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Lifestyles of the New "Rich"
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Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

Quote: (11-25-2010 07:52 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

have you noticed that some of your friends and even relatives are starting to detach themselves from you, even trying to ignore you?

Just recently, my best friend from college (7-8 years), simply stopped talking to me. I suspect this is part due to my lifestyle taking off but also to the relation I have with women. I am much more successful with the agente féminine, in fact the last time I talked to him by phone, there was a girl resting on my shoulder that he could hear, and she was one hottie we had both seen in a club previous weekend. So a combination of those two type of success can be a really crude test to friendship.
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#52

Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

My best guess as the reason why your friends don't want to be around you is because you are shoving you perceived success in their faces. There are a lot of people out there that don't think your new lifestyle are anything special and when all you do is talk about yourself (i.e. your TOTALLY AWESOME new life) it comes off as really egotistical and you are boring them. From the way a few of you have been describing this problem it sounds like it has more to do with you showing off, talking only about yourself, and not really acting like a friend. It's not necessarily that they are jealous or that you are threatening.
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#53

Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

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Another thing that I've noticed and maybe some of you may have also noticed is that the wives and girlfriends of my buddies are I'm feeling trying to make their men avoid me. Like yesterday, I talked to one of my cousins with whom I was very close from high school and onward as he was basically my partner in crime and wingman when we went clubbing. I was talking to him while his wife was sitting besides him and it was clear that she was trying to cut the conversation as soon as possible as I was telling them about how awesome life is here in BKK, how nice the people are and how cheap things are here compard to NA and all. I wasn't even talking about girls or nightlife, but just regular touristy and general stuff. And the only thing that his wife asked me throughout the conversation was :"so when are you returning home and settle down?" Unreal. I mean if settling down is being stuck with a girl that doesn't leave you alone a single moment and working 70-80 hours/week, then I firmly believe it's very unlikely I'll "settle down" anytime soon.

Think about it from her perspective - you two have a history of clubbing/picking up girls. Either consciously or unconsciously she sees you as a threat to the stability of her relationship (rightfully so). She knows that if her husband goes on a trip with you to Thailand there is significant risk he might find some other girl he likes more.

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You're spot on again Phoenix abroad in surrounding myself with like minded people and that's one thing I like the most about this site which is at least a start towards that direction. And of course here in BKK, I've been attending expat meetings aka Bangkok Beer Camps held every 2 weeks and also met another cool and successful French internet marketer and making some nice connections with like minded people.

I am strongly considering a trip to Thailand/Philippines sometime between March and May so it would be cool to meet up.

Quote: (11-30-2010 04:16 PM)El Viajero Wrote:  

My best guess as the reason why your friends don't want to be around you is because you are shoving you perceived success in their faces. There are a lot of people out there that don't think your new lifestyle are anything special and when all you do is talk about yourself (i.e. your TOTALLY AWESOME new life) it comes off as really egotistical and you are boring them. From the way a few of you have been describing this problem it sounds like it has more to do with you showing off, talking only about yourself, and not really acting like a friend. It's not necessarily that they are jealous or that you are threatening.

This is certainly a possibility - but I tried very hard to avoid "bragging" and really had a genuine desire to help my friends succeed. I gave them the 4HWW book (some read it, some didn't) and offered to help guide them in setting up their own freelance career or online business, but for the most part they just didn't care and wanted to "go back to the matrix".

Learn how I created a successful 4HWW Muse Online Business and travel around the world.
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#54

Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

My old high school used to have a lot of nerds that couldn't talk about anything other than academics. It made me realize how important it is to find your own path and not be a sheep in society's social conditioning farm.

Most people think they deserve the best for doing the ordinary. I have to realize the only way to live life on your own terms is by grabbing it by the throat.

A lot of people work hard, but not smart. I need to work both smart and hard if I want to live a lifestyle where I can have multiple homes and experience the whole world.
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#55

Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

Quote: (11-19-2010 10:25 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

I can tell you my success story. Myself, was born in Lviv, a considerably poor town in USSR farther backyard. Lived there for 25 years through Ukrainian requests for independence, split of USSR into different countries, bread lines starting three hours before the store opened and stretched over a mile, product cards, a piece of meat costing 1,000,000 rubles after the inflation (was 10,000x or so), the name and design of national currency changed twice, and other funny stuff. In 1995 one could survive in Lviv for $10 a month; I was making $100 a month working 9 hours a day and felt like a king. Got my fair share of pussy - and getting laid in Lviv is similar to getting laid in some small US Midwest village with population of 5,000, it is very conservative, with everyone watching and rumors spreading fast.

Got tired and wanted a new challenge, found a job in Kiev and moved there. Was making $500 a month and lived like a king. Got laid like crazy. Saved something around $2K in two years when I found another job in Moscow, and made my first move to a different country. Got married. Lived there around six years, saw Russia going through anarchy-democracy to KGB-style dictatorship. Got Green Card, found a 100K job in Bay Area after spending a month going through interviews via Skype. Moved there, purchased a cheap home under 1M, got three kids. Have been living over five years here, not like a king but not needy either. Have been paid over 150K in taxes every year when filing jointly, and while it sucks, I always thought it's better to make more money and pay more tax than making less and waiting for hangout. The move to US dramatically changed the way I'm getting laid, the most significant difference being that I do not find most of locals worthy spending any significant effort. Still, looking back and considering raw counts only I "scored" (funny word) over 30 chicks this year with one night stands (to be fair, some of you may skip nine from Thailand). My wife accepts my needs, and while she's not jumping through the roof because of it, it doesn't make her unhappy either. We equally dislike Democrats (who try to tax us to death), Republicans (who want us to live under Sharia law praising their fake Jezus), Libertarians (who have completely no idea what they're talking about) and Green, who ruin the environment by driving cars and using AC while claiming everyone else should protect the environment. We work hard, raising our kids, and looking forward for our next move, which we haven't decided yet.

Is it considered "new rich"? It depends. My old friends in Lviv expressed disbelief when I told them I do not drive Ferrari - which, by their beliefs, is something every rich should do. But I don't care. Money do not matter once you have enough of them, my wife and kids are much more important to me than money. And pussy is even less important than money.

That is it. If it sounds like I'm bragging, it probably is - I was never shy. Did I fulfill my dreams? Hell yes - and now I have even more challenging dreams. Let's see how it turns in ten years.

You are what Americans should be.
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Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

Quote: (11-25-2010 07:52 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I'd like to ask question to the entire community in here, but more specificially to those of you who are successful in your global mobile lifestyle: have you noticed that as you started getting successful, leaving behind you your JOB and the rat race and started travelling the world whenever you wanted, have you noticed that some of your friends and even relatives are starting to detach themselves from you, even trying to ignore you? I've noticed this specially on my facebook page where I only have relatives and only my very best friends as I don't add anyone just for the sake of adding someone. And these people that I've know for years, some of them even I grew up with, as I am here in Asia and having the time of my life, living my life on my terms, doing the very thing that I have always wanted to do and they know that as i've shared those dreams and aspirations with them all along. I am sensing that they are indifferent, almost even ignoring me and as if I were threatening them and being a threat to them. And that's what truly baffles me. The reason I am asking and I care and I ask you guys is because these are people I've known for a long time, some of them for ever and it hurts to see them react that way to my success. If they were just one time aquaintances, I wouldn't even care nor give a flying schloof about it but relatives and friends I've known for ages, that hurts.

It's not that I got lucky and I won the lottery or that I've been trafficking drugs and doing other illegal stuff. Luck has absolutely nothing to do in that as I've worked my butt off to get to that level. I've had my fair share of hard times when I still remember the days when I only had 5 bucks in my wallet and had to decide whether to spend that on the bus ticket home from work/school or to get a snack/hot dog as I was starving and yet my pride wouldn't let me ask my parents for money even tough they would have gladly given it to me. So this is what truly baffles me: you'd expect these people that are close to you, being happy and supportive of your decisions and the way you've decided to live your life and instead, they give you the cold shoulder. I've done nothing more than making my goal of living my life on my terms a reality and going after my dreams and not follow the typical path of JOB, marriage, 2.5 kids, SUV and house in the suburbs. As the old proverb says, in life, there are 2 doors: one is called Security and the other is called Freedom. And if you opt for security, you'll lose both. I've chosen a long time ago that Freedom is what I want and aspire to. And after finally getting there, it seems from their perspective, I made the wrong choice. I mean, is it a bad thing, or worst a mistake or a crime to want to live your life the way you want and not follow the same patern as everyone else as a sheep? why can't they understand and respect that? It's not that I'm taking anything away from them. Ultimately, we all have the same opportunities in front of us, the difference being that some will go after them and others will just watch from the sidelines. So have any of you encountered the same shift in perception from the people in your life whether they'd be relatives, or long time friends after your success and them still being stuck at the JOB?And how do you cope with it, specially emotionally as that's the tougher part to take. I'd appreciate your feedbacks and would love to hear your stories on that aspect of our lifestyle.

I don't know if I buy your whole story or what but, the truth is, most people are weak and need structure to go about their day to day activities. Whether its self imposed or forced on them, they choose to follow the beaten path that other people have already followed before them. Your choices are a reminder of what they've given up. Their freedom. Your choices prevent them from being able to be happy for you (if you truly are happy) because, like most people, they are small and your success is considered by them to be unworthy of you. On some level they understand this is wrong but, they can't help themselves and rather than openly not like you, they disassociate themselves from you because it's easier. Of course, you could just be running your mouth on you status updates about how great your life is all the time and that's just plain fucking annoying.
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#57

Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

VP what you describe is simply hating on the part of your friends. It takes a true friend to be happy for your successes and I find this is the minority. If I experience some success/good news I'm now careful who I share this with as I've learned I don't get the reaction I expect from many friends by way of facial expression which doesn't hide anything
i..e they will say 'that's great' while they look like they've been hit in the solar plexus...
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#58

Lifestyles of the New "Rich"

Quote: (11-30-2010 03:11 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

Quote: (11-25-2010 07:52 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

have you noticed that some of your friends and even relatives are starting to detach themselves from you, even trying to ignore you?

Just recently, my best friend from college (7-8 years), simply stopped talking to me. I suspect this is part due to my lifestyle taking off but also to the relation I have with women. I am much more successful with the agente féminine, in fact the last time I talked to him by phone, there was a girl resting on my shoulder that he could hear, and she was one hottie we had both seen in a club previous weekend. So a combination of those two type of success can be a really crude test to friendship.

True but are you rubbing your success in his nose? I don't see a situation where I'd take a call from a guy friend while a girl was on me. I either call him back or go to another room.
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