[We The Real]

Sup yall,
My life has lead me to a point of which I have one healthy option, that is to leave mamas house haha

Since I do not fancy the upcoming season her in NYC, I decided to dip.

Now LA would make sense, many people in the business have suggested no better place for music, share a sweet crib wit 3 people for a 1k each tht has a gym pool beach.. sounded cool. However I was under the impression LA was always hot. I looked up its climate over the past ten years, and its not really that hot. 50 degress with wind is chilly.

So Miami it is.

I am interested in reading any information, strategies, advice, w.e knowledge you guys have for survival on the streets.

I am planning on traveling light. So far I have down that I will have to find a water source, food, and shelter. As well as an outlet for charging.

Do you guys know of any good stash spots, what would be some good hide outs, for those who have been lucky to live in SoBe (i went last at 17 don't remember much) and enjoyed the scene- did you see any street performers, Do the cops come by and hassle them with frequency.

Have any of you guys experience with jobs of any sorts, what was your experience like?

As of now main plan is, get ona bus, get off. Head to the beach and live.

Any love yall can show would be really dope

[Architekt]

Get a van. All your housing issues are solved

[We The Real]

Thanks man, I'll keep that in mind

[kavakid]

yes a van, even a minivan. I lived outta a minivan in california for year. Had girls in there. It was dope.

Also:

couchsurfing.com (free)

wwoof-usa ($25 membership fee)

help x change ($25 membership fee)

http://www.ic.org

put an ad on craiglist housing wanted to pitch a tent in someone's yard, basement, attic, work trade, etc

Northern Cali and Oregon have a homeless/backpacker/hitchhiker culture which includes attractive women. Arcata is heaven if you have a tent.

[We The Real]

Thanks a bunch man , these are really useful. Bless

[paninaro]

Get a cheap car and live in it. A couple guys in Silicon Valley did this when starting up their companies. Here's some blogs with tips:
http://blog.kurtvarner.com/post/30877111...nal-update
http://www.austenallred.com/voluntarily-...on-valley/

[OSL]

(09-30-2013 10:11 AM)kavakid Wrote:  

yes a van, even a minivan. I lived outta a minivan in california for year. Had girls in there. It was dope.

Also:

couchsurfing.com (free)

wwoof-usa ($25 membership fee)

help x change ($25 membership fee)

http://www.ic.org

put an ad on craiglist housing wanted to pitch a tent in someone's yard, basement, attic, work trade, etc

Northern Cali and Oregon have a homeless/backpacker/hitchhiker culture which includes attractive women. Arcata is heaven if you have a tent.

[OSL]

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http://www.businessinsider.com/ken-ilgun...ege-2013-6

By the time Ken Ilgunas was wrapping up his last year of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo in 2005, he had no idea what kind of debt hole he'd dug himself into.
He had majored in the least marketable fields of study possible –– English and History –– and had zero job prospects after getting turned down for no fewer than 25 paid internships.

"That was a wake-up call," he told Business Insider. "I had this huge $32,000 student debt and at the time I was pushing carts at Home Depot, making $8 an hour. I was just getting kind of frantic."

Back then, student loans had yet to become the front page news they are today. Ilgunas could have simply deferred his loans or declared forbearance. He also could have asked his parents (who were more than willing to help) for a leg up. He could have thrown up his hands and gone to grad school until the job market bounced back.

Instead, he moved to Alaska and spent two years paying back every dime. And when he enrolled at Duke University for graduate school later, he lived out of his van to be sure he wouldn't have to take out loans again.

"I had no idea what I was getting into at the time. I didn't even know what interest was when I was 17," he said. "I just think that's awfully indicative of the incredibly poor personal finance education young people have at that time in their lives."

In his book, "Walden on Wheels: On the Open Road from Debt to Freedom," Ken chronicles his journey out of debt.

He was kind enough to share his story with us this week.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ken-ilgun...z2hTVwoXFU


(go to link to see a bunch of pics)

[Tail Gunner]

"OFF THE GRID: Live in a Van, Truck, Trailer, or Motorhome" by JJ Luna.

http://www.amazon.com/OFF-GRID-Trailer-M...ds=jj+luna

[Cattle Rustler]

(10-11-2013 10:32 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

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http://www.businessinsider.com/ken-ilgun...ege-2013-6

By the time Ken Ilgunas was wrapping up his last year of undergraduate studies at the University of Buffalo in 2005, he had no idea what kind of debt hole he'd dug himself into.
He had majored in the least marketable fields of study possible –– English and History –– and had zero job prospects after getting turned down for no fewer than 25 paid internships.

"That was a wake-up call," he told Business Insider. "I had this huge $32,000 student debt and at the time I was pushing carts at Home Depot, making $8 an hour. I was just getting kind of frantic."

Back then, student loans had yet to become the front page news they are today. Ilgunas could have simply deferred his loans or declared forbearance. He also could have asked his parents (who were more than willing to help) for a leg up. He could have thrown up his hands and gone to grad school until the job market bounced back.

Instead, he moved to Alaska and spent two years paying back every dime. And when he enrolled at Duke University for graduate school later, he lived out of his van to be sure he wouldn't have to take out loans again.

"I had no idea what I was getting into at the time. I didn't even know what interest was when I was 17," he said. "I just think that's awfully indicative of the incredibly poor personal finance education young people have at that time in their lives."

In his book, "Walden on Wheels: On the Open Road from Debt to Freedom," Ken chronicles his journey out of debt.

He was kind enough to share his story with us this week.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ken-ilgun...z2hTVwoXFU


(go to link to see a bunch of pics)

He couldn't get a job in 2005 when the economy was overheating? Damn. One could only imagine how hist/english majors have it now.

[Tail Gunner]

People need to exercise some degree of common sense. I am a life-long history buff. It was always my favorite subject in high school.

I thought about a history major, but I looked at the job market and found that I would be locked into a teaching job for the rest of my life.

So I chose business school instead, which presented many other options and opportunities. Easy money makes it easy to make bad decisions and it also distorts the free market.

My advice to the OP is to make a good decision: take whatever job is immediately available in the area and share an apartment or a house with two or three other roommates until you establish yourself financially. You can live dirt cheap that way. The job keeps you grounded and keeps you out of trouble. Do not develop bad habits that will follow you for the rest of your life.

[Beyond Borders]

My advice - don't do it without a vehicle. A vehicle is a huge asset when homeless, even if by choice. It's moving shelter that provides you and your belongings safety, privacy, and protection from the elements, and you can depend on just yourself should logistics provided by someone else go awry. I've written about this before here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28803-...#pid550408

Here are some 3rd-party links of interest...enjoy!

Car, RV, & Vandwelling Sites:

http://cheapgreenrvliving.com/
http://www.cheaprvlivingforum.com/
http://daily-blog.rv-boondocking-the-goo...-many.html
http://www.tinyhousetalk.com/how-to-live...-dwelling/
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Van_Dwelling
http://www.carliving.info/
http://www.gypsyliving.org/
http://mylifeinavan.wordpress.com/2012/0...discovery/
http://www.badgertrek.com/sportsmobile/index.shtml

Homelessness Survival Guide

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/

Build Your Own Camper:

http://cheaprvliving.com/BuildYourOwnCamper.html
http://www.camper-van-fun.com/build-your...amper.html
http://www.mybigadventure.com/index.html?...d-A-Camper

Build a Cabin for $2000:

http://www.simplesolarhomesteading.com/

Underground Housing for $50 and Up:

http://www.undergroundhousing.com/

Build a Houseboat:

http://kk.org/cooltools/archives/000436

Also Worth Consideration: Tents, Tipis (can have a woodstove), and Yurts

[roberto]

This is of interest to me, as I've been contemplating doing similar. You can blow £10k a year easily on rent/tax in the UK. £10k buys you a seriously nice van, and a further £10k would see it kitted out almost to Winnebago standards. Then you're free, and your only expenses are road tax and diesel. Plus you have an asset which you can sell.

I'm looking to find a second hand stealth camper at the moment, which I might tweak to suit me. But if I did it from scratch I'd never get the total cost back if I sold so I might as well buy from someone else who will be taking a loss.

I travelled Britain in a camper when I was 17 and had no trouble getting chicks into it I think you'd struggle with more affluent 8s and upwards, but it's rock solid logistics for parties, raves etc.

[Tenerife]

Don't live in a van.

That's my advice.

I thought about living in a van for a while, but that is stupid when you realize you can share a room in a house in many places around the country for 200-300 bucks. Owning a car is a PAIN in the ass. Insurance, gas, trying to figure out where to park without being bothered, etc.

The trick is to carry barely any belongings with you. You can still hitchhike, and takes buses.

By staying in cheap rooms, sleeping in living rooms, and whatnot, you'll have a much more comfortable place to sleep than a van. Try sleeping in a car for three nights straight and see how life looks to you. I've tried it, it's not fun. You will hate it immediately.

[kavakid]

sleeping in a car sucks if you can't lie flat and stretch out your legs. You might want to remove the passenger seat so you can make a bed platform that is flat. Or get a van/SUV like a ford explorer where the back lies flat for sleeping. But that costs more in gas. Probably worth the extra gas though, unless you plan on driving more than a thousand miles a month. I actually like sleeping in my minivan more than a regular room. The feeling of freedom is unparalleled. I could wake up in San Fran and sleep in LA that night, all without paying a penny for housing.

With car and without car are both legit ways to go about it.

West coast is probably the best place to go without a car and be homeless. Its almost respected there. Hipster/punk girls can be found to travel with you/ consort with you. The further towards portland, the more its respected and people will help you.

[Cattle Rustler]

Pardon my ignorance, but how does one shower when living in a car?

I knew some kid who used my college's gym but then again he was a student and just had to swipe his ID.

[Screwston]

You would have to shower at shelters. How would you fuck the backpacker girls along the west coast? That would be fun to work your way up to Oregon and run through as many as you can. Maybe take a bus to California, get a $1,000 car, give it a tune up and troll your way to Portland.

[Beyond Borders]

(10-14-2013 07:12 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Pardon my ignorance, but how does one shower when living in a car?

I knew some kid who used my college's gym but then again he was a student and just had to swipe his ID.

You could get a gym membership and shower there - the first thing I'd do if homeless was lock down a gym membership and a library card. If you had a private location in the woods or put up some type of barrier, you could shower using a solar shower, a garden hose, or a bucket of water. You can create your own solar shower by lying out coiled black water hose or black bucket on a roof or other surface and leaving it full of water (buckets can be painted black as well). You can bathe in rivers, lakes, and streams. You could get someone you know to give you access to their shower, possibly trading a bit of labor to use it on a regular basis. Camper vans or small RVs (you can pick up a Toyota Dolphin or something similar for $4 - $6K, and they get 20mpg) might have a shower already.

Absent of all the above or in a pinch, you could freshen up by cleaning yourself with moist towelettes, baby wipes, or a wet washcloth.

Obviously, the best route is the first one, though it requires a set location to be economically feasible for a homeless person; then again, if traveling, you could get a membership at a gym chain with facilities in most major cities.

Am I advocating any of this? Not necessarily, but I think that brainstorming about homelessness is a great opportunity to exercise your capacity for creative thinking and resourcefulness. Our cushy, wasteful lives make us soft, but we're much more resilient and capable than we give ourselves credit for. Most things that seem too uncomfortable, embarrassing, or demeaning to us only seem that way because of our conditioning and life paradigms.

This can be overcome by peeling back the curtain society has pulled over the human experience. Or in times of necessity. There are more uncomfortable things in life than sleeping in vans and cars - beyond physical trauma, disabilities, sleeping in the dirt, and other types of suffering, this might simply include the pride lost in depending on other people for your lot in life or being stuck in a situation that drives you mad. With that in mind and a bit of stoic philosophy, you easily adjust.

What would you do if you lost it all and suddenly had nothing? What could you do if you wanted to unplug from your dependence on modern society and live on nothing for a short time? Or if the unimaginable happened and you were suddenly fleeing from unjust persecution by the law or for your life without the proper budget to do so?

You never know where your life will take you. Or when you might need the skill of out-of-the-box thinking.

On a lighter note, I have plans to someday buy a camper van, Toyota Dolphin, or some other type of small RV and tour America one of these days. That said, I'll have money too, relying on my online business so that I can still live relatively comfortable rather than like a homeless person. Then again, I may just get a motorcycle, a tent, and a sleeping bag instead - obviously more rugged and uncomfortable, but if we can't trade our modern-day comforts for liberating raw experience from time to time, can we still call ourselves men?

Do I plan to slay women from coast to coast living that way? Not really, though I'm sure opportunities would arise. Anyways, pussy isn't everything.

[We The Real]

(10-12-2013 12:20 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

My advice - don't do it without a vehicle. A vehicle is a huge asset when homeless, even if by choice. It's moving shelter that provides you and your belongings safety, privacy, and protection from the elements, and you can depend on just yourself should logistics provided by someone else go awry. I've written about this before here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28803-...#pid550408

Here are some 3rd-party links of interest...enjoy!

Car, RV, & Vandwelling Sites:

http://cheapgreenrvliving.com/
http://www.cheaprvlivingforum.com/
http://daily-blog.rv-boondocking-the-goo...-many.html
http://www.tinyhousetalk.com/how-to-live...-dwelling/
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Van_Dwelling
http://www.carliving.info/
http://www.gypsyliving.org/
http://mylifeinavan.wordpress.com/2012/0...discovery/
http://www.badgertrek.com/sportsmobile/index.shtml

Homelessness Survival Guide

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/

Build Your Own Camper:

http://cheaprvliving.com/BuildYourOwnCamper.html
http://www.camper-van-fun.com/build-your...amper.html
http://www.mybigadventure.com/index.html?...d-A-Camper

Build a Cabin for $2000:

http://www.simplesolarhomesteading.com/

Underground Housing for $50 and Up:

http://www.undergroundhousing.com/

Build a Houseboat:

http://kk.org/cooltools/archives/000436

Also Worth Consideration: Tents, Tipis (can have a woodstove), and Yurts

Damn bro, Goodlooks!

[We The Real]

(10-14-2013 06:53 PM)kavakid Wrote:  

sleeping in a car sucks if you can't lie flat and stretch out your legs. You might want to remove the passenger seat so you can make a bed platform that is flat. Or get a van/SUV like a ford explorer where the back lies flat for sleeping. But that costs more in gas. Probably worth the extra gas though, unless you plan on driving more than a thousand miles a month. I actually like sleeping in my minivan more than a regular room. The feeling of freedom is unparalleled. I could wake up in San Fran and sleep in LA that night, all without paying a penny for housing.

With car and without car are both legit ways to go about it.

West coast is probably the best place to go without a car and be homeless. Its almost respected there. Hipster/punk girls can be found to travel with you/ consort with you. The further towards portland, the more its respected and people will help you.

Homeless guy fame game ha ha, fuck it ..scratch the lotto ticket game works, Y not

[Architekt]

(10-14-2013 07:12 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Pardon my ignorance, but how does one shower when living in a car?

I knew some kid who used my college's gym but then again he was a student and just had to swipe his ID.

Stay on the coast. Salt water is good for you anyway

[speakeasy]

Fascinating topic. I used to know a guy who was living out of his truck. I think he did it for about a year. The thing is, the guy had a job making good money but did it just for hell of it. He said that he showered at gyms, would cook with a portable gas stove out on the sidewalk. He said the toughest part was waking up in the middle of the night and having to take a shit. I guess you could always keep a bucket in the van as a portable toilet for emergencies. Also said that a few times someone tried to break in while he was sleeping at night so I'd keep a loaded gun in the van if I was in this situation.

[iknowexactly]

One of the coolest nights I remember is camping out in a field in upstate NY when it was about 20 degrees. I just had a sleeping bag ( a good down one), everything was frozen so no bugs, no rain.
I could see the stars so bright and clear above. It was still. Exquisite.

There is more to life than television.

[Architekt]

(10-31-2013 07:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

One of the coolest nights I remember is camping out in a field in upstate NY when it was about 20 degrees. I just had a sleeping bag ( a good down one), everything was frozen so no bugs, no rain.
I could see the stars so bright and clear above. It was still. Exquisite.

There is more to life than television.

Camping is one of my favourite activities. Heading a few hours out of the city yields unfathomably amazing skylines with beautiful scenery all around. Personally I'd rather camp in the cold - there are far less insects, especially during the day.

There's just something about being in nature, whether it's having a roaring fire to keep warm, cooking food over the open flames that you built yourself, relaxing under the stars, walking out to the beach in the morning, the whole experience just feels amazing and truly primal

[kavakid]

(10-31-2013 07:55 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 07:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

One of the coolest nights I remember is camping out in a field in upstate NY when it was about 20 degrees. I just had a sleeping bag ( a good down one), everything was frozen so no bugs, no rain.
I could see the stars so bright and clear above. It was still. Exquisite.

There is more to life than television.

Camping is one of my favourite activities. Heading a few hours out of the city yields unfathomably amazing skylines with beautiful scenery all around. Personally I'd rather camp in the cold - there are far less insects, especially during the day.

There's just something about being in nature, whether it's having a roaring fire to keep warm, cooking food over the open flames that you built yourself, relaxing under the stars, walking out to the beach in the morning, the whole experience just feels amazing and truly primal

Yeah, and add a chick to that scenario and you are in heaven. As long as she isn't bitchin and moanin. She gotta be someone who loves the outdoors. If you live like that for awhile you start to realize how weird "civilization" is.