we're always talking about how higher education is useless if not outright harmful and this exposes that. It's almost as if this guy was a comedian satirizing the absolute worst excesses of academia.

Parents are paying for this. They should know that. Alumni are donating to support this guy. The more this gets out, the more they'll open their eyes.

Fellows are people that are supported on fellowships. They are not professors, not graduate students. Rather by definition, they are scholars whose primary goal is to do research. Fellowships are not funded by parents, but by endowments. Endowments are typically multimillion dollars funds, donated by typically 1 or 2 alumni.

That being said, even if all this crap was true and not satire, do you think parents would give a fuck? Their kids are going to Harvard, they're not going to pull their kids out and complain like hell about one wacky dude. Every top school has its own crazy people. Parents that can afford to send their kids to these schools are typically highly educated themselves and are aware of this fact. They don't give a shit, they're sending their kids to these schools for their reputation, not the quality.

[Clyde]

There are nutzos at college that span the entire spectrum.

If you get riled up and see a bigger meaning out of it. That has to do with you and not the psycho.