[Tex Pro]

(09-28-2013 04:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 04:11 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

Speakeasy & Teedub,

We are arguing in circles. In America, if you are mixed, you are not white. Period. End of story. No more discussion is needed.

Plus, it is not cool to be white in America, so I don't expect this opinion to change anytime soon. I met people in MEChA (the student group) who have green eyes and light hair, and they call themselves mestizos. If they are part mixed (almost a 100% certainty if their family lived in Mexico for a long time), then they are mestizos. Arguing with someone who is mixed race over whether or not they are white is pointless and a little condescending since they know better what they are than you do.

Good day, gentlemen.

But what is mixed? Just because you aren't 100% pure something doesn't mean you are "mixed". If this is the case, then we should stop referring to blacks in America as "blacks" because almost all of us have 20-25% European mixture. But nobody looks at black Americans as mixed unless they have a non-black parent. If someone is 80-90% one group, they are considered that group. So if a Mexican is like 90% European and look indistinguishable from a southern European, then they are Europeans.

And as Teedub says, ANYWHERE outside the USA this is just considered common sense. Brazil has a much more realistic interpretation on race. They scratch their heads in disbelief when someone like Rashida Jones is considered "black" when she looks mostly European. Or that someone like Marco Rubio would be considered "non-white".

Speak, this thread has been derailed enough as it is. If someone is mixed and considers himself or herself mestizo, then they are technically right and there is no point arguing. Like I said, it is condescending to assume you know what they are better than they do.

[Teedub]

(09-28-2013 04:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And as Teedub says, ANYWHERE outside the USA this is just considered common sense. Brazil has a much more realistic interpretation on race. They scratch their heads in disbelief when someone like Rashida Jones is considered "black" when she looks mostly European. Or that someone like Marco Rubio would be considered "non-white".

Forget Brazil, I'd hope Americans would scratch their heads about Rubio. Dude is as Establishment as the WASPS!

[Tex Pro]

(09-28-2013 04:22 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 04:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And as Teedub says, ANYWHERE outside the USA this is just considered common sense. Brazil has a much more realistic interpretation on race. They scratch their heads in disbelief when someone like Rashida Jones is considered "black" when she looks mostly European. Or that someone like Marco Rubio would be considered "non-white".

Forget Brazil, I'd hope Americans would scratch their heads about Rubio. Dude is as Establishment as the WASPS!

I have heard Texas WASPs misidentify him as Mexican, so you would be mistaken.

[Teedub]

Well, that proves my point rather well doesn't it!

"Eeeh, by heck George, that fella has a 'spic last name...must be one of those Mexicanegro types"..."Sir, he's from Cuba - 100% European ancestry"... "Mexico, Cuba...Spain? What, that country in South America? All the same to me!"

[Quintus Curtius]

At the end of the day, no matter how you slice and dice it, it looks like these concepts of "race", "ethnicity", or "heritage" are fluid ones whose boundaries and parameters shift from era to era and cannot be precisely defined. They seem to mean different things to different people. People seem to define themselves (with varying degrees of importance) by two things: genetic inheritance and cultural affiliation. How much weight is given to one factor, and how much weight is given to the other, will vary from person to person.

And that's why I think all attempts to impose strict categories on ethnic or racial types are ultimately unsatisfactory. Trying to do so is a relic of 19th century racialist thinking. Race and ethnicity are just too slippery to pin down.
It is a depressing legacy of America's northern European, Protestant cultural roots that there is such an obsession on race in the US. We should throw out all racial categories as fundamentally unworkable and illogical.
Some of it is just insanity. But it's done as a way of securing benefits, partly. I've seen people as white as any Scandinavian claiming to be "American Indian" and getting government benefits based on that.

To me, what is more important than "race" or "ethnicity" in defining someone is their cultural affiliation and their educational level. That's what really tells you more about a person. What environment did they grow up in, what languages do they speak, what were they exposed to, and have their minds been refined with education.

[GameTheory]

(09-28-2013 03:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

[...]
The Dominican Republic is the only place I'm aware of that people who look as black as the ace of spades trying to claim they aren't really black. It's laughable.

submitted for your consideration, the genocidal dictator of the DR, Rafael Trujillo...




who ruled with an iron fist from 1930-1961. he had a nasty habit of exterminating black folks from Haiti, which was problematic in that black folks from the DR were virtually indistiguishable from Haitian black folks.

in order to get around this problem, Trujillo would have his minions institute a pronounciation test,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre

in order to kill off the Haitian black folks.

the black folks from the DR, in order to avoid being mistaken for being Haitian (and thus exterminated), would deny their African heritage, claiming they were "not black" but blanco oscuro or " dark white"

http://www.theroot.com/multimedia/black-...ck-history

so what you see today is the cultural legacy of the Trujillo dictatorship

[Teedub]

^ Very interesting!

[GameTheory]

^^^ yeah folks from the DR have a cultural cognitive dissonance when it comes to skin tone, thanks to that maniac Trujillo

"dark white"




http://study-abroad-blog-santiago-dr-sl....topic.html

Quote:

During the reign of Rafael Trujillo, the infamous Dominican dictator who took control of the country from 1930-1961, the relationship between Haiti and the Dominican Republic turned deadly. Trujillo attempted to “whiten” the Dominican Republic by killing thousands of Haitians, who have predominantly dark skin, and created a racial barrier between light-skinned Dominicans and dark-skinned Haitians. This barrier can still be seen today.

[Aliblahba]

(09-30-2013 04:20 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

^^^ yeah folks from the DR have a cultural cognitive dissonance when it comes to skin tone, thanks to that maniac Trujillo

"dark white"

You guys need to brush up on DR history and genetics.

[GameTheory]

^^^ genes=genotype

skin color=phenotype

[jariel]

(09-30-2013 04:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

You guys need to brush up on DR history and genetics.

I talked about "El Corte" on this site two years ago.

[Dex]

(09-27-2013 12:44 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Not to mention the idiot doesn't know that "Hispanics" aren't even a race.

Edit -- Who wants to guess he's a regular on Heartiste?

He mistook the interview as a comment section of Roissy's website. He would fit in perfectly in the comment section race discussions.

[playa_with_a_passport]

This guy is doing some excellent trolling. I wasted a few seconds of my life visiting his shitty website. Well done sir.


P.S. Speakeasy and Texas prophet are both right. Texas Prophet is a little more dead on. There's only two races in America, White or Non White. That's why America had the one drop rule it really does make everything more simple. Hispanic/Latino is not a race per se but is short hand to described someone whose too dark that hes not able classify themselves as White and takes offense to being grouped with Blacks. That's how Dominicans who are dark as coal can tell you with a straight face, "I am not Black, I am Hispanic."

[Vicious]

From my master race perspective, you're all mongrels.

[Aliblahba]

We had to beat down you Krauts twice in one century. Wanna nother one?

[Vicious]

(10-05-2013 09:18 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

We had to beat down you Krauts twice in one century. Wanna nother one?

You're taking a stance for the superiority of cultural diversity?

[Aliblahba]

(10-05-2013 12:09 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:18 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

We had to beat down you Krauts twice in one century. Wanna nother one?

You're taking a stance for the superiority of cultural diversity?

I'm just taking a stance against you and your Dutch motives.