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Charlie the model: pushing through
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Charlie the model: pushing through

There is an important lesson in this pickup and it was funny because, I was actually trying to leave this girl and she practically would not let me leave. It was a comedy…I couldn’t make this stuff up even if I was paid to. (Like most American girls – she’s a bit nuts!)

I went to check some new places in Wynwood. One spot was an art gallery and a lounge called Cafeina. Cool place but mostly big groups of older people and no really good looking girls. Then I went to a place called Shots, right down the street, younger crowd but about the same, no targets. As I was driving back I noticed this place and decided to go in to see what was happening. It was dead too, not one single decent target. As I was about to leave I saw a waitress walking by, I checked her out and noticed that she was definitely very nice. I look around the place again just to be sure but yep she was the only decent looking girl in there. Now, I don’t normally like picking up working girls because they get hit on a lot but it was either that or I go home without even trying. And since I knew I would hate myself if I went home without at least trying the decision was made.

I approached her and opened her with something about the place being empty and we started chatting. It was all pretty much standard stuff nothing special. The only thing I did notice was that she was making and maintaining eye contact. But the real IOI was that she kept coming back. One sure way to know if a working girl is interested in you is if she keeps returning to talk to you. Because she can just go run around and do her job, she doesn’t need to come back and talk to you. So after talking to her for about an hour, she was also doing like 60% of the talking, I decided to leave. She wasn’t going to get off until after 4 and I couldn’t stay talking to this girl for another three hours. So I told her straight up that I liked her and wanted to see her again. She looked at me and said that she was “flattered but that she was not available.” Now, I thought that was a strange word to use but more importantly she didn’t run away she just stood there looking at me. Now, this is where a lot of guys mess up, they ask a girl out and she turns them down and they quit right there. But, while she may have turned me down, her body language was saying something different. Just the fact that she was still there talking to me meant something. So I just ignored it, didn’t react to it, said something like ok and just kept talking – actually I moved closer to her less than one feet. And this is where it got interesting…

After about 15 mins from the point she said no, her behavior started to change. She got more excited and energetic, she started touching me more as she talked and she really started talking. Now, she was like talking about 90% of the time. I was just standing there leaning back and nodding my head and saying hmmm and stuff like that. Here are some highlights of that conversation:

She recently suffered some allergic reacting to some birth control pills that made her breast two size smaller AND she is happy about this. Why is she happy about this? Because for all of her life she has been ashamed of her big breast which she had since she was 12. She was ashamed of them because men were always hitting on her and trying to have sex with her because of her breast. So she came to associate her breast with these “perverts.” So now that her breasts are smaller she is thrilled.

She was a virgin throughout high school. She had a boyfriend for three years and never had sex. Everyone thought she was a slut because of her big breast but she never had sex with any guy in high school. She was even a cheerleader and while a lot of her friends were having sex she never did. She is actually proud of this but this was another reason she hated her breast.

She thinks her best personality trait is that she is funny. She said she had a dry sense of humor. I said, everyone thinks there are funny. So then she started to try to make me laugh. But trust me, she is not a funny girl, I wasn’t getting her humor but she wouldn’t quit. She kept trying and trying, I finally decided to laugh just so she would stop. And she immediately went, see, I told you I was funny! She was so happy that she thought she made me laugh that I started laughing for real. I couldn’t help thinking this shit is hilarious. I have a girl that’s trying to entertain me and make me laugh and I have to fake laughing.

But I was getting mentally tired from the talking, I just couldn’t take it anymore. I literally tried to leave three times but she wouldn’t let me. It was ridiculous. I would suggest she go and service the customers and she would just say ah, they don’t need anything right now. And when she did go, she would be sure to tell me that she was coming back. I felt like I was the one being gamed now and just like a girl I felt trapped - this was too much.

She told me she need a website when she found out I made websites. She asked me how much I would charge her to build her website. I told her and she said she didn’t have any money right now. We ended up having a whole discussion about how she would pay for her website. She gave me a detail break down of all of her expenses – how could she find the money to pay me. I finally told her since she met a lot of men she could try to sell them our services and I would pay her a commission which would go towards her website. She loved this idea and asked me to give her a bunch of cards to start handing out. So now, she had become a potential business associate. I gave her all the cards I had in my wallet and she said is this all, she wanted more. So I went to the car and got her a bunch more. So now she started telling me about her modeling and acting. I was still trying to leave but she wouldn’t let me. Every time I tried to end the conversation she would just ignore me and kept talking. I was starting to get a headache, I couldn’t focus on what she was saying anymore, I was just standing there nodding my head.

At some point she actually told me she was really single but she tells guys that she is unavailable because she doesn’t want to lie – she’s a good Christian girl. She said, guys get obsessed with her. All I could think about was where was one of these guys right now. I was beginning to zone out, her lips were moving but I couldn’t hear the words, she was touching me even more. She was doing almost 100% of the talking now, I don’t even remembered what I said, I think I was incoherent. At some point, I just told her I had to leave and just kissed her and walked out. I was done for the night, Charlie had talked me out of whatever sexual interest I had - now I was just mentally tired.

** The important point I wanted to make here was how by ignoring her initial response of her turning me down when I asked her out and not reacting to it, I somehow gained her respect and this changed everything. From that point on she was the one doing the gaming or the torturing depending on how you look at it. Don’t walk away just because a woman tells you something, doesn’t matter what it is, PUSH THROUGH. As long as she is still there interacting with you, keep going. In the end the only thing that matters is what she does, not what she says.

PS To be honest, I would need some sort of chemical help to handle Charlie and the sheer amount of talking she is capable of. I honestly don’t think I could sit through two more hours of it. But other than that, she’s a very nice girl and who knows, maybe she will get me some business.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

+1 from me. Good stuff, nice read.

Can't tell you how many times I've had no clue what to do with the hired help at restaurants/bars etc. and have 'erred on the side of caution' and passed up opportunities undoubtedly. But a lot of my (admittedly minimal, but still improving) recent success has just been 'pushing through' as you term it. This is not only during the initial meeting(s) but also in the bedroom as well.

But here it's pretty much you kept your frame, stayed in the game, didn't take no for an answer and things worked out due to your work. Also, she is at a point in her life where she's really open to being approached, and you fit the bill perfectly (correct?), which is very key. As a 'good Christian girl' I think she's ready for a breakout and it's time to get durtyyy maybe?

Re dating Charlie, maybe just take her out and get drunk and go from there, perhaps doing some sort of 'fun' activity like pool, bowling, etc.?

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Charlie the model: pushing through

Thanks. It's tough picking up working girls. It requires a lot more courage because you are also out in the open and people are watching you. All of this happened in the front of the lounge with all of the male servers looking at us. At first I was a little uncomfortable but as I got into the zone I didn't care anymore. Sure, you can just go for a phone number but I wanted to make a statement and I wanted to do it in an emphatic fashion - I desire you and I don't care who knows it. If you can do this, it can make a big difference in really reaching a girl.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

Great story. Highlights a key game point: continued physical presence = green/amber light. No matter what she says or does, if she's still there, just keep going. I have experienced this myself...with a girl rebuffing my advances, but she was still there. There was a great point made in another thread that quoted something from 4chan, that said that women get satisfaction/sexual pleasure (or some kind of pleasure) from resisting the advances of men. It's part of their blueprint (i.e. it's normal). Always have to keep that in mind.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

Caffeina is cool when they have events(such as new liquor hitting the market or a hosted party)

Did you go on saturday when the have the art walk? Lots of chicks just mingling and walking from studio to studio.

Good story and you're absolutely right. Most girls won't think twice about dismissing you while working. But if you push the right buttons they get real chatty. The only downside is when the place is packed and she's running around.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

Hilarious post - made my day! Thank you!
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Charlie the model: pushing through

Thanks. No, it was a Friday. And she told me that if I come back tomorrow (Art Walk Saturday) it would be pack. She said, the Friday before Art Walk was always slow. I went to Floatopia that Saturday met another crazy American girl on the beach and got worn out so I didn't go back on Saturday but will check it out next month.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

@Akula I have learned from experience not to allow crazy people into my life. I use to believe I could control how they affected me but I have learned from experience I can't. I can't control how they will impact my life. So now, I have a hard screen against people that I deem too crazy. All of us have some craziness going on in our lives but I have clear idea of what I consider too much and I screen hard for it. I didn't tell everything Charlie told me in that story, only the more entertaining stuff.

The fact that I had to abruptly leave that night is the first sign that a girl is too nutty for me. Anytime I find myself wanting to just get away from a girl, that's my experience telling me that nothing good will come of this. And since I am not a notch guy, I won't put up with the craziness just to get some sex. Just talking to these girls can be dangerous. Once a model broke down in a hotel room right before we were suppose to have sex and started telling me about how she was sexually abused as a kid by her own relatives. Now I knew this girl had issues before that night but I continued to see her. There was no way I could unlearn that information. I never look at her the same after that. Once a girl tells you things, it changes your view of her, and you can't pretend you don't know those things anymore.

If you want to lead a happy and emotionally healthy life you have to keep crazy people out of it. It's like mixing water with your gas then wondering why your car is driving like shit.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

Sounds like you thought she was hot, and at the same time didn't enjoy talking to her much.

Another pretty girl who never needed to develop a personality. Used to guys buying into her delusional BS. Further validating her shitty excuse for humor and personality. You didn't do that. Distinguished yourself.

Surprised you spent so many hours talking to this vapid girl. Must have thought she was really desirable.

I was in a similar situation at an entertainment networking event in LA. Typical air head actress/model/dancer. Going on and on about how people in the business don't respect her talent, only see her tits & ass, etc etc. Funny how after all these experiences, these girls don't stop to consider they could cultivate other aspects of their life if they want to be seen as more than sex objects.

Anyway, after 30 minutes of listening to her drone on and on, and on, and on, and on, about the most boring self absorbed validation seeking I've ever experienced, I told her "look, I think you're sexy. I'm getting pretty tired. Do you want to come hang out at my place?" Stopped her flow cold. I basically re-inforced everything she had spent the last 30 minutes telling me she was not in a 5 second question.

She got really mad. I politely explained to her that I wasn't into chatting all night, but I did think she was super sexy, and I sincerely wanted to cuddle, massage her back, kiss her body, in pretty explicit detail.

She thanked me for the interest, but insisted she was only there in a "professional" capacity, and that I was not very professional to proposition her. Fair enough. It felt good to be 100% honest. I just couldn't endure her personality any further. She chatted up mass groups of guys about our interaction for hours the entire rest of the night. "can you believe what he said??" A couple white knights who got hooked on her venting confronted me later on, but I befriended and diffused.

I still think honestly is the best policy if you're not feeling the vibe. She respected me more. Her body language changed. She got visibly turned on. But at the end of the day, shit man, life's too short to plow girls you don't even enjoy talking to.

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Charlie the model: pushing through

The reason I stayed is actually interesting too and I didn't tell it. I have a thing about astrology. I use it to screen girls. Her birthday is in July. Now, my experience with Cancer girls have been very good. Plus it was within a day of some girls I get along with really well. She even told me her best friend is the same sign as me.

This was the reason she got that 2nd hour. There are certain astrological signs I am welling to give more of a chance to than others.
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Charlie the model: pushing through

Quote: (09-17-2013 08:46 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Akula I have learned from experience not to allow crazy people into my life. I use to believe I could control how they affected me but I have learned from experience I can't. I can't control how they will impact my life. So now, I have a hard screen against people that I deem too crazy. All of us have some craziness going on in our lives but I have clear idea of what I consider too much and I screen hard for it. I didn't tell everything Charlie told me in that story, only the more entertaining stuff.

The fact that I had to abruptly leave that night is the first sign that a girl is too nutty for me. Anytime I find myself wanting to just get away from a girl, that's my experience telling me that nothing good will come of this. And since I am not a notch guy, I won't put up with the craziness just to get some sex. Just talking to these girls can be dangerous. Once a model broke down in a hotel room right before we were suppose to have sex and started telling me about how she was sexually abused as a kid by her own relatives. Now I knew this girl had issues before that night but I continued to see her. There was no way I could unlearn that information. I never look at her the same after that. Once a girl tells you things, it changes your view of her, and you can't pretend you don't know those things anymore.

If you want to lead a happy and emotionally healthy life you have to keep crazy people out of it. It's like mixing water with your gas then wondering why your car is driving like shit.

Yeah, I can really respect what you are saying. After a few times of 'getting burned' it's just not worth it - it only brings you down. There's a not-so-fine line between a woman having a few issues and being a healthy, normal person and a budding psycho who will never change due to their past. But earlier in life it's trickier for most men to a) figure it out and b) not be so entranced by her beauty and let it go.

I had an ex maybe 8-9 years ago who was a really attractive Austrian blonde - Top Tier girl. This was when I was overworked and super-Beta, in my late 20s/early 30s searching for "the One." Social-circle introduction, freind of friend, banged her on the 2nd date. And man I can tell you I latched onto her pretty quickly and was basically terrified of losing her after that. As far as I was concerned back then I wanted to get married, this was it, she's the one, etc. Sure she had some issues but I could change her, right? And where would I find another girl as beautiful/European as her?

It was long distance too so I called her all the time, went to see her and met her parents, and had her visit me for 3 weeks after which we went on a very nice trip for a week to the Caribbean. Then during the first day on vacation she said 'it's over' which was a crushing blow (after the beach we were coming back and I was taking her to meet my Dad, sister and her family). Then she told me she'd been hit/abused by her ex-boyfriend, couldn't be serious now, etc. Go figure. I was seriously bummed, but funnily enough this actually was the beginning of me going 'red pill' with women (just the beginning mind you, would take many years). After a day or two of trying to reason with her I was like 'f*ck it" I'm on vacation I am just going to have fun and shake this off". This actually worked by the end of the 7-day trip and I got a couple 'breakup bangs' by the end of it. But no way was I ever going to change her or would it have worked out (particularly given how crappy my 'frame' had been from the get go with that relationship, not to mention her issues). I guess if it doesn't kill you/rip your guts out it just makes you stronger? [Image: smile.gif]

I'm not much of a 'notch guy' either, and typically now only go for high quality. But I gotta watch myself too - for example, after I broke up with another girlfriend a couple years ago I quickly got involved with a very hot but crazy single mom for months on end. She had an absentee dad and terrible first husband who dumped her and ran off to live in Malaysia with another woman, and ended up being a single mom living at home with her sister and mom. She was being 'sponsored' here in Moscow by some old rich dude before we met, and was just nuts a lot of the time and clearly didn't like men due to her past. After a few months I just dropped her, just wasn't worth the drama or time, even though she was an incredible bang. But for me, I always have to be fighting the urge to 'change' them especially if they are very attractive or model-quality.

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Charlie the model: pushing through

I hear you. My problem was I wanted to help them. I wanted to be a "hero". Over the years, I cannot tell you how many of these crazy girls I tried to help and I never really was able to do that. Whatever I did was always just a temporary band aid. The root cause would always create another problem. It's also very easy to get emotionally involved with these women and their problems. So now, I just stay away, I don't even want to know about their problems.
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