[Marcus187]

(10-09-2015 06:36 PM)Matrixdude Wrote:  

I've also known some tall guys who don't know Game, who get by being tall and just not fucking up (don't fuck up Game).

This is what I mean.

I come from a country where a lot of guys are tall (over 6 feet), have athletic bodies, even though they don't work out a lot (probably genetics, because of Germanic descent) and have sharp and masculine facial features. These guys are simply pussy magnets, despite the fact they have boring personalities, are not charismatic and have never heard of game.

I've seen this so many times when I was in high school and college. It was very easy for them to get girls and one night stands, because they had the looks. Girls were hitting on them.

[colblionel]

Honestly I think if you're short like 5'0-5'8 you shouldn't rely JUST ON COLD APPROACH to meet girls. Online dating is a no go cause of height obviously.

I'm 5'9 and a half but I lie and tell people I'm 5'10. On my online dating profile I put down my height as 6ft because I can wear boots and insoles to increase my height.

Of course everybody knows a short dude who slays pussy even I have a friend like that, but that's not going to be everyone. He relies a lot on social circle game to meet women, in those situations he has a lot of social proof and makes up for his height.

[HankMoody]

(10-12-2015 08:08 PM)colblionel Wrote:  

Honestly I think if you're short like 5'0-5'8 you shouldn't rely JUST ON COLD APPROACH to meet girls. Online dating is a no go cause of height obviously.

I'm 5'9 and a half but I lie and tell people I'm 5'10. On my online dating profile I put down my height as 6ft because I can wear boots and insoles to increase my height.

Of course everybody knows a short dude who slays pussy even I have a friend like that, but that's not going to be everyone. He relies a lot on social circle game to meet women, in those situations he has a lot of social proof and makes up for his height.

The problem with online dating for short guys is women filter out guys under like 5''10.

A solid 7 who I could easily pickup in a bar won't even see my profile.

In my view, cold approaches are more beneficial for a short guy with game. Relying on online dating basically forces a short guy to focus on the scraps who don't arbitrarily filter us out.

That said, I've had good results with online dating.

[Roardog]

(10-12-2015 08:23 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 08:08 PM)colblionel Wrote:  

Honestly I think if you're short like 5'0-5'8 you shouldn't rely JUST ON COLD APPROACH to meet girls. Online dating is a no go cause of height obviously.

I'm 5'9 and a half but I lie and tell people I'm 5'10. On my online dating profile I put down my height as 6ft because I can wear boots and insoles to increase my height.

Of course everybody knows a short dude who slays pussy even I have a friend like that, but that's not going to be everyone. He relies a lot on social circle game to meet women, in those situations he has a lot of social proof and makes up for his height.

The problem with online dating for short guys is women filter out guys under like 5''10.

A solid 7 who I could easily pickup in a bar won't even see my profile.

In my view, cold approaches are more beneficial for a short guy with game. Relying on online dating basically forces a short guy to focus on the scraps who don't arbitrarily filter us out.

That said, I've had good results with online dating.

I've had good results with online dating as well. I find that pictures make much more of a difference in online dating than height. That being said I primarily use Tinder which doesn't make you list your height so I don't know how much it impacts other apps.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(10-12-2015 07:43 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

Funny this thread got bumped. I ran into this last week: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/very-...-partners/

Prepare for a bunch of statistics geekery if you click through, so here's the interesting parts; basically, science agrees with The_e_man's own experiences.

Quote:

After dividing respondents into different height groups, the researchers found that every group of men taller than 5 feet 4 inches had the same median number of sex partners: seven. Only men classified as “very short,” or between 5 feet 2 inches and 5 feet 4 inches, had a significantly different sexual history. They reported a median of five sex partners.

...

According to the authors, David Frederick and Brooke Jenkins, the explanation for their findings might be that women have a “minimal threshold” for male height — anyone taller is pretty much an acceptable potential mate and anyone shorter, not so much.

I've been taking a break from these parts, but will make a brief return to comment on this, since it's an area of expertise for me.

It had to be: I started college at 5'1" -- with my growth stunted from massive prescription drugs from a childhood illness. Luckily, I'd grow about 5 more inches.

Or was it lucky? From ages 18-20 I racked up 9 bangs with women from 5'3"-5'9." What I found is that if women like you, they'll say "I don't see you as short." Same as women who swear they won't date a black guy, but when they get seduced by one they're like "I don't see you as black." Black friends have told me they've heard this.

Besides that #9 count, there were at least 15 more I could have slept with, but decided otherwise for reasons that seem ridiculously petty now that I don't have instant access to girls ages 18-22. I've spoken about this before on here. It's now sad to think I rejected totally fine women who were ready and willing because "Ugh! She dresses like it's still the '70s and I don't want to be seen with her" or "Yuck! She had bad breath when we made out." Like I couldn't buy a bottle of Scope for my dorm room? Jeez. (Don't be like this.)

But I digress. Back to the main point: Some of my success was down to being around lots of single women in college. But then I knew guys much taller who never got laid for four years, so it wasn't all the environment.

Here is what I think what I had going for me that other short guys can copy:

1). I had a really good personality and sense of humor. Yes, this is a cliche. And I know some guys in the manosphere say things like "If a sense of humor was important than Carrot Top would be Brad Pitt" but let me explain why this is important.

When we talk to people, we take in more than their looks and personality. We get a vibe or a "visual" of the reality they represent. Everyone wants to hang at the fun beach party; no one wants to hang at the funeral home. You need to be the beach party. People, esp. women, latch onto "vibes" and often interpret "intense and argumentative" as "bitter loser." Save the bitterness for after the bang.

2). I was something of a novelty being so short. This seems counter- intuitive; how could a negative be positive? But women remembered me because I was different. This matters on some psychological level. I had taller friends that were bland and women would ask me over and over what their names were. But they remembered mine. It probably helped that I was cute and well put-together.

3). I always had either a girlfriend or a really good-looking girl I hung around (or two or three). This is a classic game technique of preselection. But it works. It's a good reason to keep girls as friends. Also, it helps if the girls in question are super-hot.

I discovered this in high school my senior year. I've told this story here before: In the final half of the school year, administration discovered I was shy of a health credit, so they put me in a health class that happened to be all freshman girls. 90 percent of them were hot. Each week I'd take a different one to the senior parties and as the weeks passed my rep grew as some sort of "stud" (as we called it back then). I wasn't dating these girls, but no one knew that. All they knew was that wherever I went, I had a a different hottie beside me. This matters.

4). I had tons of attitude and was the most irreverent person around. Self-explanatory. But in my case, I'll explain anyway: I grew up in NYC and went to high school and college in Maryland -- a place I considered a hick backwater. So part of me really was an arrogant SOB who thought I was way ahead of everyone in terms of style, music, art, etc. Wait, what am I saying? I *was* way ahead of everyone with their boring clothes and music! This attitude, obnoxious as it seems now, really worked for me.

5). I had a unique sense of style. My hair was long and I wore a black jacket. I tried to cop a DeeDee Ramone look, which seems silly now, but must have worked. I also have a philosophy that if people see you as "long-haired dude," they sort of don't notice you're "the short guy." It's a distraction. Works best if you play guitar.

I started doing poorly with women when I became less fun and more angry. The pressures of work, adulthood, Serious Issues, and eventually a troubled marriage drained the fun from me.

This is why post-divorce I'm not even close to being as successful as I was at 19. You can't fake being carefree and young, sad to say.

I think if you're short you should watch the movie "Arthur" (the original) and cop a vibe like the actor in that, who was like 5'2." I also used to get compared to Michael J. Fox.

One more thing. My exact height rarely came up. Had I come out and said "I'm 5'1"! when I started college, things might not have been so rosy.

I wonder how I would have done had there been online dating and you had to put down a number. They should make women put down their weight if men have to put down there height. See, there I go being bitter again. This is not what I would have said at 18. I'd have found a clever way around it.

[TigerMandingo]

(10-09-2015 05:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Flat Out BULLSHIT.

This is self defeating and game denial.

I'm fucking 5'8" and I've banged taller, shorter, and the same height.

Jesus, talk about an over-reaction. All the guy said was that height plays a significant role, I fail to see the game denialism in that.

Height + game > no height + game. That's just the way the cookie crumbles, man.

[Saweeep]

(10-13-2015 10:11 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 05:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Flat Out BULLSHIT.

This is self defeating and game denial.

I'm fucking 5'8" and I've banged taller, shorter, and the same height.

Jesus, talk about an over-reaction. All the guy said was that height plays a significant role, I fail to see the game denialism in that.

Height + game > no height + game. That's just the way the cookie crumbles, man.

Yeah there's some major male hamstering in this thread.

There wouldn't be nearly as much emotion present if this was about facial aesthetics, not height...both things we cannot change but are a factor in relations with women.

[Avon Barksdale]

(10-13-2015 10:11 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 05:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Flat Out BULLSHIT.

This is self defeating and game denial.

I'm fucking 5'8" and I've banged taller, shorter, and the same height.

Jesus, talk about an over-reaction. All the guy said was that height plays a significant role, I fail to see the game denialism in that.

Height + game > no height + game. That's just the way the cookie crumbles, man.

Were does lifting weights fit into this equation

[TigerMandingo]

(10-13-2015 12:25 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

Were does lifting weights fit into this equation

Short, built dudes are gonna look funny to some women no matter what you may think. At 6'3, I can be lean and require less game in general than another dude at 5'7 who is jacked (all things being equal).

As a matter of fact, I attribute many of my bangs to good height and facial features (since my game isn't that strong anyway).

[kaotic]

(10-13-2015 10:11 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 05:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Flat Out BULLSHIT.

This is self defeating and game denial.

I'm fucking 5'8" and I've banged taller, shorter, and the same height.

Jesus, talk about an over-reaction. All the guy said was that height plays a significant role, I fail to see the game denialism in that.

Height + game > no height + game. That's just the way the cookie crumbles, man.

It's not an overreaction read the rest of his post. It's also a dead horse that finally needs to cremated.

I think height might play SOME role, but not all.

I agree with your formula but I've seen tall guys with game once in awhile get amoged by a shorter built guy with great game.

I'm not saying it happens constantly but it does happen.

[colblionel]

(10-13-2015 12:45 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 07:43 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

Funny this thread got bumped. I ran into this last week: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/very-...-partners/

Prepare for a bunch of statistics geekery if you click through, so here's the interesting parts; basically, science agrees with The_e_man's own experiences.

Quote:

After dividing respondents into different height groups, the researchers found that every group of men taller than 5 feet 4 inches had the same median number of sex partners: seven. Only men classified as “very short,” or between 5 feet 2 inches and 5 feet 4 inches, had a significantly different sexual history. They reported a median of five sex partners.

...

According to the authors, David Frederick and Brooke Jenkins, the explanation for their findings might be that women have a “minimal threshold” for male height — anyone taller is pretty much an acceptable potential mate and anyone shorter, not so much.

I've been taking a break from these parts, but will make a brief return to comment on this, since it's an area of expertise for me.

It had to be: I started college at 5'1" -- with my growth stunted from massive prescription drugs from a childhood illness. Luckily, I'd grow about 5 more inches.

Or was it lucky? From ages 18-20 I racked up 9 bangs with women from 5'3"-5'9." What I found is that if women like you, they'll say "I don't see you as short." Same as women who swear they won't date a black guy, but when they get seduced by one they're like "I don't see you as black." Black friends have told me they've heard this.

Besides that #9 count, there were at least 15 more I could have slept with, but decided otherwise for reasons that seem ridiculously petty now that I don't have instant access to girls ages 18-22. I've spoken about this before on here. It's now sad to think I rejected totally fine women who were ready and willing because "Ugh! She dresses like it's still the '70s and I don't want to be seen with her" or "Yuck! She had bad breath when we made out." Like I couldn't buy a bottle of Scope for my dorm room? Jeez. (Don't be like this.)

But I digress. Back to the main point: Some of my success was down to being around lots of single women in college. But then I knew guys much taller who never got laid for four years, so it wasn't all the environment.

Here is what I think what I had going for me that other short guys can copy:

1). I had a really good personality and sense of humor. Yes, this is a cliche. And I know some guys in the manosphere say things like "If a sense of humor was important than Carrot Top would be Brad Pitt" but let me explain why this is important.

When we talk to people, we take in more than their looks and personality. We get a vibe or a "visual" of the reality they represent. Everyone wants to hang at the fun beach party; no one wants to hang at the funeral home. You need to be the beach party. People, esp. women, latch onto "vibes" and often interpret "intense and argumentative" as "bitter loser." Save the bitterness for after the bang.

2). I was something of a novelty being so short. This seems counter- intuitive; how could a negative be positive? But women remembered me because I was different. This matters on some psychological level. I had taller friends that were bland and women would ask me over and over what their names were. But they remembered mine. It probably helped that I was cute and well put-together.

3). I always had either a girlfriend or a really good-looking girl I hung around (or two or three). This is a classic game technique of preselection. But it works. It's a good reason to keep girls as friends. Also, it helps if the girls in question are super-hot.

I discovered this in high school my senior year. I've told this story here before: In the final half of the school year, administration discovered I was shy of a health credit, so they put me in a health class that happened to be all freshman girls. 90 percent of them were hot. Each week I'd take a different one to the senior parties and as the weeks passed my rep grew as some sort of "stud" (as we called it back then). I wasn't dating these girls, but no one knew that. All they knew was that wherever I went, I had a a different hottie beside me. This matters.

4). I had tons of attitude and was the most irreverent person around. Self-explanatory. But in my case, I'll explain anyway: I grew up in NYC and went to high school and college in Maryland -- a place I considered a hick backwater. So part of me really was an arrogant SOB who thought I was way ahead of everyone in terms of style, music, art, etc. Wait, what am I saying? I *was* way ahead of everyone with their boring clothes and music! This attitude, obnoxious as it seems now, really worked for me.

5). I had a unique sense of style. My hair was long and I wore a black jacket. I tried to cop a DeeDee Ramone look, which seems silly now, but must have worked. I also have a philosophy that if people see you as "long-haired dude," they sort of don't notice you're "the short guy." It's a distraction. Works best if you play guitar.

I started doing poorly with women when I became less fun and more angry. The pressures of work, adulthood, Serious Issues, and eventually a troubled marriage drained the fun from me.

This is why post-divorce I'm not even close to being as successful as I was at 19. You can't fake being carefree and young, sad to say.

I think if you're short you should watch the movie "Arthur" (the original) and cop a vibe like the actor in that, who was like 5'2." I also used to get compared to Michael J. Fox.

One more thing. My exact height rarely came up. Had I come out and said "I'm 5'1"! when I started college, things might not have been so rosy.

I wonder how I would have done had there been online dating and you had to put down a number. They should make women put down their weight if men have to put down there height. See, there I go being bitter again. This is not what I would have said at 18. I'd have found a clever way around it.

How were you meeting these women. I'm assuming you weren't running up and doing day game. Was it through friends, social activity, small talk in class.

[Avon Barksdale]

(10-13-2015 12:46 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 12:25 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

Were does lifting weights fit into this equation

Short, built dudes are gonna look funny to some women no matter what you may think. At 6'3, I can be lean and require less game in general than another dude at 5'7 who is jacked (all things being equal).

As a matter of fact, I attribute many of my bangs to good height and facial features (since my game isn't that strong anyway).

I am gonna have to respectfully disagree,I don't think thats an absolute.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(10-13-2015 01:29 PM)colblionel Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 12:45 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 07:43 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

Funny this thread got bumped. I ran into this last week: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/very-...-partners/

Prepare for a bunch of statistics geekery if you click through, so here's the interesting parts; basically, science agrees with The_e_man's own experiences.

Quote:

After dividing respondents into different height groups, the researchers found that every group of men taller than 5 feet 4 inches had the same median number of sex partners: seven. Only men classified as “very short,” or between 5 feet 2 inches and 5 feet 4 inches, had a significantly different sexual history. They reported a median of five sex partners.

...

According to the authors, David Frederick and Brooke Jenkins, the explanation for their findings might be that women have a “minimal threshold” for male height — anyone taller is pretty much an acceptable potential mate and anyone shorter, not so much.

I've been taking a break from these parts, but will make a brief return to comment on this, since it's an area of expertise for me.

It had to be: I started college at 5'1" -- with my growth stunted from massive prescription drugs from a childhood illness. Luckily, I'd grow about 5 more inches.

Or was it lucky? From ages 18-20 I racked up 9 bangs with women from 5'3"-5'9." What I found is that if women like you, they'll say "I don't see you as short." Same as women who swear they won't date a black guy, but when they get seduced by one they're like "I don't see you as black." Black friends have told me they've heard this.

SNIP

How were you meeting these women. I'm assuming you weren't running up and doing day game. Was it through friends, social activity, small talk in class.

All of the above. Here is how I met women (this advice is really only good for college guys):

1). The dorm hall. I met every girl I could and made it a point to meet their friends who lived on other halls and in other dorms, because that gave me an "in."

2). The old high school. When I was a senior I cultivated a huge crop of freshman hotties who liked me. As they grew older I cashed in, so to speak. My folks' house was less than an hour away from my college, so I could tap into both worlds.

3). The college newspaper. I was a writer, then an editor. I got to know the staff, which consisted of scads of girls, including graphic designers, photographers, and other writers, which led me to...

4)....The Student Government. Since I wrote newspaper stories on the "SGA," I got to know this whole group of students, who were all very connected. I took this for granted at the time, thinking the SGA crowd were geeks. And they were, but boy were they connected.

5). Classes. This one is easy. But it was easier for me. I took a lot of liberal arts courses and was also the newspaper's arts and entertainment writer, then editor. Since there was always something of mine in the newspaper, professors would often single me out as a student "expert," so I got pretty well known, and people wanted to talk to me. (They also wanted to kill me when I insisted Jan & Dean did concept albums before the Beatles, but I digress.)

6). Specific arrangements. In two cases when I saw girls I absolutely had to meet, I made it a point to be-friend their guy friends, then magically happened to "meet" them at dinner in the dining hall when they were all sitting together. Sometimes you have to do things like this.

Here are a few examples of what I did, to show you what worked and how:

1). At the newspaper office, we had a freshman female writer who started college at age 16. She was a former child actress who was ahead because of tutoring. She was extremely hot and most guys kissed her ass, which was pathetic.

Once I found out she was so young, I started teasing her by singing that ridiculous old song "Young girl -- get out of my mind!!" I sang it in an awful mock-operatic voice. She was pretend-annoyed and would laugh and/or shoo me away. (At least one White Knight told a friend he was gonna "pop" me for disrespecting her, but it never happened.) Anyway, this went on for a few months. When I stopped doing it she asked "Where's my song?" That was a signal -- oddly enough -- she was interested.

2). By being a nosy little SOB, I learned one of the girls I liked (see #6, above) had taken courses in massage. So...I just happened to let it slip at dinner one night that I had "bad back problems." Of course, I had no such thing. As expected, she offered her services. After a few times of this -- and her "teaching" me to massage her -- we ended up hooking up. I think I seduced her with my weird psychedelic record collection and blue light bulb I'd put in the lamp. Worked wonders. I still buy blue bulbs.

3). By the time I was a junior I was heavily involved editing the school paper and had a job writing at the local paper. Professors knew this and would let me slide on attending some classes. When I complained out loud to some girls in an English lit class I was falling behind, one offered to help, which led to us getting together a few times. Moral: Women like to come to men's aid -- don't always make like you have the answers. Appeal to their inner nurse (or inner teacher).

4). Just go to every dorm room party, frat party, apartment get-together, and "mixer" you can. More times than I can count, a woman I knew got a few beers in her and started getting touchy with me. Of course, these days that can land you in hot water, but I assume most college girls aren't potential false accusers. Whatever the case, parties were an infinite source for hook ups for me -- none of whom seemed to care when I had a g/f back home and they saw her pic when we went back to my room.

5). This sounds awful, but in one case I purposely befriended a really unattractive, weird girl because she had a hot friend I wanted to meet. Her friend had come to visit from the nearby all-girls school, Goucher College. When I caught a glimpse of Ms. Goucher, I knew I had to get with her (which I did, many times over many years). To accomplish this, I really rolled out the red carpet for her weird friend, having dinner with her and her geek crowd and going to their (awful) movie nights. But it worked. They all said of me "He's the nicest guy!" and when Goucher Girl came back to visit, I was in like Flynn.

[The Wire]

(10-12-2015 08:08 PM)colblionel Wrote:  

Honestly I think if you're short like 5'0-5'8 you shouldn't rely JUST ON COLD APPROACH to meet girls.

There is no absolute grouping like that but I would say for every inch under 6ft you are , that is a big ding on your profile(how big of a ding is dependent on the girl). The ding starts become larger and larger as you go down the height chart. Think of it like a earthquake richter scale except the opposite where the lower you go the bigger it gets. Putting someone who is 5'8" into the same group as someone who is 5'0" is like grouping a 9 earthquake with a 5. They are not even comparable. A guy who lists 5'8" with the perfect profile will still get laid more than the average guy on online who is 6'3". Thats only because the average guy online is the bottom of the barrel douche.

[HankMoody]

Ironically, I filter my OKC results for girls who are 5'3 and under.

[colblionel]

(10-13-2015 02:08 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 01:29 PM)colblionel Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 12:45 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 07:43 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

Funny this thread got bumped. I ran into this last week: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/very-...-partners/

Prepare for a bunch of statistics geekery if you click through, so here's the interesting parts; basically, science agrees with The_e_man's own experiences.

Quote:

After dividing respondents into different height groups, the researchers found that every group of men taller than 5 feet 4 inches had the same median number of sex partners: seven. Only men classified as “very short,” or between 5 feet 2 inches and 5 feet 4 inches, had a significantly different sexual history. They reported a median of five sex partners.

...

According to the authors, David Frederick and Brooke Jenkins, the explanation for their findings might be that women have a “minimal threshold” for male height — anyone taller is pretty much an acceptable potential mate and anyone shorter, not so much.

I've been taking a break from these parts, but will make a brief return to comment on this, since it's an area of expertise for me.

It had to be: I started college at 5'1" -- with my growth stunted from massive prescription drugs from a childhood illness. Luckily, I'd grow about 5 more inches.

Or was it lucky? From ages 18-20 I racked up 9 bangs with women from 5'3"-5'9." What I found is that if women like you, they'll say "I don't see you as short." Same as women who swear they won't date a black guy, but when they get seduced by one they're like "I don't see you as black." Black friends have told me they've heard this.

SNIP

How were you meeting these women. I'm assuming you weren't running up and doing day game. Was it through friends, social activity, small talk in class.

All of the above. Here is how I met women (this advice is really only good for college guys):

1). The dorm hall. I met every girl I could and made it a point to meet their friends who lived on other halls and in other dorms, because that gave me an "in."

2). The old high school. When I was a senior I cultivated a huge crop of freshman hotties who liked me. As they grew older I cashed in, so to speak. My folks' house was less than an hour away from my college, so I could tap into both worlds.

3). The college newspaper. I was a writer, then an editor. I got to know the staff, which consisted of scads of girls, including graphic designers, photographers, and other writers, which led me to...

4)....The Student Government. Since I wrote newspaper stories on the "SGA," I got to know this whole group of students, who were all very connected. I took this for granted at the time, thinking the SGA crowd were geeks. And they were, but boy were they connected.

5). Classes. This one is easy. But it was easier for me. I took a lot of liberal arts courses and was also the newspaper's arts and entertainment writer, then editor. Since there was always something of mine in the newspaper, professors would often single me out as a student "expert," so I got pretty well known, and people wanted to talk to me. (They also wanted to kill me when I insisted Jan & Dean did concept albums before the Beatles, but I digress.)

6). Specific arrangements. In two cases when I saw girls I absolutely had to meet, I made it a point to be-friend their guy friends, then magically happened to "meet" them at dinner in the dining hall when they were all sitting together. Sometimes you have to do things like this.

Here are a few examples of what I did, to show you what worked and how:

1). At the newspaper office, we had a freshman female writer who started college at age 16. She was a former child actress who was ahead because of tutoring. She was extremely hot and most guys kissed her ass, which was pathetic.

Once I found out she was so young, I started teasing her by singing that ridiculous old song "Young girl -- get out of my mind!!" I sang it in an awful mock-operatic voice. She was pretend-annoyed and would laugh and/or shoo me away. (At least one White Knight told a friend he was gonna "pop" me for disrespecting her, but it never happened.) Anyway, this went on for a few months. When I stopped doing it she asked "Where's my song?" That was a signal -- oddly enough -- she was interested.

2). By being a nosy little SOB, I learned one of the girls I liked (see #6, above) had taken courses in massage. So...I just happened to let it slip at dinner one night that I had "bad back problems." Of course, I had no such thing. As expected, she offered her services. After a few times of this -- and her "teaching" me to massage her -- we ended up hooking up. I think I seduced her with my weird psychedelic record collection and blue light bulb I'd put in the lamp. Worked wonders. I still buy blue bulbs.

3). By the time I was a junior I was heavily involved editing the school paper and had a job writing at the local paper. Professors knew this and would let me slide on attending some classes. When I complained out loud to some girls in an English lit class I was falling behind, one offered to help, which led to us getting together a few times. Moral: Women like to come to men's aid -- don't always make like you have the answers. Appeal to their inner nurse (or inner teacher).

4). Just go to every dorm room party, frat party, apartment get-together, and "mixer" you can. More times than I can count, a woman I knew got a few beers in her and started getting touchy with me. Of course, these days that can land you in hot water, but I assume most college girls aren't potential false accusers. Whatever the case, parties were an infinite source for hook ups for me -- none of whom seemed to care when I had a g/f back home and they saw her pic when we went back to my room.

5). This sounds awful, but in one case I purposely befriended a really unattractive, weird girl because she had a hot friend I wanted to meet. Her friend had come to visit from the nearby all-girls school, Goucher College. When I caught a glimpse of Ms. Goucher, I knew I had to get with her (which I did, many times over many years). To accomplish this, I really rolled out the red carpet for her weird friend, having dinner with her and her geek crowd and going to their (awful) movie nights. But it worked. They all said of me "He's the nicest guy!" and when Goucher Girl came back to visit, I was in like Flynn.

this is gold I was expecting an answer like this. I feel like this is how guys with good social skills get laid. They socially engineer an environment that allows them to meet and bang girls, correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like this is WAY HARDER than going out and doing straight cold approach, it's easy to go out and talk to chicks once you get past approach anxiety.

If I was a short guy or any guy in college again, I would join a frat no doubt. Not just any frat but a good one at least. From there it's just a status game and leveraging it whenever you get the opportunity. The chicks that are into that stuff(which is a lot apparently) will fuck you, and you don't have to be the hottest guy, but its a bonus.

[deathtofatties]

(10-11-2015 09:06 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

Girls THINK they're attracted to height and pretty much every girl I've ever banged has said something along the lines of "I don't usually go for short guys" or "I usually only bang guys over 6 foot", etc. However when it came down to it that didn't stop them banging my 5'5" ass. If you have the game, you'll get the pussy.

[papaiela]

After a night out without love, it's time for me to reflect and seek for some advice from my short hermanos.

It's about targeting.

I've been going out at night consistently for the past 6 months to night clubs. I have improved tremendously my night game, dance floor game etc... I also did some Day Game not as much but I have some experience.

In night clubs I feel like I cannot really outperform. I cannot get the girls I want, I can dance with them because of my dancing skills and fun vibe but that's as far as it gets. The venues I am talking about are loud venues where talking is not really part of the game. It's a physically imposing environment where being tall is such an attraction builder. I can dance the dance and build some value with that but I can't really use my verbal game which is my strong suit. I know I will eventually get better and get lucky because of the law of numbers but I want to allocate my resources better so I am asking for your opinion.

I want to allocate my time to the thing that will get me more result so I have two options:

- Stick to night clubs and continue the fight maybe I am doing something wrong.

- More Day game and go to salsa venues once or twice a week instead of clubs.

I just want to make clear that this post is about targeting or resource allocation rather than some self limiting bs.

[britchard]

Not sure why it's been said that height doesn't matter in this thread. Obviously 1 or 2 inch differences don't make a huge difference, but if you take a 6'4 guy with a 6/10 face and a 5'4 guy with a 7/10 face, the 6'4 guy will get at least 5x as much interest and bangs, assuming everything else is equal.

[Vaun]

I'm 5'9", and primarily now go after taller women. Its a test of my game, but I have come to realize that shorter women are not as attractive as taller women. I would have never done this in my earlier self, with the fear and inability to openly approach, but now I do without any fear. I took one out last night, who in heels was taller than me. Dudes were all cranking their necks when we walked by, she was a stunner. Its a new challenge that makes you up your game. No reason to get butt hurt about being shorter, deal with it, dont act or react like a victim, and own it. A lot of taller women wont care at all if you do a good job seducing them.

[papaiela]

Quote:

Not sure why it's been said that height doesn't matter in this thread. Obviously 1 or 2 inch differences don't make a huge difference, but if you take a 6'4 guy with a 6/10 face and a 5'4 guy with a 7/10 face, the 6'4 guy will get at least 5x as much interest and bangs, assuming everything else is equal.

You're right about this but how about we compare this guy to his pre-game self?

People in the game community tend to say that height and looks don't matter because game is about yourself. You always have to compare yourself to your older self and acknowledge the improvement. Many people fall into the trap of comparing themselves to others. It has happened to me in the past and it's a motivation killer.

My question in my previous post was not really about self limiting belief because I believe that a short guy with tight game and effort can get as much pussy as anyone out there.

My question is about resource allocation. Where should I invest myself? And my time?

As a short guy will I get better result doing Day Game rather than night sausage fest game where height is maybe the number one attraction builder.

I know my strengths: Verbal game and dancing skills
I know my weakness: Height

How can I maximize the returns?

In a night club,I cannot use one of my assets to build attraction (verbal game) thus it hinders my results in terms of girls.

Will I have an advantage in a more niche venue? Like salsa where girls are more focused on your dancing skills rather than height.

Is Daygame better because I can use my verbal game?

I am just wondering where should a short guy focus to get more result in terms of pussy.

[AboveAverageJoe]

Day game always beats night game my friend, maybe not in immediacy but definitely in quality.
Don't let your height be your excuse or downfall. Some of the best players I know, myself included, are average 5,9" to the mid to lower fives. Many tall (over 6') guys I know are terrified of opening a girl, chicks open them and even then they can't seem to close.
Think of funny one-liners to self-deprecate your height in a humorous way.
"Yeah, I am short, even my cock. Luckily I have the girth of a beer can."
"Yeah, Im short so what you're skinny, that never kept me from getting busy."-Humpty Dance reference, works good on black girls.
"Yeah, you know what they say-tall guy, big feet, probably has a pencil dick."
I even make jokes about having a small dick.
"Yeah girls think short guys aren't packing. You won't be saying that when I am tickling your spine, from the inside."
Take it as a challenge. Own it, agree and amplify.
"Its a good thing I am short I heard -blank- girls have short pussies."
"It's all good, I will just stand on my toes during shower sex."
If you are so short that when fucking long-legged bitches you can't do doggy. Do froggy.
Honestly when your swag is on point women rarely even remark on your height and even then it is a minor shit test.
It is not like you are Peter Dinklage or Mini-me. Both of whom I am sure need a trailer or flatbed to carry the amount of ass they get.
Own it, whatever flaw whatever strength, own it. That is what real men do.

[papaiela]

(07-09-2016 11:08 AM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

Day game always beats night game my friend, maybe not in immediacy but definitely in quality.
Don't let your height be your excuse or downfall. Some of the best players I know, myself included, are average 5,9" to the mid to lower fives. Many tall (over 6') guys I know are terrified of opening a girl, chicks open them and even then they can't seem to close.
Think of funny one-liners to self-deprecate your height in a humorous way.
"Yeah, I am short, even my cock. Luckily I have the girth of a beer can."
"Yeah, Im short so what you're skinny, that never kept me from getting busy."-Humpty Dance reference, works good on black girls.
"Yeah, you know what they say-tall guy, big feet, probably has a pencil dick."
I even make jokes about having a small dick.
"Yeah girls think short guys aren't packing. You won't be saying that when I am tickling your spine, from the inside."
Take it as a challenge. Own it, agree and amplify.
"Its a good thing I am short I heard -blank- girls have short pussies."
"It's all good, I will just stand on my toes during shower sex."
If you are so short that when fucking long-legged bitches you can't do doggy. Do froggy.
Honestly when your swag is on point women rarely even remark on your height and even then it is a minor shit test.
It is not like you are Peter Dinklage or Mini-me. Both of whom I am sure need a trailer or flatbed to carry the amount of ass they get.
Own it, whatever flaw whatever strength, own it. That is what real men do.

AAJ I agree with all of the above and truth is I am already owning it. I know how to be humorous about my height and I am fully embracing it.

My question was more strategical and I think I answered it. Where will I get more result? If I capitalize on Day versus Night. By finding a niche?

I stumbled upon this article written by heartiste where he advocates to focus more on less physical imposing environment aka Daygame. It doesn't mean you are condemned to Day Game as a short guy but I think waht is meant here is if you had to choose between one year of DG and NG as a short guy you will probably get more quality results from DG.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/02/...-man-game/

[AboveAverageJoe]

Short guys can kill at night game but usually only if they are in a strong social cricle, in venue lock-down mode, or bring hot chicks with you to wing for you and prove your DHV through pre-selection. Wear hats and tall boots/shoes at night.
I just don't see the point in paying to go somewhere where you are at a distinct disadvantage-the club. When you could be the only guy hitting on chicks at your local whole foods. For me daygame is best because women are singled out and alone, and their bitch sheilds are normally down.

[NickDunne]

(10-09-2015 10:01 AM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

All guys who are short need to start putting work in the gym.

All guys who are still not doing it need to start putting work in the gym.