[jakester318]

I think it depends on the dude. Some guys absolutely cannot make it here given their mental frame of mind and their raw ability to connect with American women. They either self-destruct because of that or they set their sights on landing a LTR with a foreigner.

Guys who are not in that situation and have some success here still feel the pull because the women here largely suck and who can blame a guy for trying his luck overseas for whatever their interests are. I put myself in this camp because although I have success with women here I still cannot deal with many of the women I meet.

But I will say this. It's probably better to try and find a girl here who is 1st or 2nd generation American with a good family upbringing. I've lived all over the U.S. and I think there are good girls here that have many of the values their families brought with them here and inculcated their daughters with. Obviously, some girls lose that and eat the bad pill. But there are good women here...it's just harder to find them. Some types of females I've met here which are really feminine are Mexican, Philippina, Polish, and Italian. But you can find shitstain women in those countries as well. To me it all comes down to the values the women chose to adopt and the strength of their nuclear family. In general, if you meet a girl who came from a really fucked up home environment, odds are she will be fucked up too.

Just my observation.

[Nomad77]

Yes, that's a part of it. I have no problem picking up American women - that's the easy part. I just have a problem finding one I actually want to spend time with.

For me, 95% of the time, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

[Vitriol]

(10-13-2013 03:53 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

If you were born and grew up in America, you will understand and be able to relate to American women better. For example, that model I wrote about here http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28172.html This girl loves football, she talks about it all the time, want to watch the games etc. I don't know anything about football because I didn't grow up here. I also don't watch TV, she's got all these shows she watches and talks about, that I have no idea about. It really comes down to you and your personality. I don't fit into American culture so relating to the women is so much more difficult. I can relate to a non-English speaking European or South American girl better than I can to an American girl. So while Miami may be more difficult than other cities, for me, this is a US problem. Also, to me, even the attractive American girls I find unattractive because they are just so masculine. They may dress sexy but everything else about them is masculine.

I don't think the reason you find American women unappealing is a cultural one. A lot of the guys on this forum are men who have lived in America pretty much their entire lives but have complaints similar to yours. At a deeper, instinctual level, I think all men find the big attitudes, big egos, and cold masculinity of American women unappealing because it isn't feminine. A couple generations of social conditioning isn't going to undo what our hindbrains have responded to for thousands of years.

Regarding the excessive talk about television shows, that's why I made a point of addressing how isolating it is in my previous post. All the women I know are keeping tabs on tons of garbage television that I've never even heard of. When I asked myself where they're getting the time to do all of this, that's when I realized they're spending a vast majority of their free time just being on their asses in front of the TV. Marketers in American have long known that women consume more television than men and that's why advertising caters to them so much. I'm sure one of the reasons it's difficult for guys to meet women here is the sheer amount of time they spend isolated watching TV instead of going out and doing things that put them in proximity to men.

[speakeasy]

(10-13-2013 05:44 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 03:53 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

If you were born and grew up in America, you will understand and be able to relate to American women better. For example, that model I wrote about here http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28172.html This girl loves football, she talks about it all the time, want to watch the games etc. I don't know anything about football because I didn't grow up here. I also don't watch TV, she's got all these shows she watches and talks about, that I have no idea about. It really comes down to you and your personality. I don't fit into American culture so relating to the women is so much more difficult. I can relate to a non-English speaking European or South American girl better than I can to an American girl. So while Miami may be more difficult than other cities, for me, this is a US problem. Also, to me, even the attractive American girls I find unattractive because they are just so masculine. They may dress sexy but everything else about them is masculine.

I don't think the reason you find American women unappealing is a cultural one. A lot of the guys on this forum are men who have lived in America pretty much their entire lives but have complaints similar to yours. At a deeper, instinctual level, I think all men find the big attitudes, big egos, and cold masculinity of American women unappealing because it isn't feminine. A couple generations of social conditioning isn't going to undo what our hindbrains have responded to for thousands of years.

Regarding the excessive talk about television shows, that's why I made a point of addressing how isolating it is in my previous post. All the women I know are keeping tabs on tons of garbage television that I've never even heard of. When I asked myself where they're getting the time to do all of this, that's when I realized they're spending a vast majority of their free time just being on their asses in front of the TV. Marketers in American have long known that women consume more television than men and that's why advertising caters to them so much. I'm sure one of the reasons it's difficult for guys to meet women here is the sheer amount of time they spend isolated watching TV instead of going out and doing things that put them in proximity to men.

I totally feel you on this. I really don't have any connection to American pop culture. I don't watch television AT ALL. I rarely go to the movies. May Netflix or rent something if a girl is over, but I'm not compelled to run out and see all the latest blockbusters. I don't watch sports. I don't keep up with celebrity gossip and who is dating who, it just doesn't interest me. I'm not interested in watching the MTV or AMA music awards or any of that stuff people like to discuss around a water cooler. I think this is one of the reasons that talking to a foreign woman can be like a breath of fresh air. She doesn't have any of those cultural references to talk about, so we can talk about other things.

[bacon]

Interesting thread. Some great posts on here.

I actually agree strongly with Nomad77 because before I started work in an office post college I already had lived abroad for a year in southern europe and asia plus lots of travel in SA. After my time abroad I had trouble connecting with my office peers and their TV, sports, materialism obsessions and I also found I hated spending time around American women(I made do with dating foreign women). I lasted about 2 years in the US post college and have been abroad since then some 4 years now. Like VV I will do everything in my power to make it work abroad because it is vital to my happiness. One of the reasons I can connect so well with the members of this forum is because I dont feel like I have to explain why I choose to live as an expat. Its very hard to explain to people why I like country X more than the US because most people are so worried that they could be making the wrong decisions about their life it is very uncomfortable for someone else to tell them a new life in Country X might be better than life in the US. Everyone needs to find their way in the world but I consider myself blessed to have experienced the benefits of life abroad at an early age as I couldn´t imagine having to wait to by 40´s or 50´s to discover LA, SEA and Europe.

[Nomad77]

All of my energy now is going into setting up an income stream that will allow me to live abroad for most of year. I find it so much more enjoyable just talking to European girls on the computer than going on dates with American girls. When it comes to American women the bottom line for me, is that they TAKE but give very little in return. Their idea of giving is buying you lunch or dinner once in awhile - like I need that shit. I just feel from the approach to the orgasm and even after, I am just giving, giving, giving and not getting much in return. I once asked an American girl how does she feel about using men to buy her dinner and take her places when she knows she has no interest in them? She goes, they get to have the pleasure of my company in return. I cannot even begin to imagine what kind of man find her company a pleasure but obviously some do. Quite frankly I don't even enjoy banging most American girls because they are so unfeminine.

I weep for my friends here in the US. Every time I return, it breaks my heart to experience what they have to live with.

[Nomad77]

And just so you guys don't think I am crying sour grapes because I don't meet nice girls. Here are two American girls I met and was hanging out with in South Beach recently. They are fairly representative of the level of girls I meet. That little one was like one of those little dogs, constantly jumping on me - she was irritating. And these girls are actually from NY not Miami but same shit mostly. Most of the time, I don't say much, just listen. The conversations are usually them talking 90% of the time and me just agreeing.

[Therapsid]

(10-15-2013 12:16 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

And just so you guys don't think I am crying sour grapes because I don't meet nice girls. Here are two American girls I met and was hanging out with in South Beach recently. They are fairly representative of the level of girls I meet. That little one was like one of those little dogs, constantly jumping on me - she was irritating. And these girls are actually from NY not Miami but same shit mostly. Most of the time, I don't say much, just listen. The conversations are usually them talking 90% of the time and me just agreeing.

Girl's a beauty. Just my type. Was she another taker, is that what you're saying?

Personally I'm a taker, like most guys on here.

[Nomad77]

I haven't met an American girl, in the past few years, that I did not have to practically manipulate into giving anything meaningful in return. These particular girls wanted to just party and have fun. They came down from NY for the weekend. Now I understand quite a few guys may find it very appealing to be "partying" with these girls but while I found them physically attractive enough their personalities was a big turn off. If I didn't have to listen to these girls for hours and interact with them I would probably be able to fool myself into liking them enough to enjoy the sex. But even the sex is very...how can I put it, it's sort of like banging a hooker - not really any emotions and just this fake sort of enjoyment. To me America is like a big party that everybody is "pretending" to be having fun at. You have to be on drugs to enjoy this shit and most of the time they are!

[Nomad77]

Now let me give you a comparison. South Beach, Russian girl, here for eight months. Have an American boyfriend. Met her with her girlfriend. Takes time to talk to me, actually asked me questions and was interested in the response. Insisted that I share their BIG drink, was feminine, friendly, and engaging - a joy to spend time with! (She is not more beautiful than the American girls yet their are miles apart in attractiveness for me.)

PS Wear no bra but puts pasties on so her nipples don't show through her clothes

[Samseau]

Nomad, I am with you but there is a catch to this - if you can get a good girl, with good values, from a good family, in America, then you literally have the best of all possible worlds. A great country, a great girl, and great $$$$.

But, like you said, finding a quality girl in America is a painstaking process. Right now I find good relationship material once every 2 years or so. It's so much fucking work.

I think at some point, all men will say, "Fuck it," and just pack their shit and leave, even if it means having to deal with culture shock.

[Nomad77]

Yep, I agree, they do exist. The last "good girl" I met was from a small town in Kentucky that was on vacation in Miami and I have personally had two great American girlfriends BUT this was over 8 years ago. Every year, it seems to gets worse...

[el mechanico]

(10-16-2013 10:11 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Yep, I agree, they do exist. The last "good girl" I met was from a small town in Kentucky that was on vacation in Miami and I have personally had two great American girlfriends BUT this was over 8 years ago. Every year, it seems to gets worse...

Also Florida is a cesspool and the girls that move here get distorted quick so..If you want a datable girl here look hard at the spanish girls and leave the white skanks alone, Russian, latvian. Ukriane girls in FL are way more trouble than they're worth also...I don't like the shitty food they cook anyway...

[Nomad77]

Yes, South Florida do seem to attract to the nut cases and after a year here the foreign girls can become just as bad as the American ones.

[el mechanico]

(10-16-2013 10:33 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Yes, South Florida do seem to attract to the nut cases and after a year here the foreign girls can become just as bad as the American ones.

Not American. This transformation does not happen like it will here in other states except maybe CA. That's why spanish for the win in Florida because they operate in their own communities with some values that white people lose when they come here.

[Flint]

(10-12-2013 12:07 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  

Political issues and problems with women aside, one of the worst things about the U.S. for me is the fact that once everyone gets past college age and starts working, they pretty much just go to work and crash in front of the TV on their free time which is extremely isolating. Once you get to your mid to late 20s it's pretty much impossible to have close friends unless they're your co-workers. Everyone just kind of has their own little bubble and that's it.

Even if you try to attend bullshit like networking or singles events it seems like the interaction is really forced and everyone is just trying to manipulate each other or show off how much better they are.

No difference to Western Europe and probably many other parts of the world. As you grow older, you become self-complacent and more close-minded. Inertia and a lower drive to socialize with new people are the natural consequences.

I even daresay that it is easier to make new friends at an advanced age in the US than in Europe. America despite all of its grave flaws still possesses a distinct civic culture that gives you a fair chance as a newcomer and that allows you to excite people with good ideas. For instance: Coming from a country where small talk is often frowned upon, I think the general "chit chat"-culture I experienced in the US has an intrinsic value that translates into social dynamics that you can't get in Sweden, Germany, Poland or Russia. In these countries people are more openly suspicious of each other whereas I found it a thousand times easier to quickly integrate into social circles in the US.

Nonetheless, I can only repeat what others have said earlier: Don't immigrate to another country just because of the women. Thousands of stunning models in Belarus and Ukraine while you have set up your location independent business? Fine, but it won't make everything better when corruption, bad infrastructure, shitty weather, boring provincial culture and unfriendly people quash all quality of life.

[mr_lucky]

(10-11-2013 02:55 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

How many guys on this forum are living outside of the US? If it's more than 1% I would be in awe! You, me and Roosh are the exceptions The vast majority of men out there and on this forum, including all of my friends, won't be able to do this for one reason or another...

I live in South America and I bet it's over 1%. Though depends on how you define "living" in a given place.

[trainwreck]

(10-11-2013 09:45 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

If you want to be happy in the US, don't leave it. A lot of guys on here will tell you to go to South America, Europe, and Asia because the women are so much nicer but what do you think will happen when you return? You will be forever discontented with the women here and then what? You will be forever unhappy. The worse thing I ever did was living in Brazil and Europe. Now, it takes a tremendous effort to put up with American women. I can barely tolerate them.

There is an old saying: ignorance is bliss and it's very true. My friends that have never left this country are much happier than I am. Because this is all they know! So really, don't travel and meet foreign women, sure it will be fun while you are there but you are going to be miserable once you come back. And since you will have to live most of your life here you might as well never know what exist elsewhere because then you will just be unhappy. That knowledge that there are better women out there will forever keep you in a state of discontentment. So before you rush off to those foreign countries with their feminine women, think really hard about it. Because I can tell you, there have been many a times, I wish I had never gone and had just remained ignorant but some happy with my lot here.

There is another saying - about Brazil: there are two kinds of men, those dreaming of going there and those dreaming of returning. I was the first and now I am the second. But even Brazil is changing...

If the Russian girl is so great as you make it out to be, why was she talking to you in the first place if she's got a BF, AND she's smoking. Looks like you have a bit of "pink goggles" as us German speaking people say.

There's this weird feeling about US Americans that no matter where they'll go, they'll have to eventually come back to live in America. I don't get it. America isn't THAT great besides the possibility to make insane amount of money (IF you are in the 1%). Everything else regarding standart of living, for example, is easily outrun by Europe.

[Nomad77]

@trainwreck It all comes down to how you choose to define what a great girl is. If for you a great girl is a honorable virgin then ok. A great girl to me is one whose company I can enjoy and who is not completely self-centered. And, I consider Germany my first home, even my first girlfriend was German

[Nomad77]

@Mech Well, Moma has moved up to your neck of the woods so I should be visiting you guys shortly.

[tiggaling]

Ignorance is not bliss. It is just not knowing any better.

I think Sashadaygame did a youtube video a while ago, saying that once you go to Russia you are fucked. Once you've flown first class, why would you pay three times as much to fly 3rd class on the chicken plane? Hen pecked and bitten to death for a bit of dry meat.

Out of Russia, sometimes it is longish stints between meeting Russian girls, yet my internal reaction is always the same: "This is how it is supposed to BE!"