[nek]

Does anyone react more to perceived slights since coming to understand this stuff? Maybe react isn't the right word, as I don't show it outwardly, but do they 'bother' you more? I don't see them simply as little things, but I look at them through the lense of the red pill. Like if some guy is trying to joke at me and says "just kidding man", I don't see it as him "just kidding", I see it as him a.) trying to establish some sort of superiority and b.) him trying to make it socially acceptable by saying "just kidding". Keep in my I don't react to this in a obviously bothered way. In fact, I play along and laugh about it very well. It's not what he said that bothers me in as much as what lies beneath what he said. Just curious to see if anyone else is getting more and more like this. I think it's making me a bit more anti-social.

[BecomingMachine]

If he feels the need to apologize ("just kidding" is apologetic), then your social dominance is clear. Or rather, it could be, if that's how you thought of it and capitalized on it- I like to call people out on apologetic behavior.

I freak out too. Pats on the back kill me. It's the most condescending fucking behavior on earth and I know exactly what he's trying to do. I've not been in a lot of great club fights, but that is a surefire way to turn my black-outs regrettable.

[WestIndianArchie]

As you digest the red pill, you'll start to see all the games that people play.

Communication that doesn't communicate.
Telling omissions.
Slights, tiffs, spats....
Word choice
Tone
Mood
Pacing
et cetera

And it will be all over.
Office memos and directives.
Advertising
Movies
Relationships with your friends and family

You're going to get to the point where if you start to act on what you see, you're going to disrupt the social fabric that you live in.

Suddenly your mom can't manipulate you anymore.
Suddenly when your boss says we, she actually just means you, and you're going to correct her.
Your homeboys want to go to that same wack ass bar with the cheap beer, and they drive instead of you....

There's going to be 3 temptations, 3 choices...

1) stay quiet and only use your red pill knowledge with new chicks and new people (most common)

2) play the game - push back when you can, 48 laws of power type stuff (2nd most common)

3) flip the chess board over and scatter the pieces (road less traveled)

What sounds appealing?

WIA

[The Beast1]

Good thread, i was thinking about this the other day.

My one pet peeve are men who try and flip the handshake palm down. I had one guy try and do a blatant one once where his hand was almost completely flat. I went in casually, grabbed his hand, and moved it back into the 50/50 even split. The look on his face was priceless.

[JoyStick]

(08-25-2013 08:15 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

My one pet peeve are men who try and flip the handshake palm down. I had one guy try and do a blatant one once where his hand was almost completely flat.

i didn't realize that this is disrespectful.

[JoyStick]

after taking the red pill i noticed that the less game a dude has the more likely he is to cockblock.

[Veloce]

Absolutely. Even pre-red pill I was always really interested in studying verbal and body language. It's interesting how much of modern conversation is just filler noise, half-truths, and downright lies.

One of my favorites are what I call "But" phrases. For instance,

"I hate to tell you this, BUT..." Oh really? Do you really HATE to tell me what you're about to tell me? Bullshit, it's never the case. It's a ridiculous figure of speech that pussyfoots around having to communicate directly.

"I totally see where you're coming from, BUT..." Again, another device to make the listener feel that the speaker is on their side, when no such reassurance is even necessary.

The problem in phrases like these is not the use of "but", it's the use of the preceding phrase. Why the need for constant reassurance when communicating? I'd guess it's the prevalence of politically-correct speech, i.e. pure fucking wimpiness.

I will say that post red-pill I see women get away with way too much in their interactions with guys. Punching, shit-talking, absolutely crass behavior, and when you give it back they're SHOCKED that they would ever be treated that way. I've noticed this is particularly bad with Australian women. I'd like to say that it slides ride off my back, but deep down it really does irk me. Makes me want to choke a bitch out.

[Samseau]

(08-24-2013 10:00 PM)nek Wrote:  

Does anyone react more to perceived slights since coming to understand this stuff? Maybe react isn't the right word, as I don't show it outwardly, but do they 'bother' you more? I don't see them simply as little things, but I look at them through the lense of the red pill. Like if some guy is trying to joke at me and says "just kidding man", I don't see it as him "just kidding", I see it as him a.) trying to establish some sort of superiority and b.) him trying to make it socially acceptable by saying "just kidding". Keep in my I don't react to this in a obviously bothered way. In fact, I play along and laugh about it very well. It's not what he said that bothers me in as much as what lies beneath what he said. Just curious to see if anyone else is getting more and more like this. I think it's making me a bit more anti-social.

This isn't actually a red-pill problem per se, it's a problem of Game itself. Many PUA's in the 2000's would complain of the exact same problem you describe, where they would always evaluate social interactions in terms of dominance and frame control.

Neil Strauss coined the term, "Social Robots" to describe the phenomenon. You can still google this term to learn more.

Understanding the red-pill actually changed all that for me. In the first year or so after I got into the Game, I did have some social robot tendencies, and, as you mention, they are very anti-social.

Being red-pill is not being anti-social. In fact, quite the opposite. Once you fully appreciate and understand human nature, you shouldn't get angry or bitter towards anyone who tries to exert their control over you. After all, they are acting on very ancient impulses which guide their behavior. You should expect humans to behave like humans, especially in group settings.

When people try to pull the control trick on me, it doesn't work. I'm far too intelligent to play along with the game. Rather than confront those who try to act cool or slight me, I usually counter their behavior with tactics that cannot be undone.

For example, some guy on the street insults me in a mean spirited way. I stop talking to him and walk away.

Some guy that's part of my friend's social circle insults me and tells me, "Just kidding." I return with an even meaner insult, smile, and ask him, "Am I kidding?"

At a bar or club, some guy spits bad game. I point and laugh at him while the girl can see it but not the guy.

Some guy wraps his arm around my shoulders to establish dominance. I put my arm behind his back, and rest my hand on his ass to pretend I'm gay.

Some guy tells me Game is bullshit. I tell him to "enjoy masturbating."

Some guy starts to cockblock with a blatantly obvious interruption while I'm talking to a girl I want to bang. I tell him, "Dude, cockblocking is not cool," and make sure it's loud enough for the girl to hear it. I then take the girl somewhere else and resume gaming, probably by talking about how most men are pathetic and can't even show basic decency to their fellow man.

Some guy gives me a warm compliment. I look him right in the eyes, smile, and tell him, "Thank you."

Some guy offers me bad advice. I ask him how he knows what he knows.

Understanding the Game does not mean you need to live by its rules. The red-pill way is to break the rules, be individualistic, and stop caring about the opinions others have of other people, especially opinions others have of you. Tear down the third wall of social interactions and act for yourself. Believing and acting this way earns me respect from nearly everyone I meet.

[The Beast1]

(08-25-2013 11:18 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 08:15 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

My one pet peeve are men who try and flip the handshake palm down. I had one guy try and do a blatant one once where his hand was almost completely flat.

i didn't realize that this is disrespectful.

It's not really disrespect, more of a show of dominance. I'll give these guys a freebie because they're most likely just acting naturally dominant.

I always do the palm up when hand shaking people, it's a welcoming gesture and i don't really feel the need to dominate others around me.

Now, when someone presents a palm down handshake i register it as someone who is looking down on me for one reason or another. That's the antithesis of who i'm trying to be especially with fellow dudes. I don't see the need to try and one up another guy since we're all in this race together. Typically AMOGing and cockblocking.

However, i'll never turn down a good show of dominance. I'll force the handshake back to a 50/50. It takes balls to do it and the show of respect is immediate.

But to me it means i haven't attained a level of wealth, muscle, or demeanor to register to them that i am the best in the room. Gotta keep working on myself.

[ryanf]

(08-25-2013 08:15 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Good thread, i was thinking about this the other day.

My one pet peeve are men who try and flip the handshake palm down. I had one guy try and do a blatant one once where his hand was almost completely flat. I went in casually, grabbed his hand, and moved it back into the 50/50 even split. The look on his face was priceless.

I've done this 3x since I learned what it meant.

[Ensam]

The handshake thing is kind of funny. I know a lot of super dominant guys who offer the palm up as if to say, "I'm so much in control of the situation I'll let you have this little gesture".

[iknowexactly]

Some chick working for me as a production assistant in exchange for training and food said to me when I was buying her dinner "Men think with their dicks".

I could have agreed and amplified, but I didn't want to . I said I was shocked at how hateful she was, and responded "All women are whores."

She didn't like that too much, but sometimes I just feel like telling an ignorant bitch to shut up.

[Samseau]

(08-25-2013 10:06 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Some chick working for me as a production assistant in exchange for training and food said to me when I was buying her dinner "Men think with their dicks".

I could have agreed and amplified, but I didn't want to . I said I was shocked at how hateful she was, and responded "All women are whores."

She didn't like that too much, but sometimes I just feel like telling an ignorant bitch to shut up.

You should have replied,

Her: "Men think with their dicks."
You: "Only for the cute ones."

[Cyr]

I understood a lot of 'red pill' ideas before I'd even encountered them formally. For example as WIA said "Communication that doesn't communicate", used to really annoy me. Or guys teasing you in front of girls, to try to establish dominance. However, once you understand about game and the broader idea of human interactions, it becomes much easier to deal with. Instead of merely recognising it and being annoyed, you have the tools to react in kind. Just think about the way that now, you're easily able to put them off balance, because you understand the trick they're trying to pull and can do it back, etc.
I think that I was more anti-social before the red pill because I used to recognise these stupid things, or girls over the top drama and always picking guys who aren't nice, and would get annoyed. Now, I accept that this is just the way that people are and I should just try to take advantage of it.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Quote:

At a bar or club, some guy spits bad game. I point and laugh at him while the girl can see it but not the guy.

Why? Everyone has to learn.

[The Beast1]

(08-26-2013 10:23 AM)Cyr Wrote:  

I understood a lot of 'red pill' ideas before I'd even encountered them formally. For example as WIA said "Communication that doesn't communicate", used to really annoy me. Or guys teasing you in front of girls, to try to establish dominance. However, once you understand about game and the broader idea of human interactions, it becomes much easier to deal with. Instead of merely recognising it and being annoyed, you have the tools to react in kind. Just think about the way that now, you're easily able to put them off balance, because you understand the trick they're trying to pull and can do it back, etc.
I think that I was more anti-social before the red pill because I used to recognise these stupid things, or girls over the top drama and always picking guys who aren't nice, and would get annoyed. Now, I accept that this is just the way that people are and I should just try to take advantage of it.

Yeah that was my problem as well. I always keep a few "nuclear" negs in store for guys that try and AMOG.

Dude: "Blah blah blah" (tends to be very loud)
Me: Ha, funny. You know what they say, loud voice (gesture with fingers) small penis.

Just keep your cool and laugh then deliver the scud missile.

[Samseau]

(08-26-2013 10:39 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Quote:

At a bar or club, some guy spits bad game. I point and laugh at him while the girl can see it but not the guy.

Why? Everyone has to learn.

Yes, but once the bad game has been spit, he's already lost the girl. At that point there is nothing that can be done for him. That's why I don't laugh in his face, as I don't want to discourage him, yet at the same time I laugh letting the girl know that I'm cool and not all guys spit bad game. It's in man's collective interests for women to know that not all guys are creepy or weird, otherwise they become less amenable to approaches in the future.

Also, most guys who spit bad game REFUSE to learn, in which case I have no pity. Some guys actually ask for my number when they see me gaming at the bars, and yet predictably they never call.

[MikeCF]

(08-26-2013 10:39 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Quote:

At a bar or club, some guy spits bad game. I point and laugh at him while the girl can see it but not the guy.

Why? Everyone has to learn.

Because unless he is a wing man, then he is an opponent.

Banging chicks is a zero sum game. If another guy gets the girl, that's one less girl for me.

I have sat back and watched while men spit bad game. I'll make eye contact with the girl, raise an eyebrow, laugh, wait for him to get blown out and then open with something like, "That was painful to watch."

I'd never do that to a friend of mine but like I said: In the game if he's not your boy then he's your opponent.

[Ensam]

(08-26-2013 05:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Because unless he is a wing man, then he is an opponent.

Truth. I've gone so far as to knowingly set guys up.

If a dude is checking out girls I'm into and I get the sense he has little to no game I'll ask him his name then introduce him to the girls. Sit back and watch him flame out then go up to the girls and go, "So you weren't feeling it with Guillermo?" and go from there. This is a very smooth way of preempt someone with shitty social skills from interrupting your conversation with the girl later.

[Sonsowey]

One thing about the thinking of a lot of people here is they assume they know people's motivations for their behaviors, they assume that everything is a power-play, and act as such.

People I believe are largely unconscious, ie they don't do what they do for conscious reasons. People who actually think about what they do, think about the consequences, think about how to best communicate their ideas, are very rare indeed.