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#76

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Just ordered 90 200mg tablets a few days ago, should be here next week!

@Sourcecode- interesting recommendation. I've tried basic piracetam in the past, it definitely works, but I found for me I needed very low dosages as it made me jittery and nervous. Most people report positive results from the racetam family of nootropics though.

Has anyone tried BODYQUICK? It's the stuff Tim Ferriss used to sell, he mentions it in 4HWW. Its really effective but in my opinion overpriced and you develop a tolerance to it very quickly.

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#77

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for u guys in canada, all u have to do to get some modafinal is go to your doctor and complain about shift work sleep disorder or something similar. I got a 30 day supply for $40 to just check it out (without h insurance). That being said, I only ever felt the effects the first several days, a kind of clear energy that lasted most of the day, although it didn't really help me focus. After about 4 days on 200mg I can't even tell the difference between days when I take it and days that I don't. Thinking off trying out 300mg in a couple days..
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#78

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Anyone ever try Adrafinil? It's metabolized in vivo to Modafinil and legal for purchase. Wondering if the effects are similar. Modafinil sounds great for focus, but I wouldn't risk buying it without a legitimate prescription.
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#79

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You guys in the UK - where are you buying it from? UK based companies or are they based elsewhere?
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#80

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Early Observations:

1. You're much more aware of your surroundings, people, objects, etc.
2. You can see much better, even things that are far away, you can see the details better, as if you were closer.
3. Your patience will be thin, no time for petty bullshit, wasting time on anything.
4. If you do anything athletic, you will be much more focused, will want to acheive whatever your goal is, you'll feel like a champion.
5. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as tired.
6. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as being lazy, you'll even handle little things that you'd normally skip doing.
7. You'll not only have a desire to be doing something at all times, but you'll actually want to spend time with people, if you can't hang with someone, you'll be more likely to pick up your phone, you'll just have a desire to be communicative with someone else.
8. You will think about food, maybe even prepare food, but something will keep you from eating it.
9. You're more willing to do things that you wouldn't normally do.
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#81

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Quote: (10-01-2013 11:14 AM)Harvey Specter Wrote:  

Does anyone take it? Is it as great as I am hearing, basically like a limitless drug? I have taken adderall, but I don't love it. Any Americans order it from overseas? From what I have read the biggest risk is a customs seizure. What are your experiences?

Its safer than amphetamine or Ritalin.

If you don't like the feeling of adderall, then don't expect to enjoy modafinil...its a stimulant but perhaps a bit safer/milder.

Don't combine it with other drugs and start with a low dose.

You can probably get a doctor to give you a prescription since its considered as low addiction potential. Just tell them you have fatigue and trouble staying awake.
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#82

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Quote: (01-04-2014 12:12 PM)PizzaSult Wrote:  

You guys in the UK - where are you buying it from? UK based companies or are they based elsewhere?

http://www.pharmacygeoff-uk.md/Modafinil-200mg.html
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#83

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Quote: (01-04-2014 02:17 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Early Observations:

1. You're much more aware of your surroundings, people, objects, etc.
2. You can see much better, even things that are far away, you can see the details better, as if you were closer.
3. Your patience will be thin, no time for petty bullshit, wasting time on anything.
4. If you do anything athletic, you will be much more focused, will want to acheive whatever your goal is, you'll feel like a champion.
5. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as tired.
6. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as being lazy, you'll even handle little things that you'd normally skip doing.
7. You'll not only have a desire to be doing something at all times, but you'll actually want to spend time with people, if you can't hang with someone, you'll be more likely to pick up your phone, you'll just have a desire to be communicative with someone else.
8. You will think about food, maybe even prepare food, but something will keep you from eating it.
9. You're more willing to do things that you wouldn't normally do.

I've got to get my hands on this stuff. Sounds like a more steady version of adderall. I liked addies but coming off it after a week was a bitch.
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#84

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My half tab wore off by about 5PM after taking it at about 11AM. I had a feeling of wakefulness and ploughed through a bunch of tasks. Come 5, that was it, end of party.

Gonna try a full tab today. It's almost 8AM, I have been drinking since 9 last night and I have to get my truck fixed today.

They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety- Benjamin Franklin, as if you didn't know...
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#85

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Quote:Quote:

1. You're much more aware of your surroundings, people, objects, etc.
2. You can see much better, even things that are far away, you can see the details better, as if you were closer.
3. Your patience will be thin, no time for petty bullshit, wasting time on anything.
4. If you do anything athletic, you will be much more focused, will want to acheive whatever your goal is, you'll feel like a champion.
5. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as tired.
6. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as being lazy, you'll even handle little things that you'd normally skip doing.
7. You'll not only have a desire to be doing something at all times, but you'll actually want to spend time with people, if you can't hang with someone, you'll be more likely to pick up your phone, you'll just have a desire to be communicative with someone else.
8. You will think about food, maybe even prepare food, but something will keep you from eating it.
9. You're more willing to do things that you wouldn't normally do.

Given some of the reviews I have seen, I often wonder if the more extreme effects (heightened visual acuity, etc) are more the result of the placebo effect than an actual direct effect of the medication. Everything else is pretty much in line with what you get with any stimulant drug at sufficient dosage if you don't have a tolerance to it.

As for armodafinil, I have used it to function after long distance flights for work. I don't sleep well on aircraft, even in first class or on charter aircraft, and have to hit the ground running due to the time sensitive nature of my work. Given a family history of heart disease, amphetamines are out of the question but then again I found that the effect to be like drinking several cups of coffee but more sustained. Nothing too spectacular in my book...

By the way, armodafinil is not metabolized into modafinil but rather it simply contains only the active race of the molecule whereas modafinil contains both races. Roosh if I remember is a microbiologist by training so he may understand stereochemistry better than I do and is of course welcome to correct me if I am wrong, but the gist is that complex molecules have a three dimensional structure and you often here it referred to as "left-handed" versus "right-handed" races of the molecule (a mix of the two is referred to as "racemic"). In some chemicals, both forms are active but often you have one that is inactive (due to it not matching the shape of the target receptor sites...think trying to unlock something with the wrong key) and in some cases (like with the asthma drug albuterol) the "inactive" race actually causes most of the side effects. Sorry if I got too technical on the subject....
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#86

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Quote: (01-05-2014 03:28 AM)internationalscientist45 Wrote:  

Given some of the reviews I have seen, I often wonder if the more extreme effects (heightened visual acuity, etc) are more the result of the placebo effect than an actual direct effect of the medication.

I never go into anything expecting the most extreme outcome, but I can tell the difference between one day and another. Today feels like every other day, yesterday was like being in a zone.

It was also one of the longest days I can remember, it was as if time slowed down.
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#87

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Quote:Quote:

It was also one of the longest days I can remember, it was as if time slowed down.

Are you sure you weren't just within close proximity of my ex-wife? [Image: whip.gif]

That sense of "time slowing down" is common in people who are using stimulants of one form or another. I experienced that too while I was using these medications to counter jet lag.
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#88

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Quote: (01-04-2014 06:59 PM)BlurredLines Wrote:  

Quote: (01-04-2014 12:12 PM)PizzaSult Wrote:  

You guys in the UK - where are you buying it from? UK based companies or are they based elsewhere?

http://www.pharmacygeoff-uk.md/Modafinil-200mg.html

Thanks mate, just ordered a batch of 20. Even with the postage they come in at less than 70p a pill; sweet!

Will report back once I've trialled them.
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#89

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Quote: (01-03-2014 12:37 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Anyone ever try Adrafinil? It's metabolized in vivo to Modafinil and legal for purchase. Wondering if the effects are similar. Modafinil sounds great for focus, but I wouldn't risk buying it without a legitimate prescription.

From what I've heard this metabolization is placing quite the load onto your liver. I would not recommend it, at least not for longer periods of time.
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#90

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From the research I've done it looks like it's legal to import Modanifil for personal use here in the UK. I've read several articles stating this on Daily Mail, Reddit etc.

I also read through some of the Medicine Act, and that seemed to confirm my findings: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/67

I'm no lawyer, so don't take my word as gospel, but this has given me the confidence to order without legal ramifications.
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#91

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Quote: (01-06-2014 08:00 AM)Mr. Cameltoe Wrote:  

Quote: (01-03-2014 12:37 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Anyone ever try Adrafinil? It's metabolized in vivo to Modafinil and legal for purchase. Wondering if the effects are similar. Modafinil sounds great for focus, but I wouldn't risk buying it without a legitimate prescription.

From what I've heard this metabolization is placing quite the load onto your liver. I would not recommend it, at least not for longer periods of time.
Personally, I wouldn't take it give that it was pulled off the market in Europe for that and other issues, especially when safer medications (modafinil and armodafinil) are available.
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#92

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Okay...Moda experiment starts today. Just took 100mg about an hour ago.

Feel weirdly focused. My mind is not wandering while doing my work, whereas normally it would and I would have to make a consistent effort to remain focused.

Already taken care most items on today's to-do list. It's only 9:17am...

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#93

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quite a lot of disinformation and unrealistic expectations ITT. Modafinil removes your sense of being tired. That's it. You won't "feel different" other than not being mentally tired. It's not an amphetamine. It does its job. I suspect a lot of people who found it "did nothing" were expecting it to focus them or something like adderall, or buzz them like coke. It's not for that.
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#94

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Quote: (01-22-2014 05:34 PM)Mehor Wrote:  

quite a lot of disinformation and unrealistic expectations ITT. Modafinil removes your sense of being tired. That's it. You won't "feel different" other than not being mentally tired.

You can say how a prescription-level drug is going to affect everyone?

That's nonsense, considering that the same drug can have no effect in some people and completely different effects in others. Indeed, the entire reason there are "off label uses" for drugs is because a given drug may affect some people in ways that differ from what the drug was intended to be used for.

Moda has been used by thousands of guys and there are case reports all over the Internet about what it does; and what it does is do far more than keep people awake.
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#95

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Quote: (01-04-2014 02:17 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Early Observations:

1. You're much more aware of your surroundings, people, objects, etc.
2. You can see much better, even things that are far away, you can see the details better, as if you were closer.
3. Your patience will be thin, no time for petty bullshit, wasting time on anything.
4. If you do anything athletic, you will be much more focused, will want to acheive whatever your goal is, you'll feel like a champion.
5. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as tired.
6. You'll feel as if there's no such thing as being lazy, you'll even handle little things that you'd normally skip doing.
7. You'll not only have a desire to be doing something at all times, but you'll actually want to spend time with people, if you can't hang with someone, you'll be more likely to pick up your phone, you'll just have a desire to be communicative with someone else.
8. You will think about food, maybe even prepare food, but something will keep you from eating it.
9. You're more willing to do things that you wouldn't normally do.

Sounds like me after one week of no fap and no suppliments.
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#96

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Quote: (01-22-2014 06:21 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (01-22-2014 05:34 PM)Mehor Wrote:  

quite a lot of disinformation and unrealistic expectations ITT. Modafinil removes your sense of being tired. That's it. You won't "feel different" other than not being mentally tired.

You can say how a prescription-level drug is going to affect everyone?

That's nonsense, considering that the same drug can have no effect in some people and completely different effects in others. Indeed, the entire reason there are "off label uses" for drugs is because a given drug may affect some people in ways that differ from what the drug was intended to be used for.

Moda has been used by thousands of guys and there are case reports all over the Internet about what it does; and what it does is do far more than keep people awake.

By far the most consistent effect reported is reduction of fatigue - that is what is prescribed for after all.

There are plenty of other effects that you may find but for the most part these could be attributed to the placebo effect. Thinking that you'll be "much more aware of your surroundings", "see much better" and other effects related to focus are on the whole not corroborated by most anecdotal reports or scientific evidence, though they may still occur for a small percentage of people for a small percentage of time.

Modafinil is still a hella awesome drug though for it's price. I just bought 2 years worth just in case this stuff gets harder to get hold of, I call it my elixir of life.
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#97

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Tried to post this this morning but the internet crapped out on meh...

After 2 days of taking 100mg and one day off (today) I can report the following:

-Extremely enhanced ability to concentrate and focus. I was totally engaged in taking notes at a meeting while normally I'd be staring at a ceiling fan. The notes I took were much more organized and detailed as well.

-Felt very alert and awake. No jitters, no racing heartbeat, no "high"- just awake. Feeling lasted about 15 hours then began to fade, though both days I was awake 18-19 hours.

-Had urge to be "engaged" in something at all times. Did a lot of minor things I'd been procrastinating on.

-While it amplifies your focus, it also sort of shuts off your mind in other ways. I was completely immersed in the moment and the task at hand, no day dreaming. If you're a creative type like me, it will basically turn your imagination off. Not sure how I feel about that.

-Decreased emotions and sense of humor. Diminished ability to make abstract, nonsensical associations between things and ideas which is part of what constitutes humor. Social interaction was okay but just felt a little "off"...several times I thought "Is this what it feels like to have autism?"

-Slight headachey feeling at times

-I did NOT experience suppression of appetite that some people described. In fact, I became very irritable when I was hungry.

-Decreased ability to put up with BS from other people or technical problems at work.


Overall, I'd say modafinil is good to use strategically when you have a major task to deadline to meet. It definitely improved my performance at work but at the cost of...feeling like myself. I felt like a robot, just blasting from one task to another. It's kind of neat, but you know it isn't normal when it's happening. A very effective tool that I definitely would not use everyday.

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PS-still looking forward to trying it before the gym or BJJ. Modafinil combined with physical exertion might be whole different experience

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#98

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Went in for a check up, talked to my doc, and he discouraged me from trying any of these. He thinks that once I go down the rabbit hole it will be hard for me to come out and there is really no end point. His reasoning is that there are no long term effects studies, and he told me narcotics anonymous has blown up in size as a result of all of these, basically they are highly addictive and people move to higher doses and downers to come down. He said NA is full of doctors, lawyers, wall st types, etc, he said there isnt much difference from these or meth, doing bumps, etc, he said there really is not much difference at all from what he's seen.

This is one doctors opinion. He is my GP and a really smart guy who errs on the side of natural remedies and chinese medicine. I want to go find another opinion, but thought I would share here.
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#99

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Quote: (01-24-2014 10:00 PM)puckman Wrote:  

He is my GP and a really smart guy who errs on the side of natural remedies and chinese medicine.

Would you still trust his opinion if he told you that you were having issues because of a family curse and needed an exorcism?

His medical training is in "traditional Western medicine" (aka "Medicine").

I think many doctors are obsessed with having to do something to justify people coming to see them, "do nothing" should be a vaild option but they can't stand non-intervention, so they offer treatments that don't do anything positive but probably won't make anything worse.

Smart people are always among the first to fall for bullshit, precisely because they're so confident that they're smart enough not to get taken in.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold
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Quote: (01-25-2014 06:59 AM)crippler Wrote:  

Quote: (01-24-2014 10:00 PM)puckman Wrote:  

He is my GP and a really smart guy who errs on the side of natural remedies and chinese medicine.

Would you still trust his opinion if he told you that you were having issues because of a family curse and needed an exorcism?

His medical training is in "traditional Western medicine" (aka "Medicine").

I think many doctors are obsessed with having to do something to justify people coming to see them, "do nothing" should be a vaild option but they can't stand non-intervention, so they offer treatments that don't do anything positive but probably won't make anything worse.

Smart people are always among the first to fall for bullshit, precisely because they're so confident that they're smart enough not to get taken in.

Yeah, hes in a trendy area so I suppose he needs his 'niche'. I think he is genuine, and has been a good doc so far. Another thing too, we got into a philosophical discussion about sleep pills and Test therapy as well, and he feels the same way, if you dont fix the lifestyle first the drugs will always be your only option. Even though in the past he rx'd me test therapy and sleeping pills... Think he has taken an even harder stance on this now, even went so far as to give me other docs to talk to. On one hand I just want him to go along with what I want, on the other, I agree with him on the lifestyle fix first.
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