[Felix88]

Japan still don't like people with tattoos, it seem.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/natio...ace-tattoo

from the woman

Quote:

I’m not used to being treated like that

not used to lol

[Laner]

Thats ridiculous.

That onsen/tattoo law needs some slack. It would have to be a pretty retarded Japanese hick that would not be able to tell the difference between Maori tribal tattoos and Yakuza Irezumi.



Maori women generally leave the tattoos on the chin.

[Felix88]

It still looks stupid.

[Quintus Curtius]

Tattoos are just not socially acceptable in Japan. And in rural Japan (Hokkaido), the stigma is going to be even worse. I don't see this story as that shocking.

[Laner]

(09-15-2013 12:52 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Tattoos are just not socially acceptable in Japan. And in rural Japan (Hokkaido), the stigma is going to be even worse. I don't see this story as that shocking.

Exactly why the Yaks have been tattooing themselves and their women. Good luck entering mainstream Japanese society. You are essentially banished for ever.

And considering how often Japanese companies take their employees to onsen or sento it would be impossible to hide it.

Even the new recruits have their Kenshu and head to a spa town, get drunk and run around in their Yukatas.

This is just an antiquated law in Japan. Now days the Yakuza have no need to enter public sento and would have their own private places so the "no tattoo" law is just a bit of a hold over from the elder generation.

[CJ_W]

(09-15-2013 01:26 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 12:52 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Tattoos are just not socially acceptable in Japan. And in rural Japan (Hokkaido), the stigma is going to be even worse. I don't see this story as that shocking.

Exactly why the Yaks have been tattooing themselves and their women. Good luck entering mainstream Japanese society. You are essentially banished for ever.

And considering how often Japanese companies take their employees to onsen or sento it would be impossible to hide it.

Even the new recruits have their Kenshu and head to a spa town, get drunk and run around in their Yukatas.

This is just an antiquated law in Japan. Now days the Yakuza have no need to enter public sento and would have their own private places so the "no tattoo" law is just a bit of a hold over from the elder generation.

You seem to have had experience in Japan, but didn't get to take time to understand the culture. (No I don't mean "go to shrines, learn about their religion etc etc kind of b.s.)

Mainly the part of having different "faces" you have your face that you show to the public, and the face that you show your close freinds/family. This is the main reason why this law is still enforced and enforced heavily, and is not going away anytime soon. Even if you're NOT Japanese, hell most GYMs do not except people with tatoos period. You could be pasty white, or dark as midnight, doesn't matter. Someone above touched on it, if you tatoo yourself and join the yaks, YOU ARE DONE with mainstream society in Japan. There are a lot of reason why this is so, and why Japan is pretty much one of the only first world nations that has its mafia's hands in pretty much everything there. . . I can go on and on but really, sometimes you can't pass judgement on cultures, or even worse say shit in public If you were still in Japan you'd better keep your mouth in some really silent whispers when you mention Yakuza, or mafia. . .you just NEVER know who can hear you/understand English.

It really is better to just stay silent on a lot of stuff if you're in Japan or just on Japan. . .a LOT of people talk about it like they know what they're talking about, when they have only seen the "face" that they is shown to the world. . .not what's REALLY going on there.

If youve lived in a major city there for a number of years, and gotten yourself involved with a lto of people there throuhg networking etc. . .eventually you'll find out a lot that people would never know/and or believe about that place. (Its not really bad. . .just intersting and different) Whenever I see a documentary trying to figure out shit there I laugh because they don't understand they're just being shown a "face" and have been fed a ton of B.S. lol

[Sourcecode]

and you are part of the Japanese underworld?

[Laner]

(09-17-2013 08:56 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 01:26 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 12:52 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Tattoos are just not socially acceptable in Japan. And in rural Japan (Hokkaido), the stigma is going to be even worse. I don't see this story as that shocking.

Exactly why the Yaks have been tattooing themselves and their women. Good luck entering mainstream Japanese society. You are essentially banished for ever.

And considering how often Japanese companies take their employees to onsen or sento it would be impossible to hide it.

Even the new recruits have their Kenshu and head to a spa town, get drunk and run around in their Yukatas.

This is just an antiquated law in Japan. Now days the Yakuza have no need to enter public sento and would have their own private places so the "no tattoo" law is just a bit of a hold over from the elder generation.

You seem to have had experience in Japan, but didn't get to take time to understand the culture. (No I don't mean "go to shrines, learn about their religion etc etc kind of b.s.)

Mainly the part of having different "faces" you have your face that you show to the public, and the face that you show your close freinds/family. This is the main reason why this law is still enforced and enforced heavily, and is not going away anytime soon. Even if you're NOT Japanese, hell most GYMs do not except people with tatoos period. You could be pasty white, or dark as midnight, doesn't matter. Someone above touched on it, if you tatoo yourself and join the yaks, YOU ARE DONE with mainstream society in Japan. There are a lot of reason why this is so, and why Japan is pretty much one of the only first world nations that has its mafia's hands in pretty much everything there. . . I can go on and on but really, sometimes you can't pass judgement on cultures, or even worse say shit in public If you were still in Japan you'd better keep your mouth in some really silent whispers when you mention Yakuza, or mafia. . .you just NEVER know who can hear you/understand English.

It really is better to just stay silent on a lot of stuff if you're in Japan or just on Japan. . .a LOT of people talk about it like they know what they're talking about, when they have only seen the "face" that they is shown to the world. . .not what's REALLY going on there.

If youve lived in a major city there for a number of years, and gotten yourself involved with a lto of people there throuhg networking etc. . .eventually you'll find out a lot that people would never know/and or believe about that place. (Its not really bad. . .just intersting and different) Whenever I see a documentary trying to figure out shit there I laugh because they don't understand they're just being shown a "face" and have been fed a ton of B.S. lol

Some people are just more aware of the "Japanophilia" of the place. It sounds like you yourself might be in this group. I will admit that the first time I went there in 1999 I was pretty interested in getting to know as much about the culture as I could, and geeked out with weird things that most Japanese dont give a shit about.

After a number of visits this changed. I had three close friends move there in 1999 and they stayed. I also have family in Tokyo. Out of my circle of friends and family there, none of them give a shit about tattoos anymore. They have traveled, have sons and daughters in creative industries and know the difference between a Yak and a guitar player.

One good friend of mine worked with Yakuza for years splitting cars and shipping them to Australia. We had nights out to Snacks and Hostess Bars with some of the younger guys. Not sure what you mean by having to whisper about them. Never got that impression at all.

Closest I ever came to confrontation was out in Fuji one night. We were drunk and driving back from Enoshima. There was a blacked out Benz on the country road waiting to cross a train track. No train was coming and one of my buddies, who knew it was a Yak car, leans over and honks the horn. The Yakuza gets out of his car and starts walking toward us. We are four guys, all Albertans well over 6' tall and the driver is 6'4" 250 pound hockey player from Edmonton. Keep in mind we are all in a Japanese yellow plate 1600cc "K-car" so it looks like we are even bigger than we are. The Yak dude is shielding his eyes from the headlights of our car and when he can finally see us grinning drunkenly at him his eyes bulge out and he gives a quick bow and walks quickly to his car and drives off.

Point is, there is an old Japan and a new Japan. I dont know much about old Japan but new Japan I do know quite well.

[Felix88]

The yakuzas are just leave you alone as long as you don't bother their businesses, also they can also be quite nice and know how to talk to people. the bousouzoku punks on the other hand are obnoxious.

[kurbatskiy]

(09-13-2013 11:41 AM)Felix88 Wrote:  

Japan still don't like people with tattoos, it seem.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/natio...ace-tattoo

from the woman

Quote:

I’m not used to being treated like that

not used to lol

Majority of people would prefer a tattoo anywhere else on their body, but most of the usually draw a line when it comes to putting a tattoo on the face. Ideally, the face is the first thing anyone would look at in a person and it is not usually not that comfortable to stare at someone with a deadly tattoo embedded on the face. But the fact that there are a lot of people put there with shitty face tattoos doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get a pretty tattoo on your face.
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[John Michael Kane]

People that have tattoos (especially on the face) strike me as attention seekers. Call me biased, but a woman that screws up her face like that is an attention whore. No need to entertain her, they made the right choice.

[Belgrano]

(09-30-2015 08:35 AM)kurbatskiy Wrote:  

Majority of people would prefer a tattoo anywhere else on their body, but most of the usually draw a line when it comes to putting a tattoo on the face. Ideally, the face is the first thing anyone would look at in a person and it is not usually not that comfortable to stare at someone with a deadly tattoo embedded on the face. But the fact that there are a lot of people put there with shitty face tattoos doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get a pretty tattoo on your face.

(09-30-2015 11:12 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

People that have tattoos (especially on the face) strike me as attention seekers. Call me biased, but a woman that screws up her face like that is an attention whore. No need to entertain her, they made the right choice.

If you would have read the thread title, the article linked, or the answers of posters before you, you would have noticed that the woman in question is a Maori. Nothing wrong with honoring the culture, history and identity of your people: Tā moko

On the other hand, this is also true for the Japanese, which produced this unfortunate situation. As a guest in their country, you have to accept their rules. The same, although highly unlikely given their nature, goes for a Japanese person complaining about tattooed people in a New Zealand spa.

All in all a curious coincidence of two cultures with a very different view regarding tattoos meeting, nothing else. No harm was done, all the people involved learned something, now everybody should move on with their life.

[Ambicatus]

(09-30-2015 11:40 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 08:35 AM)kurbatskiy Wrote:  

Majority of people would prefer a tattoo anywhere else on their body, but most of the usually draw a line when it comes to putting a tattoo on the face. Ideally, the face is the first thing anyone would look at in a person and it is not usually not that comfortable to stare at someone with a deadly tattoo embedded on the face. But the fact that there are a lot of people put there with shitty face tattoos doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get a pretty tattoo on your face.

(09-30-2015 11:12 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

People that have tattoos (especially on the face) strike me as attention seekers. Call me biased, but a woman that screws up her face like that is an attention whore. No need to entertain her, they made the right choice.

If you would have read the thread title, the article linked, or the answers of posters before you, you would have noticed that the woman in question is a Maori. Nothing wrong with honoring the culture, history and identity of your people: Tā moko

On the other hand, this is also true for the Japanese, which produced this unfortunate situation. As a guest in their country, you have to accept their rules. The same, although highly unlikely given their nature, goes for a Japanese person complaining about tattooed people in a New Zealand spa.

All in all a curious coincidence of two cultures with a very different view regarding tattoos meeting, nothing else. No harm was done, all the people involved learned something, now everybody should move on with their life.

Firstly there are plenty of bars in New Zealand that wouldn't let you in with a face tattoo, Maori or not. Obviously they're not stupid enough to admit that outright, but that is the essence of face control right there.

Secondly, although it's still pretty rare here you definitely see the odd moko on a woman. I've noticed that a lot of them seem to be leftists working in public sector jobs too. Having a tattoo is a visible marker of cultural identity. These types of women are fine with a moko because they can get attention with it, but when it comes to other aspects of Maori culture like showing deference to men then they're all about modern US/European culture.

Lastly, if the people doing these "traditional" tattoos did them the traditional way - with a sharpened piece of whale bone - then you can bet that you'd see a whole lot less of this.