[sixsix]

Kanye West is an interesting case for sure.

He is fucking successful. He has made many, many great songs. With many great albums he's not just some one hit wonder. He really does have a unique and innovative artistic vision. He's excellent at keeping the spotlight on himself and his hustle, whether you respect the form or not, has made him unbelievably much cash.

Now, the thing about Kanye is that he seems so beta. He reminds me of my younger self: He was raised by his mom and is pretty feminized, I'm sure he used to pee while sitting down. He was always so uncomfortable with his masculinity that now his ego is in overdrive, proving to the world but mostly to himself that he's a man. The top dog, the biggest and baddest. Kanye still feels like that soft spoken, sensitive boy inside.

It's classical arrogance versus self-confidence. He desperately craves the external validation because he didn't grow up with the belief in his own power, he only got that when he became famous and admired. For me personally, it took me a while to realize my deep-down psychology and grow out of that. Because I have to if I want to become successful. Kanye doesn't and so won't.

[TravelerKai]

David Banner got in trouble for rocking that damn flag in a music video many years ago. He was serious about it too. Thing is, he is from Mississippi, unlike Kanye. Kanye wearing that is doing it 100% as a publicity stunt, like a little girl pissed off he is not getting attention. He is so effeminate it's frustrating to even look at him. He should have been in the How the mighty have fallen thread, by his own damn self.

Thank God Kanye is not a great Wide Receiver in the NFL. He would be worse than Terrell Owens and Randy Moss times 100.

[Mage]

The truth is that if you are a pop star then you must be an attention whore. Because popularity and attention kinda overlap, you know.

[Rangarr]

(02-10-2015 12:53 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

1. Who the fuck is Beck today? Who cares if he was good ten years ago.. Give him credit for then. His relevance is not the same. I'm not trying to put him down as an artistic, but in terms of numbers
I'm not a Beyonce fan.. But don't try to downplay that she isn't an artist.
I'm not saying that damn near every artist doesn't have a team of writers... But she still puts in more than enough work.
Pop culturally and music culturally, she has made much more of an impact.

2. Kanye is a loser.... Kanye is doing better than you

3. Kanye has no talent.. Kanye has 21 Grammy's

4. Kanye is a coward... Kanye is the most outspoken artist out right now.

Kanye is an attention whore... His brand makes money off his words..


*... On another note. You see how Kim was looking at him while he was talking ..
Bet when she walked off , there was a puddle underneath her..

lol why do you have to be such a Kanye nuthugger, you won't get a cookie from him. He's a childish clown and can't stop throwing tantrums. Oh but he has money, so what, so do many other people who behave like clowns. If you adore him then that's plain pitiful, I'll honestly never get it. Liking his music, ok whatever people have different tastes, but I can't grasp why people nuthug him so much

[UroboricForms]

I liked this guy's music in about 2007. Since then he's basically become an occasionally amusing spectacle, but now he's repeating his own jokes. And wifing up a pro athlete and another rapper's sloppy seconds? The fuck? Plastic badman.

[Deluge]

(02-10-2015 06:09 AM)UroboricForms Wrote:  

I liked this guy's music in about 2007. Since then he's basically become an occasionally amusing spectacle, but now he's repeating his own jokes. And wifing up a pro athlete and another rapper's sloppy seconds? The fuck? Plastic badman.

Have you listened to Dark Fantasy or Yeezus? Those two are easily his best albums, and some of the best albums to have come out in the last 5 years period, Kanye isn't the greatest rapper in the world but he is one of the best producers for sure. Don't get me wrong Kanye is a dipshit personally and a moron for marrying Kim, but I'm pretty keen for his new album out this year. Though I doubt he'll be able to top what Kendrick's got in the works.

(02-10-2015 03:10 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Kanye is more feminine than Drake.

That is a big call.

[bojangles]

He's a closet faggot and that's why he's an attention whore.

[R Smoov]

How did Tenacious D beat bands like Mastodon, Mötorhead and Slipknot is beyond me.

[Rangarr]

(02-10-2015 06:54 AM)R Smoov Wrote:  

How did Tenacious D beat bands like Mastodon, Mötorhead and Slipknot is beyond me.

Because they beat Satan with the Greatest Song In The World once.

[SteveMcMahon]

(02-10-2015 01:33 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  

What I don't get is why is Kanye white-knighting for Beyoncé?

Why does any white knight climb aloft his trusty steed?

I don't know much about Kanye West or Beyonce, but I bet he's a Nice Guy in her orbit. If he wasn't a rich, famous singer, he'd probably be getting fitted for a fedora and trying to befriend her on Facebook.

Somehow I doubt Jay Z kisses her arse.

[Lizard King]

Kanye used to be a relatively unknown producer making beats for Jay-z, Camron, and other artists under Jay-z's label, at a time when JZ was building solidly upon his initial success in the music industry. I don't think it is wild to suggest he(Kanye) might have been envious of the rappers he was working for, particularly JZ.

He has always been in Jay-Z's shadow, and this clearly bothers his ego. JZ has nothing to prove musically or in terms of success. Kanye is constantly trying to prove his worth in very brash, immature ways. JZ married Beyonce, so Kanye had to wife up an 'apex female'.

I don't hate him, or begrudge him his success and fame, but as a person he comes across as a dick who would probably be OK if he wasn't so egotistic.

[Foolsgo1d]

If you're to ask anyone outside hollywood to name a black artist who churns out good music, Kanye would not be at the forefront of their minds.

He is a true example of needing to do ever-more outrageous stunts to keep up with his wife and make sure he doesn't end up on the scrapheap.

[Deluge]

(02-10-2015 07:37 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  

Kanye used to be a relatively unknown producer making beats for Jay-z, Camron, and other artists under Jay-z's label, at a time when JZ was building solidly upon his initial success in the music industry. I don't think it is wild to suggest he(Kanye) might have been envious of the rappers he was working for, particularly JZ.

He has always been in Jay-Z's shadow, and this clearly bothers his ego. JZ has nothing to prove musically or in terms of success. Kanye is constantly trying to prove his worth in very brash, immature ways. JZ married Beyonce, so Kanye had to wife up an 'apex female'.

I don't hate him, or begrudge him his success and fame, but as a person he comes across as a dick who would probably be OK if he wasn't so egotistic.

Never thought of it this way, you might be on to something.

(02-10-2015 08:09 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

If you're to ask anyone outside hollywood to name a black artist who churns out good music, Kanye would not be at the forefront of their minds.

He is a true example of needing to do ever-more outrageous stunts to keep up with his wife and make sure he doesn't end up on the scrapheap.

If anything it's the opposite. The only reason anybody in the music world tolerates him is because of his output. He's put out half a dozen solo albums so far and has yet to drop the ball, even 808's was pretty decent as a pop record. That level of consistency is pretty damn rare even for acclaimed artists, Jay-Z being a good example. If Kanye wasn't putting out good music his peers would be treating him like they treat Justin Bieber.

[Foolsgo1d]

Kanye is the black Justin Bieber in every which way. He just makes music for a different type of consumer

JB has millions, does that make his brand world beating and we should say he is a brilliant artist the same way some jumped up fanboy of Beyonce claims her to be?

No, no it does not.

Millions do not make an artist. It means they pander to a large majority who have cash to waste and few braincells to operate with. I'm sure Taylor Swifts shake it off, the fat acceptance All about That Bass and Call Me Maybe were wonderful examples of talent and not an artist creating a catchy tune which millions like.

Does not mean they are great artists.

[scorpion]

I really have a hard time understanding how people take Kanye West seriously. Everything about him screams circus clown. The fact that he is actually a role model to millions of people, including men on this board who should know better, is flabbergasting, depressing, and an indicator of how pathetic our culture has become. Everything about the guy is a joke, from the way he dresses (like an idiot), to how he conducts himself in the media (like a child), to his penchant for drama (like a woman) to his marriage to fellow media whore Kim Kardashian (a fitting match). The fact that he is constantly putting himself over as a genius musician also shows what a total buffoon he is compared to other greats, who let their art speak for itself and don't have to go around tooting their own horns. Anyone who looks at Kanye West with admiration and respect has about as much good sense as people who go to professional wrestling matches to see a real fight. Both are total marks. Utterly delusional and out of touch with reality.

And I don't say all this as a cranky old man who hates rap music. I like some old school rap by guys like Big L, Tupac, Bone Thugs and Wu Tang. Kanye West is a fucking clown and a nitwit compared to them. He would have been laughed out of the rap game back then with his histrionic, insecure, feminine behavior. The fact that he's an icon today just shows you how feminized our culture has become in the past twenty years.

[Aphex]

The dude's a total fucking chode. Take away his music and what do you end up with? Not much worth mentioning.

[Deluge]

Where is anybody on here calling Justin Bieber an artist, or Kanye West a role model?

Speaking of "the blacker the berry" let's not forget Pac made the biggest white knight track of all time.

And then there's this:

But you can still separate the gay shit and enjoy the rest of his work.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(02-10-2015 05:43 AM)Mage Wrote:  

The truth is that if you are a pop star then you must be an attention whore. Because popularity and attention kinda overlap, you know.

Yes, because the nature of the game, which is mostly played online via social media, is that the most outrageous and outspoken are noticed and rewarded.

Think about how many recording artists/hollywood personalities who owe their careers to social media buzz directly generated from Youtube videos. There are no more Motown's willing to recruit & groom upcoming acts. Before a company will put money behind you, they want to know that you have a dedicated audience. Obviously, this leads to more attention whoring even more so for an established artist who's trying to keep their spot.

Talent and merit are an afterthought, companies and sponsors want to know how many fucking hits your website has gotten in the last 24 hours.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

I find myself thinking 'Hey where did so and so disappear to?' or 'I wonder why such and such doesn't put out more shit'

Then I remember the new model industry that we have, many of those artists I reflect on have elected not to 'play the game'

So what happens is that they drop out of sight along with their legacies

[Sanji]

(02-10-2015 08:09 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

If you're to ask anyone outside hollywood to name a black artist who churns out good music, Kanye would not be at the forefront of their minds.

You're wrong.

Very wrong.

[samsamsam]

(02-10-2015 05:36 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Thank God Kanye is not a great Wide Receiver in the NFL. He would be worse than Terrell Owens and Randy Moss times 100.

Classic and 100 percent true.

[Aphex]

He's a beta bitch male to the fullest extent. I mean think about it, he made a slut his wife, named his fucking kid North West, and acts like an attention grabbing bitch every single chance he can get. Now he's white knighting another guys wife. He's a fucking chump.

[Sourcecode]

(02-10-2015 08:09 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

If you're to ask anyone outside hollywood to name a black artist who churns out good music, Kanye would not be at the forefront of their minds.

He is a true example of needing to do ever-more outrageous stunts to keep up with his wife and make sure he doesn't end up on the scrapheap.

It appears that you don't know much on this subject.
Everyone in the industry give's Kanye high marks as an artist..Its harder to find an artist that is against Kanye...especially black artist.
Considering he has sampled, been influenced and influenced music for the last ten plus years.

Hell..He even has work with annd or acknowledges well known artist outside of hiphop
Bob Dilon, Adele,Sergio Pizzorno,Led Zepplin and even recently Paul McCartney

(02-10-2015 10:10 AM)Aphex Wrote:  

The dude's a total fucking chode. Take away his music and what do you end up with? Not much worth mentioning.

Take away HIS music..
He still is a renowned producer, organizer
Owns a food LLC along with restaurant chain right.
Has designed shoes with Louis Vuitton, Nike,Adidas and multiple other companies.
Also part of multiple high fashion lines

Has participated multiple fundraisers from hurricane Katrina to helping veterans with PTSD

Again..I'm not even a big fan of his.. but in comparison, what is everyone else doing?

[LouEvilSlugger]

^ no wonder Kanye was raised by a single mom like most rappers.

[speakeasy]

(02-10-2015 11:20 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Again..I'm not even a big fan of his.. but in comparison, what is everyone else doing?

So you can't criticize someone's outlandish behavior unless you are doing better than him?