I spotted this while reading through leadership textbook for a ROTC class. I was surprised to find this:
~Wald
~Wald
The Proper Attitude To Have
The media brings up examples like this to show how great it is to have women in combat. But what they don't show is:
1. The vast majority who get knocked up or get fat, and then milk the government for child care, medical care, and housing benefits. The military has become one vast social welfare organization.
2. Compared the the Marine Corps, the Army has serious "decoration inflation". Meaning, they give out medals in the Army if you tie your bootlaces. I don't like to downgrade someone's bravery who's been under fire, but what can I say? I am doing it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't believe that the vast majority of women are going to be physically brave under fire.
1. The vast majority who get knocked up or get fat, and then milk the government for child care, medical care, and housing benefits. The military has become one vast social welfare organization.
2. Compared the the Marine Corps, the Army has serious "decoration inflation". Meaning, they give out medals in the Army if you tie your bootlaces. I don't like to downgrade someone's bravery who's been under fire, but what can I say? I am doing it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't believe that the vast majority of women are going to be physically brave under fire.
Good on her for valuing her effectiveness over her gender, and not being used for PR ends.
Quote: (09-25-2013 03:22 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:
The media brings up examples like this to show how great it is to have women in combat. But what they don't show is:
1. The vast majority who get knocked up or get fat, and then milk the government for child care, medical care, and housing benefits. The military has become one vast social welfare organization.
2. Compared the the Marine Corps, the Army has serious "decoration inflation". Meaning, they give out medals in the Army if you tie your bootlaces. I don't like to downgrade someone's bravery who's been under fire, but what can I say? I am doing it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't believe that the vast majority of women are going to be physically brave under fire.
I don't doubt what you say on either the things the media doesn't talk about in regards to women or on the army's "decoration inflation."
Hell, I am required to wear a ribbon I got when I contracted. It's call the National Defense Service Medal. Another name for it? The "Breathing Medal".
I just wanted to post something positive in the sea of negativity that is often the forum. Why not praise women for the good things they do in addition to admonishing them for the bad?
Wald
Yeah, I heard you Wald. I just have a certain perspective on this stuff.
Truth is, I'm kind of conflicted about some of the women in the military issues. I recognize that a lot of them are doing a good job, and I hate having to be a prick and impugn the bravery of someone who did good things under fire. I acknowledge her achievements. If I sound like Debbie Downer, maybe that's just my personal limitations showing, or maybe my petty jealousies.
But I just can't get out of my mind the bigger picture as I saw it. My experience was seeing a lot of women get pregnant and getting flown out of hostile fire zones. I saw women getting the easy jobs but taking the same credit that we, the men, got for going in harm's way. And I saw a lot of them using the military as a social welfare organization to freeload off the government.
I remember in the early 1990s, the Marine Commandant, Gen. Mundy, proposed making the USMC all male. Not just all male, but all unmarried men. Can you believe the balls of him proposing that? What general today would have the balls to suggest that? He'd get crucified. Society has changed a lot since the early 1990s. But Google it, and you can find the details. Looking back now, I think he was right.
I also remember the bullshit "Tailhook Convention Scandal" of that era. They held up every promotion--and I mean every one--until you could disprove you were not at the Tailhook Convention, where supposedly some female officer was "harassed" by some drunken pilots. It was overblown bullshit, but it was a witch hunt. It was a pure witch hunt. And women benefitted from it, from the climate of intimidation and political correctness.
But that was the playbook they learned. Advance the female agenda, and put us on the defensive constantly with manufactured scandals and incidents.
Truth is, I'm kind of conflicted about some of the women in the military issues. I recognize that a lot of them are doing a good job, and I hate having to be a prick and impugn the bravery of someone who did good things under fire. I acknowledge her achievements. If I sound like Debbie Downer, maybe that's just my personal limitations showing, or maybe my petty jealousies.
But I just can't get out of my mind the bigger picture as I saw it. My experience was seeing a lot of women get pregnant and getting flown out of hostile fire zones. I saw women getting the easy jobs but taking the same credit that we, the men, got for going in harm's way. And I saw a lot of them using the military as a social welfare organization to freeload off the government.
I remember in the early 1990s, the Marine Commandant, Gen. Mundy, proposed making the USMC all male. Not just all male, but all unmarried men. Can you believe the balls of him proposing that? What general today would have the balls to suggest that? He'd get crucified. Society has changed a lot since the early 1990s. But Google it, and you can find the details. Looking back now, I think he was right.
I also remember the bullshit "Tailhook Convention Scandal" of that era. They held up every promotion--and I mean every one--until you could disprove you were not at the Tailhook Convention, where supposedly some female officer was "harassed" by some drunken pilots. It was overblown bullshit, but it was a witch hunt. It was a pure witch hunt. And women benefitted from it, from the climate of intimidation and political correctness.
But that was the playbook they learned. Advance the female agenda, and put us on the defensive constantly with manufactured scandals and incidents.
For what it is worth - I believe that women have no place in the military.
They can be civilian support - nurses or 'prostitutes' for some patriotic relief.
And I would agree that the Marines would benefit from being only unmarried men.
Wald
They can be civilian support - nurses or 'prostitutes' for some patriotic relief.
And I would agree that the Marines would benefit from being only unmarried men.
Wald
QC,
About women getting pregnant and being flown out of combat zones.
Funny you mention this. One of my older female cousins was an Army 1st Lt., married to a Capt., when they were both getting ready to deploy to Iraq during the surge. They actually were both pilots - she flew Chinooks and he flew Apaches. I distinctly remember them having discussions amongst the family that if things started getting bad when they were deployed, she would try to get pregnant so she could be sent home.
So, coming from this personal experience, I'm a bit conflicted. She was an awesome officer, so she wasn't some scumbag female officer. She's now working for an intel agency in DC - I have no idea which one it is, and I have no idea what she is doing, because she can't say. They recruited her heavily, as did Yale University for some job (IDK what they would want her for) right after she put in her papers to get out. Clearly, she was a good officer.
However I understand where you are coming from. There a lot of P.C. BS in the military today. And no doubt women are getting props for jobs that they haven't done.
But if her unit had started taking heavy casualties, I would want her to get sent home, to safety. And in this instance I would believe that the ends justify the means.
About women getting pregnant and being flown out of combat zones.
Funny you mention this. One of my older female cousins was an Army 1st Lt., married to a Capt., when they were both getting ready to deploy to Iraq during the surge. They actually were both pilots - she flew Chinooks and he flew Apaches. I distinctly remember them having discussions amongst the family that if things started getting bad when they were deployed, she would try to get pregnant so she could be sent home.
So, coming from this personal experience, I'm a bit conflicted. She was an awesome officer, so she wasn't some scumbag female officer. She's now working for an intel agency in DC - I have no idea which one it is, and I have no idea what she is doing, because she can't say. They recruited her heavily, as did Yale University for some job (IDK what they would want her for) right after she put in her papers to get out. Clearly, she was a good officer.
However I understand where you are coming from. There a lot of P.C. BS in the military today. And no doubt women are getting props for jobs that they haven't done.
But if her unit had started taking heavy casualties, I would want her to get sent home, to safety. And in this instance I would believe that the ends justify the means.
Intentionally getting pregnant to escape combat is legalized desertion.
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Fair enough, I don't think women should be in combat theaters to begin with, despite how good of officers they maybe. So if they are doing shit for their own safety, go for it. If y'all are opposed to females being in combat roles, shouldn't you be all for them getting pregnant and leaving the combat theater?
Yup one guy winning the lottery proves all those tickets are well spent.
Women are bad enough driving cars. I'd hate to see what they can do driving a tank or flying a fighter plane.
Plus it's proven that women have a very poor sense of spacial awareness. Their minds are better suited to multitasking many simpler tasks like office work, fetching coffee and making sandwiches.
Plus it's proven that women have a very poor sense of spacial awareness. Their minds are better suited to multitasking many simpler tasks like office work, fetching coffee and making sandwiches.
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Quote: (09-25-2013 07:08 PM)MHaes Wrote:
Fair enough, I don't think women should be in combat theaters to begin with, despite how good of officers they maybe. So if they are doing shit for their own safety, go for it. If y'all are opposed to females being in combat roles, shouldn't you be all for them getting pregnant and leaving the combat theater?
Phrasing your question as you do puts the other person in a bit of a bind.
Yet, my answer is still no. I believe that all female officers should be honorably discharged and sent home. And they should not have been allowed in, the first place.
The principle of getting pregnant to get home is repugnant to me when a man could be executed for doing the same thing, only legally unsanctioned - desertion.
Wald
Fair enough, you didn't fall for my trap card.
I agree, women shouldn't be allowed in. But I have no problem with them leaving via pregnancy. The reason being is that I don't hold them to the same standards as men. A man deserting - that's illegal, he is aware of that as a rational being and he should be prosecuted. But a woman deserting - no surprise there, a girl shirking/not able to handle responsibility. Send 'em home and either medically or honorably discharge them for being pregnant in a combat zone. That takes care of that problem.
I agree, women shouldn't be allowed in. But I have no problem with them leaving via pregnancy. The reason being is that I don't hold them to the same standards as men. A man deserting - that's illegal, he is aware of that as a rational being and he should be prosecuted. But a woman deserting - no surprise there, a girl shirking/not able to handle responsibility. Send 'em home and either medically or honorably discharge them for being pregnant in a combat zone. That takes care of that problem.
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