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NYC Logisitcs - Living/Staying Here
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Quote: (08-24-2013 03:17 AM)glarkcable Wrote:  

I lived in New York City my whole life up until a few years ago when I left for work. Paid a visit recently and would personally vouch for Puckman on everything he said. If you care at all about your logistics take heed. Tourist traps like Times Square can be game worthy, but the high concentration of HBs will be found ONLY in the places he mentioned.

People tend to over romanticize it with all the TV and movies they watch, but New York City is just like any other big city in America- unemployed, crazy, and overridden with wave after wave of fatties.

That's a bit of an extreme stance. NYC is pretty fit and contains cute girls in many places outside of lower Manhattan.

NYC is impossibly difficult to live in without a job. Sure some people come to make it big sight nothing, but they don't last long without the cash. Even renting an apartment without a guarantor and three months rent paid upfront is difficult here.

I've taken strolls in NYC and compared it to other big American cities in the past couple of years, and well, there is no comparison.
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#27

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On Monday, my roommate and I just closed on an apartment near Washington Square Park on Thompson Street. We move in on October 1st, and we concurred with the OP’s three best recommendations for housing in NYC. Southern Manhattan is great from a logistical standpoint. Last summer, I did an internship and I lived in an NYU dorm near the park. It was very easy meeting other NYU girls. I very much look forward to day gaming around this area.

I will post a thread about daytime approaches and I will make sure to do 100 approaches. Right now, I am working out four days a week at my gym in order to improve my physique and confidence. I am very excited for this new chapter of life!
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If possible get down to that neighborhood a couple weeks before you move in. Start thinking of date moves and how they relate to your apartment location. Find the closest hook up bar to your spot. Get some day game in while doing it.

I say this because you're in the heart of nyu. Also September is the best month in the city along with May. Perfect weather, people coming back from their summer away. A ton of 9/1 move-ins. Events going on every weekend. Bars are full on both Saturday and Sunday with girls watching football. Bars are full at night with girls exploring the nightlife. Basically there are a million chicks swarming Manhattan in September looking to 'start fresh'. Good leg work now can lead to great rewards when you move in.

I actually decided to grab an NYC apartment for at least the month of September with a fellow RVF member. We'll see how it goes...
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#29

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Quote: (08-24-2013 10:25 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

Quote: (08-24-2013 03:17 AM)glarkcable Wrote:  

I lived in New York City my whole life up until a few years ago when I left for work. Paid a visit recently and would personally vouch for Puckman on everything he said. If you care at all about your logistics take heed. Tourist traps like Times Square can be game worthy, but the high concentration of HBs will be found ONLY in the places he mentioned.

People tend to over romanticize it with all the TV and movies they watch, but New York City is just like any other big city in America- unemployed, crazy, and overridden with wave after wave of fatties.

That's a bit of an extreme stance. NYC is pretty fit and contains cute girls in many places outside of lower Manhattan.

NYC is impossibly difficult to live in without a job. Sure some people come to make it big sight nothing, but they don't last long without the cash. Even renting an apartment without a guarantor and three months rent paid upfront is difficult here.

I've taken strolls in NYC and compared it to other big American cities in the past couple of years, and well, there is no comparison.

I'll just say that the areas Puckman mentioned are disproportionately concentrated with HBs. But you do make a good point- it's a huge city with a lot going on in so many areas. Not everyone can afford Manhattan.

On that note, perhaps I agree with you moreso than on my original opinion in that, I'd tell anyone that can't pony up in NYC to not even bother trying. This world is way too big. Don't do it for the mere name of New York as your residence. That's the mistake I made for far too long.

-formerly glarkcable.
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#30

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Great datasheet puckman. +1 from me.

I do have a couple of questions maybe you or other members (glarkcable..) can help me with:

1. What are your thoughts on the Fashion District area living-wise? I'm thinking of spending Sept and Oct there. Know of any good rental brokers for this area?
2. Any tips on gaming Fashion Week? Like getting around paying for the runway shows, getting into parties/afterparties, etc.
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#31

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Quote: (08-28-2013 10:56 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

If possible get down to that neighborhood a couple weeks before you move in. Start thinking of date moves and how they relate to your apartment location. Find the closest hook up bar to your spot. Get some day game in while doing it.

I say this because you're in the heart of nyu. Also September is the best month in the city along with May. Perfect weather, people coming back from their summer away. A ton of 9/1 move-ins. Events going on every weekend. Bars are full on both Saturday and Sunday with girls watching football. Bars are full at night with girls exploring the nightlife. Basically there are a million chicks swarming Manhattan in September looking to 'start fresh'. Good leg work now can lead to great rewards when you move in.

I actually decided to grab an NYC apartment for at least the month of September with a fellow RVF member. We'll see how it goes...

Great advice! I had not thought about pinpointing my date venues and hook up venues. I will come back to NYC during the week of 9/9 to figure out these spots. Also, I will research the best sports bars in NYC to watch Sunday football and I will come up for the day on 9/15. I read Day Bang last summer and I am re-reading it now. That book has a great framework for men to follow during the day. It does really help to ask a woman for her assistance with something.

Currently, I have done numerous indirect openers but I look forward to trying out some direct openers when I see a cute girl on the street.
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Quote: (08-21-2013 12:50 PM)puckman Wrote:  

Quote: (08-21-2013 12:14 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Puckman what's your take on Chelsea for a Thu-Sat trip, Any specific recommendations for the area ?

I like Chelsea a lot, but it is the most gay neighborhood in the city it literally has less women there. Plus it has an older population. Its a great place to stay, and its near the meatpacking dist, but for gaming I would choose elsewhere.

Number one favorite thing about Chelsea? Chelsea Piers. The gym there is by far the best facility in NYC. Note I said facility, again, very low on my list for women. The driving range, ice rink, skatepark, carousel, lawn, its a pretty spectacular place. For food, I like Cook Shop, for brunch or dinner. The Desmond Tutu Center hotel is one of the best deals in the city. I worked in Chelsea for five years so I know it well.

What exactly does older mean - mid-late 30s...or older than that?
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#33

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Quote: (09-01-2013 04:37 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

Quote: (08-21-2013 12:50 PM)puckman Wrote:  

Quote: (08-21-2013 12:14 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Puckman what's your take on Chelsea for a Thu-Sat trip, Any specific recommendations for the area ?

I like Chelsea a lot, but it is the most gay neighborhood in the city it literally has less women there. Plus it has an older population. Its a great place to stay, and its near the meatpacking dist, but for gaming I would choose elsewhere.

Number one favorite thing about Chelsea? Chelsea Piers. The gym there is by far the best facility in NYC. Note I said facility, again, very low on my list for women. The driving range, ice rink, skatepark, carousel, lawn, its a pretty spectacular place. For food, I like Cook Shop, for brunch or dinner. The Desmond Tutu Center hotel is one of the best deals in the city. I worked in Chelsea for five years so I know it well.

What exactly does older mean - mid-late 30s...or older than that?

Chelsea is closer to a traditional Manhattan neighborhood, middle class families and old people. There are some pricey spots, but its a lot of normal new yorkers. Since Google came in and bought the biggest office building in the hood for $1B, its starting to get younger, and pricing folks out.
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Quote: (08-31-2013 04:25 PM)Sultan of Swank Wrote:  

Great datasheet puckman. +1 from me.

I do have a couple of questions maybe you or other members (glarkcable..) can help me with:

1. What are your thoughts on the Fashion District area living-wise? I'm thinking of spending Sept and Oct there. Know of any good rental brokers for this area?
2. Any tips on gaming Fashion Week? Like getting around paying for the runway shows, getting into parties/afterparties, etc.

Fashion District living.. not my kind of hood, probably wouldn't but there are some cheaper hotels there. PM for my broker. The site Onefinestay.com is pretty good, since airbnb has been outlawed.

Fashion Week - hmm, nice hotel room and blow? In all seriousness. Have to figure status plays big for this event with the type of people attending. There are a lot more hot girls here, so I would probably stay closer to the meatpacking dist.(i.e. clubs) for easier logistics.
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Anybody currently living in brooklyn care to weigh in? I've only lived in upper manhattan, but am really trying to get somewhere else by Oct. 1st and I've heard good things about the scene in williamsburg. I'm planning on checking out some places this week.

Alternately, any RVF members looking for a roommate? My budget is in the 1k-1300 range
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#36

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Chinatown....Chinatown every time
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#37

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Williamsburg is becoming Manhattan expensive, not worth the value IMO. It's all young hipster families these days. When I go for drinks there, I notice people visit W'burg from all over the city. It lacks that 'local' feel it had even a few years ago because of the ever increasing rent. It's not a tourist or day trip destination. If going to Brooklyn, you can head over to Greenpoint. Tons of fresh Polish girls, mostly walking distance from Williamsburg, and about $3-400/month cheaper.
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Quote: (09-25-2013 04:37 PM)Seamus Wrote:  

Anybody currently living in brooklyn care to weigh in? I've only lived in upper manhattan, but am really trying to get somewhere else by Oct. 1st and I've heard good things about the scene in williamsburg. I'm planning on checking out some places this week.

Alternately, any RVF members looking for a roommate? My budget is in the 1k-1300 range

Ill try to breakdown Brooklyn as much as I can. Brooklyn its actually a very interesting borough, It would be the 4th largest city in the US if it wouldn't have merged with Manhattan in the 1800's. Also, Don't put too much stock in the lower prices you see on craiglist. Most of them are bait and switch from realtors or straight up scams. I have rented apartments in my Brownstone on craiglist, my phone would just not stop ringing and my mailbox was full. My apartments weren't below market value, I can only imagined if I posted an apartment with a price too good to be true.

You are going to be paying almost Manhattan prices in old Money tier 1 Brooklyn neighborhoods like Carrol Gardens, Brooklyn heights, Vinegar Hill, Park Slope, Coble Hill and just about any neighborhood from the East River to Prospect Park if you are using Flatbush Ave as the border. The only advantage of living there over Manhattan is that parking is just a tad easier because there aren't as many "No Standing zones" and garages are more affordable. Also, You are actually closer to lower Manhattan from those parts of Brooklyn than you are from any neighborhood in Manhattan above 42nd St and apartments are a tad larger.

The 2nd tier would be the old White middle class enclaves like
Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst, Fort Hamilton and Sheepshead Bay. They are relatively safe and have decent local amenities. The big and this is a big problem with a lot of those neighborhoods is that affordable spots are on a two fare zone system which means you have to take a bus to the local train station. If you work in lower Manhattan you have another 30 to 40 min subway ride in a standing room only subway car. Driving to Manhattan during the rush hour is not even an option because its going to take you more than an hour just to reach any of the East River Bridges.

If you are willing to live on an illegal basement(If the listing says electrical is included chances are it is a basement apartment) you can probably find a 1 bedroom for less 1k all utilities included. If you are non-White just keep in mind that those neighborhoods did not remained virtually all White by accident.

The 3rd tier would be traditional Black Central Brooklyn Neighborhoods. From West to East; Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, Prospect Heights, Bed-sty, Crown Heights, East New York and Brownsville. Fort Greene and Clinton Hill have been gentrified for about a generation now and the rental prices reflect that. Fun fact: Fort Greene was the 2nd neighborhood in NYC which allowed Blacks to own houses after Harlem.

Crown Heights and Bed Sty are being gentrified now and do have an acute crime problem depending on what Block you live in. A good rule of thumb to be able to tell how safe a Black area in Brooklyn is what I call is "The White Girl jogging" index. If you walking around in Brooklyn and you see more than 2 White girls jogging in Spadex in a 30 minute span the area is safe regardless of how many dudes with dreads and skinny jeans you see walking around.


The closer you are to the subway stop the more expensive the apartment. However, you should be able to find a 1 bedroom within the upper limit of your budget somewhere east of Utica Ave stop which is a 20 min subway ride to lower Manhattan. The amenities are getting better but not as good as those from White side of town. Crown Heights is very long and narrow from west to east so a subway stop shouldn't be more than 10 min walk away. Bed Sty is huge, Subway service is decent on the border with Bushwick and Crown Heights on the other side of the neighborhood. The middle of Bed Sty is where almost all the projects are and is also the area that is least served by subway service.

Brownsville, I am not going to mince words, Brownsville is a shit hole. It is a shit hole now and it was a shit hole when it was working class Jewish and Italian neighborhood and Blacks couldn't live there. If you heard of the Murder Inc(Not the Ja rule label, the real Murder Inc) all those hit men where from Brownsville. You would not be able to find an apartment here unless you sublet an apartment in one of the projects. There's very little privately owned apartments in Brownsville almost all the housing stock is made up of projects apartments. You can have any cuisine you want in Brownsville as long as it is Chinese take out. Surprisingly it has decent subway service by the L train and the 3 train.

East New York, the largest neighborhood in NYC. It also has the 2nd largest train station in Brooklyn. It connects the A/C, J/Z, L and Long Island Rail Road commuter line. Its actually several distinct neighborhoods who lie east of Eastern Parkway to the Queens border. It has a very bad rap on par with Brownsville but it has some decent areas. All the problems in East New York are along side the border with Brownsville and where is dense with projects along Linden Blvd.

Anything along the border with Queens is free of non sense for the most part. There's a Dominican and Puerto Rican enclaves north of Atlantic Ave called Cypress Hill. That's where the Hispanics who were priced out of Lower East Side, Williamsburg and now Bushwick have moved to. There's a nice size park with all the fixings(ponds, paths, soccer and baseball fields shit that hipsters go gaga over) in the neighborhood. The shitty part of the area is that its served by the J/Z line which I consider along with the G line as the worse lines in the NYC.

Any RFVers with extra cash should try to buy a 3 to 4 family in this area pronto. After Hispters get priced out of Bed Sty/Crown Heights in 5 years, they are coming after Cypress Hills because of the park and easy subway access.

Williamsburg and Bushwick, They are technically the same neighborhood. The housing stock is almost identical and it doesn't have the visual aesthics that the Brownstone Brooklyn has. Also, realtors have done a very good job at muddling the border between the two nabes'. Ask 5 people from the area what's the border between Williamsburg and Bushwick and you'll get 5 different answers. I agree with Maledefine below, Williamsburg has really become Manhattan lite, You'll pay the same as living in more established Brooklyn Neighborhoods but you'll get none of their pluses.

I lived on Bushwick aka East Williamsburg, is true what you read online, tons and tons of Dominican and Puerto Rican mamis walking up and down Knickabocker ave in the summer but you going to have to pay a price for all that. The price is dealing with the unreliable M train and Dominican/Puerto Rican Machismo. Don't get caught eye balling a Dominican chick and her man is with her, trust me on this. Bushwick is relatively compact so there is always a train station within a 10 minutes walk. Prices get cheaper the farther you are from Myrtle Ave rents get really cheap as you get closer to the tri border between East New York, Brownsville and Bed Sty.

A word about realtors, if you can afford them(10% year rent or one month rent), its worth it. A realtor can show you up a shit load of apartments a day and they will do the driving. If you deal with craiglist landlords what you save in money, you'll waste in time. They are worse than Colombian chicks in term of flakiness.

This is getting a little too long so I am going to stop right here. Any questions, just ask.
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#39

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awesome post playa, great breakdown.

In the end though I ended up just biting the bullet and going in on a small 2 bedroom in lower manhattan, close to washington square park. It's only $1350 a person, plus one month broker's fee, and the location can't be beat. Going to try and live it up this year!
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#40

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What are good areas and neighborhoods for Latinas?
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#41

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playa - great real estate tips. I have held off from investing. Saw a buddy a few years ago all excited about his multi-family he was buying in Long Beach. Suffice it to say he is now under water.
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You know where to go out to meet scandinavians or russians? What are the tourists bar?
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#43

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Bump.

Anyone have any suggestions on an area to live with a high percentage of FOB Asian girls? I want to be within 45min of JFK by rail and have a rent budget of 1500-1800.

“There is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate of global citizenship. We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag!” -DJT
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#44

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Flushing in many ways is more Asian than most large Asian cities.
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#45

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I agree with MaleDefined. Flushing fits all those qualifications the best out of anywhere else. There really isn't any nightlife but it's a prime daygame spot, especially on the weekends.

Manhattan is 30-35 minutes on the 7 train, but that's excluding express trains; or construction that would prevent it from getting to the island.
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