[Frank Mackey]

I really wonder how you guys open groups of two girls when rolling solo... Does it hurt so much to have one or two like minded friends (not a platoon of course) going out with you, sharing some beers and laughs, and maximising the chances of contacts with girls, as well as giving any (sensible) help that may be necessary?

[Therapsid]

(11-01-2013 09:34 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

I really wonder how you guys open groups of two girls when rolling solo...

It's easy.

Groups of two girls are your prime targets.

They're waiting for guys to approach.

Think about it - why would two girls go to a bar or club to hangout anyway? To talk? To have a couple overpriced drinks?

They're putting themselves on the market.

They want guys to talk to them! Why do you think girls end up hitting on bartenders? It's not just because of their status, it's because guys are diddling around holding their beers up to their chest, looking at their cell phones.

[JohnKreese]

As much as I love going solo, one of the best ways, in my opinion, to do it is to be meeting up with friends at a later hour and leaving yourself solo for an hour or two. You have that confidence that you're meeting people later, you're excited to meet the people later, which puts you in a great mood for when you're by yourself.

...this works best BEFORE meeting a girl on a date

[mikado]

(11-01-2013 09:42 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 09:34 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

I really wonder how you guys open groups of two girls when rolling solo...

It's easy.

Groups of two girls are your prime targets.

They're waiting for guys to approach.

Think about it - why would two girls go to a bar or club to hangout anyway? To talk? To have a couple overpriced drinks?

They're putting themselves on the market.

They want guys to talk to them! Why do you think girls end up hitting on bartenders? It's not just because of their status, it's because guys are diddling around holding their beers up to their chest, looking at their cell phones.

Oh god, this 101%

Decided adopting this too, for the next nights out. When I got SNL, it was that very scenario (me rolling dolo, target with her only friend)

PS: How to do it when it's obvious they are two girls, but surrounded by chodes on the dancefloor and them attention whoring? I see this sometimes, and no one can make them dance with him.

[The Beast1]

Riding solo is alright, but that puts me in the wrong mindset. I go out to have fun and it's easier to have fun with a buddy next to me.

When I rode solo, it put me into "hunter" mode and for some reason I struggled to break out of that. I have more fun with a good bud by my side. I have an older gent in his 40s I go to the bars with. He's gay which is perfect, but nonetheless he's a good friend.

I get more lays when I am out having fun and not "prowling".

[Travesty]

Surpised no one mentioned getting approached by women as one of the top reasons for going out alone.

I get approached at least once a night out by myself. When I am with anyone else, man or woman, almost never.

I find girls to become extremely comfortable in approaching if you are right next to their friend group all by yourself. You need to look like you have the comfort of hosting a house party in your own living room though.

I get approached the most when I feel like all the strangers in the venue are my guests and I am the host.

[James 2013]

Yes. Exactly. Solo you have more girls approaching you, period. Also what is with the mindset that you need a "home base" when you go solo? Are you that insecure that you need a group to retreat to after failed approaches? Cmon. Best plan is to stay on the move when running solo.

[kenny_powers]

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[Travesty]

If you are in the right mindset even your failed approaches will not blow out when you are alone. If you have it down worst case you come off as affable and they are flattered. Blow outs are usually due to bad preselection, mixed with a bad approach.

In fact girls you fail with the right way should be social proofing you by being friendly the rest of the night. Other women notice this. Going to a home base to stew and recollect means you haven't been rejected enough. Not all guys stew, but many beginners can, I know I did which is why I mention it as a possible pitfall. It is not truly yet a Game to you.

Some guys advocate sticking through tough approaches. I agree for beginners. As I get more experienced I find if my preselection or approach is off I don't force the rest of the approach grasping at straws, I turn on the friendliness and try to move out quickly to at least gain some social proof instead of blowing out. You need to go to target rich environments so no one girl matters.

[shotgun]

It really depends on your type of personality, but, for me, solo has been the way to go for two years already. And this has nothing to do with my friends aging out of the club scene, getting engaged/married, etc.

I just avoid going out with a wingman unless he's very easy going and has game that is as good as mine. I just don't have the patience anymore to deal with all the drama that comes with a bad or mediocre wingman. Groups are allright, as long as they understand you're there to pick up women, or they will drag your game down, too.

I'm an introvert and like going out and getting laid on my own terms. I don't need someone to put me in a talking mood - a couple of drinks will do that.

That said, I don't deny that rolling solo is much much tougher in venues where social circle plays big, like on semi-private parties. At clubs though, it's easy.

[AneroidOcean]

I'm not sure why this is even considered a point of contention. It's game 101 that solo is better for you in a variety of ways. Is this not the RooshVForum where Roosh is one of the biggest proponents of setting off on your own?

[R Smoov]

You know why I like to go to parties solo? Because you can't trust the people you roll with sometimes. There is no loyalty in night game here.

I've seen this occasion happen too many times here. Freshman guy pregames with girls. They all get ready to go out. Freshman dude gets rejected entrance into a frat party. So the girls he was with just roll in the party giving no fucks about him or say "sorry".

I dream of having a wingman team so I can learn game more.

Till then I roll by myself because you cant trust these hoes and you cant trust these chodes.

[The Beast1]

(11-01-2013 05:15 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Surpised no one mentioned getting approached by women as one of the top reasons for going out alone.

I get approached at least once a night out by myself. When I am with anyone else, man or woman, almost never.

I find girls to become extremely comfortable in approaching if you are right next to their friend group all by yourself. You need to look like you have the comfort of hosting a house party in your own living room though.

I get approached the most when I feel like all the strangers in the venue are my guests and I am the host.

Interesting, i've only had this happen a few times when i've left my group to hit the bar solo. The girls have some pretty aggressive lines, but it's game on.

Good pro tip.

[Que enspastic]

My thanks to this thread.


All my mates were unavailable last night. I wanted to go out. I thought, what would Roosh V Forum tell me to do?


Went out. Rolled solo dolo, got laid.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-02-2013 09:46 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

My thanks to this thread.


All my mates were unavailable last night. I wanted to go out. I thought, what would Roosh V Forum tell me to do?


Went out. Rolled solo dolo, got laid.

Smooth.

[Indefatigable]

This is another thing that I think needs to be revisited.

I have been going out solo for years, and I think that it now hurting my game significantly. The thing is that I am often going to the same spots, and people have started to notice. Seeing someone always solo makes people start to wonder about you. One chick recently approached me and asked me what's wrong with me. I said "What?" And she said there has to be something wrong with me if I am out by myself. I'm positive that she had seen me somewhere before, maybe even that same bar.

So I've started to feel self-conscious when I go to certain spots when I am out solo.

I agree that talking to everybody helps, but these dudes at the venues I normally go to are not the easiest people to randomly chat up -- not for a brother anyway.

[Que enspastic]

^ Go somewhere busy. Mix it up. Don't keep going to the same quiet bar by yourself.

[NYJ]

(11-02-2013 03:28 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

^ Go somewhere busy. Mix it up. Don't keep going to the same quiet bar by yourself.

Yes you have to definitely mix it up. I'm pretty observant and after while I can pick out the same people, even the ones who are solo.

Also, the proper response with that chick's is either "and?" or "why". I would had said "People who need to be out with other people are boring".

[Therapsid]

(11-02-2013 03:13 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

This is another thing that I think needs to be revisited.

I have been going out solo for years, and I think that it now hurting my game significantly. The thing is that I am often going to the same spots, and people have started to notice. Seeing someone always solo makes people start to wonder about you. One chick recently approached me and asked me what's wrong with me. I said "What?" And she said there has to be something wrong with me if I am out by myself. I'm positive that she had seen me somewhere before, maybe even that same bar.

So I've started to feel self-conscious when I go to certain spots when I am out solo.

I agree that talking to everybody helps, but these dudes at the venues I normally go to are not the easiest people to randomly chat up -- not for a brother anyway.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been there and it basically means you've got to work on your game and social skills.

The bartenders should be giving you warm handshakes when you arrive. You should have guys and girls tapping on your shoulder to say hi.

And even if none of these things are happening, you should be able to initiate them yourself any given night.

Anyway, for now, like other guys have said, go somewhere else.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-02-2013 04:35 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 03:13 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

This is another thing that I think needs to be revisited.

I have been going out solo for years, and I think that it now hurting my game significantly. The thing is that I am often going to the same spots, and people have started to notice. Seeing someone always solo makes people start to wonder about you. One chick recently approached me and asked me what's wrong with me. I said "What?" And she said there has to be something wrong with me if I am out by myself. I'm positive that she had seen me somewhere before, maybe even that same bar.

So I've started to feel self-conscious when I go to certain spots when I am out solo.

I agree that talking to everybody helps, but these dudes at the venues I normally go to are not the easiest people to randomly chat up -- not for a brother anyway.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been there and it basically means you've got to work on your game and social skills.

The bartenders should be giving you warm handshakes when you arrive. You should have guys and girls tapping on your shoulder to say hi.

And even if none of these things are happening, you should be able to initiate them yourself any given night.

Anyway, for now, like other guys have said, go somewhere else.

Yeah, this is not a "solo" problem.

This is a Game and Vibe problem.

When you are rolling Solo the right way, people will ask you if you own the joint.

[Vitriol]

(11-02-2013 04:35 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 03:13 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

This is another thing that I think needs to be revisited.

I have been going out solo for years, and I think that it now hurting my game significantly. The thing is that I am often going to the same spots, and people have started to notice. Seeing someone always solo makes people start to wonder about you. One chick recently approached me and asked me what's wrong with me. I said "What?" And she said there has to be something wrong with me if I am out by myself. I'm positive that she had seen me somewhere before, maybe even that same bar.

So I've started to feel self-conscious when I go to certain spots when I am out solo.

I agree that talking to everybody helps, but these dudes at the venues I normally go to are not the easiest people to randomly chat up -- not for a brother anyway.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been there and it basically means you've got to work on your game and social skills.

The bartenders should be giving you warm handshakes when you arrive. You should have guys and girls tapping on your shoulder to say hi.

And even if none of these things are happening, you should be able to initiate them yourself any given night.

Anyway, for now, like other guys have said, go somewhere else.

Even when I first started going out solo and had no idea what I was doing, the staff would always be decent to me when they started to notice me instead of asking if something was wrong. Hell, when I was younger and didn't know any better I thought they would think bad things about me but that never really happened. Maybe that's just a bad venue?

[Indefatigable]

(11-02-2013 04:35 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 03:13 PM)Indefatigable Wrote:  

This is another thing that I think needs to be revisited.

I have been going out solo for years, and I think that it now hurting my game significantly. The thing is that I am often going to the same spots, and people have started to notice. Seeing someone always solo makes people start to wonder about you. One chick recently approached me and asked me what's wrong with me. I said "What?" And she said there has to be something wrong with me if I am out by myself. I'm positive that she had seen me somewhere before, maybe even that same bar.

So I've started to feel self-conscious when I go to certain spots when I am out solo.

I agree that talking to everybody helps, but these dudes at the venues I normally go to are not the easiest people to randomly chat up -- not for a brother anyway.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been there and it basically means you've got to work on your game and social skills.

The bartenders should be giving you warm handshakes when you arrive. You should have guys and girls tapping on your shoulder to say hi.

And even if none of these things are happening, you should be able to initiate them yourself any given night.

Anyway, for now, like other guys have said, go somewhere else.

It may partly be me, but it's partly the city I am in right now (Toronto) too. There is one place where I am mostly warmly received, but not the others. Even bartenders are not the friendliest people here; it's not like the states. Maybe it also has to do with the fact that the venue, though small, has a mostly different crowd on every weekend.

[Walderschmidt]

This is a great thread if not to reaffirm why I do things solo and to learn new things about it!

Thanks OP for spawning this discussion.

Wald

[Frank Mackey]

(11-01-2013 09:42 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 09:34 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

I really wonder how you guys open groups of two girls when rolling solo...

It's easy.

Groups of two girls are your prime targets.

They're waiting for guys to approach.

Think about it - why would two girls go to a bar or club to hangout anyway? To talk? To have a couple overpriced drinks?

They're putting themselves on the market.

They want guys to talk to them! Why do you think girls end up hitting on bartenders? It's not just because of their status, it's because guys are diddling around holding their beers up to their chest, looking at their cell phones.

But that's precisely my point... Those are the ones I wan't to hit on, but how do I do this alone?

Last time I went out solo (not quite, my friends left home earlier and I wanted to stay more), I decided to hit on two hot Lithuanian girls that told me they were spending the weekend in the city and leaving in one day. Great news, they're definitely looking for fun!

I was able to have a few drinks with them, change venue to a club, start making out with one of them, but the other ended up alone, and unfortunately no one in the disco (that was not an idiot, damn ugly and/or completely drunk) would start talking to her. She got tired, and told her friend to go home. I tried to convince my girl to stay, but in these situations (specially when they are abroad), chances are very high that she will not leave her friend alone.

Could I have done something different to avoid this? Surely... I could have tried to hipnotize her, or try a threesome... But unfortunately I am not Mystery or the Super-Man.

Wouldn't it be easier if I was with another friend? At least I would have a choice here, instead of relying on random occurrences in this club regarding the other chick.

That was my point.

[aphelion]

When you're rolling dolo, you're not. Because all of RVF rolls with you.