[Tail Gunner]

(09-03-2013 09:57 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Fuck the M-16. Malfunctions and high-maintenance costs led to the deaths of many US servicemen in Vietnam. Armalite offered the far superior AR-15 to the military but was shot down due to the American tradition of buying strictly from the Springfield Armory.

A Vietcong corpse was uncovered buried with his AK-47 in Vietnam years after war's end,. The rifle was caked in mud and dirt but they fired off the remaining rounds in the magazine right away with no jams. Sneeze on/near your M-16 and 50/50 chance it'll jam.


Source: http://www.amazon.com/AK-47-Weapon-that-...0470168803

What you say regarding reliability issues is mostly true, at least back in the day, but Colt produced the M-16 not the Springfield Armory. I have never heard that.

[Checkmat]

(09-03-2013 10:07 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 09:57 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Fuck the M-16. Malfunctions and high-maintenance costs led to the deaths of many US servicemen in Vietnam. Armalite offered the far superior AR-15 to the military but was shot down due to the American tradition of buying strictly from the Springfield Armory.

A Vietcong corpse was uncovered buried with his AK-47 in Vietnam years after war's end,. The rifle was caked in mud and dirt but they fired off the remaining rounds in the magazine right away with no jams. Sneeze on/near your M-16 and 50/50 chance it'll jam.


Source: http://www.amazon.com/AK-47-Weapon-that-...0470168803

What you say regarding reliability issues is mostly true, at least back in the day, but Colt produced the M-16 not the Springfield Armory. I have never heard that.

I must be remembering wrong. It's been a while since I read that book. Maybe it was the M-14 I am thinking of.

[Tail Gunner]

(09-03-2013 10:47 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 10:07 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 09:57 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Fuck the M-16. Malfunctions and high-maintenance costs led to the deaths of many US servicemen in Vietnam. Armalite offered the far superior AR-15 to the military but was shot down due to the American tradition of buying strictly from the Springfield Armory.

A Vietcong corpse was uncovered buried with his AK-47 in Vietnam years after war's end,. The rifle was caked in mud and dirt but they fired off the remaining rounds in the magazine right away with no jams. Sneeze on/near your M-16 and 50/50 chance it'll jam.


Source: http://www.amazon.com/AK-47-Weapon-that-...0470168803

What you say regarding reliability issues is mostly true, at least back in the day, but Colt produced the M-16 not the Springfield Armory. I have never heard that.

I must be remembering wrong. It's been a while since I read that book. Maybe it was the M-14 I am thinking of.

Yes, the Springfield Armory produced the M-14. There is a great story about the M-14 in "Blackhawk Down," which I read before they released the movie. The Delta Force guys can choose their own weapons. The young guys (from all units, Delta, Rangers, etc.) made fun of an older Delta dude for humping along with his M-14.

But he later earned great respect when he shot the enemy -- and they went down and stayed down. But skinny Somali guys shot with the M-16 would run down side streets, pop up later, and continue to fight. I can tell you that deer stay down with the .308. On the other hand, many states make it illegal to hunt deer with any .22 caliber ammo.

The .308 is vastly superior to the .223, but .308 ammo weighs 2.5 times as much. Hence, the compromise.

[Grizzly]

Yugoslavian M59 SKS. Uses 7.62x39, so the ammo is cheap as hell. Super-simple mechanism so you can take it apart and put it back together in a couple minutes. They tend to be in great shape because most of them just sat around in cosmoline since the 50s.

[swshrsweet]

Just bartered one of my jetskis for an sks rifle. Havent got to shoot it yet but i am pretty excited

[MikeCF]

The SKS was my "gateway" gun.

At the time, you could buy an SKS for $139 at a gun show.

They are fun to shoot and are reliable.

From there it was MAK-90s. (You couldn't buy AK-47s anymore; this was post-assualt weapons ban.)

There's nothing that says, "America: Fuck Yeah!" like putting a 50 round drum on an AK and blasting away.

[deuce]

I used to have a Glock 17 before switching to the 19. I attended a 3 day pistol class in SoCal last year and had to bring CA-legal 10 round mags rather than the standard capacity 17 round mags.

Everyone got real good at mag changes haha

[deuce]

SP5,

In addition to Daniel Defense, BCM makes good ARs as well.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com

[lskdfjldsf]

Mak-90, thumb grip, with a drum mag. Like having two dicks.

M1 Carbines are pretty fun too - small round, light, compact, and great for hunting small game.

[Checkmat]

(09-04-2013 04:09 AM)deuce Wrote:  

I used to have a Glock 17 before switching to the 19. I attended a 3 day pistol class in SoCal last year and had to bring CA-legal 10 round mags rather than the standard capacity 17 round mags.

Everyone got real good at mag changes haha

I have a 19; what are the major differences between the 17, 19, 22 etc? I picked it because I wanted something really simple for a non-gun expert like myself to be able to pick up, aim and shoot at a bad guy.

I took it to the range only once, with a girl on a date. Accidentally loaded the mag that was filled with hollow point ammo.

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

[Aliblahba]

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

You need to take get some more training. Always shoot to kill. When I go to the range, it's headshots.

[Tail Gunner]

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 04:09 AM)deuce Wrote:  

I used to have a Glock 17 before switching to the 19. I attended a 3 day pistol class in SoCal last year and had to bring CA-legal 10 round mags rather than the standard capacity 17 round mags.

Everyone got real good at mag changes haha

I have a 19; what are the major differences between the 17, 19, 22 etc? I picked it because I wanted something really simple for a non-gun expert like myself to be able to pick up, aim and shoot at a bad guy.

I took it to the range only once, with a girl on a date. Accidentally loaded the mag that was filled with hollow point ammo.

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

WTF. Non-lethal? Even blanks are lethal at close range.

Quote:

Hexum was apparently unaware that his actions were dangerous. Blanks use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge, and this wadding is propelled from the barrel of the gun with enough force to cause injury if the weapon is fired within a few metres of the body should it strike at a particularly vulnerable spot, such as the temple or the eye. At point blank range, the effect of the powder gasses is similar to a small explosion so although the paper wadding in the blank that Hexum discharged did not penetrate his skull, there was enough blunt force trauma to shatter a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel the pieces into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

Just be sure that whatever ammunition you use, you have tested your particular firearm thoroughly with that particular ammunition to make sure that it feeds properly.

[Remington]

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 04:09 AM)deuce Wrote:  

I used to have a Glock 17 before switching to the 19. I attended a 3 day pistol class in SoCal last year and had to bring CA-legal 10 round mags rather than the standard capacity 17 round mags.

Everyone got real good at mag changes haha

I have a 19; what are the major differences between the 17, 19, 22 etc? I picked it because I wanted something really simple for a non-gun expert like myself to be able to pick up, aim and shoot at a bad guy.

I took it to the range only once, with a girl on a date. Accidentally loaded the mag that was filled with hollow point ammo.

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

The differences between the 17 and the 19 is the overall size of the firearm. If you wanted a conceal carry license the 19 would be better since it is a little bit smaller than the 17. The 22 shoots larger caliber bullets (.40). That gun will have a bigger kick but I think is around the same size as the 17 (9mm).

[Remington]

Was thinking about investing in a 1911. Anyone have any thoughts?

[Aliblahba]

(09-04-2013 03:24 PM)Remington Wrote:  

Was thinking about investing in a 1911. Anyone have any thoughts?

What's your price range?

[Remington]

(09-04-2013 03:37 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 03:24 PM)Remington Wrote:  

Was thinking about investing in a 1911. Anyone have any thoughts?

What's your price range?

$1000 max.

[Checkmat]

(09-04-2013 09:19 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 04:09 AM)deuce Wrote:  

I used to have a Glock 17 before switching to the 19. I attended a 3 day pistol class in SoCal last year and had to bring CA-legal 10 round mags rather than the standard capacity 17 round mags.

Everyone got real good at mag changes haha

I have a 19; what are the major differences between the 17, 19, 22 etc? I picked it because I wanted something really simple for a non-gun expert like myself to be able to pick up, aim and shoot at a bad guy.

I took it to the range only once, with a girl on a date. Accidentally loaded the mag that was filled with hollow point ammo.

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

WTF. Non-lethal? Even blanks are lethal at close range.

Quote:

Hexum was apparently unaware that his actions were dangerous. Blanks use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge, and this wadding is propelled from the barrel of the gun with enough force to cause injury if the weapon is fired within a few metres of the body should it strike at a particularly vulnerable spot, such as the temple or the eye. At point blank range, the effect of the powder gasses is similar to a small explosion so although the paper wadding in the blank that Hexum discharged did not penetrate his skull, there was enough blunt force trauma to shatter a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel the pieces into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

That article makes it sound like under the most severe of conditions (at a particularly vulnerable spot, from point-blank range) a blank shot can be very dangerous. The same applies to BB guns.

In the case of accidental discharge, I would much prefer being hit anywhere in the body with a training round versus a hollow point. Firearm accidents happen so limiting the severity of damage with front-loaded less lethal ammo doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

[Aliblahba]

(09-04-2013 04:21 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 03:37 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 03:24 PM)Remington Wrote:  

Was thinking about investing in a 1911. Anyone have any thoughts?

What's your price range?

$1000 max.

Springfield Armory "Loaded" line. You can't go wrong. Avoid Colt, Kimber, S&W, Taurus.

[Tail Gunner]

(09-04-2013 03:24 PM)Remington Wrote:  

Was thinking about investing in a 1911. Anyone have any thoughts?

It depends on your purpose. It is a fine firearm, designed by none other than John Browning, the preeminent firearms inventor and designer of all time. Great for shooting.

For self-defense, however, you will need to dedicate yourself to far more practice versus the more idiot proof designs of today, because it is a single-action firearm.

[Tail Gunner]

(09-04-2013 04:33 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 09:19 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 04:09 AM)deuce Wrote:  

I used to have a Glock 17 before switching to the 19. I attended a 3 day pistol class in SoCal last year and had to bring CA-legal 10 round mags rather than the standard capacity 17 round mags.

Everyone got real good at mag changes haha

I have a 19; what are the major differences between the 17, 19, 22 etc? I picked it because I wanted something really simple for a non-gun expert like myself to be able to pick up, aim and shoot at a bad guy.

I took it to the range only once, with a girl on a date. Accidentally loaded the mag that was filled with hollow point ammo.

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

WTF. Non-lethal? Even blanks are lethal at close range.

Quote:

Hexum was apparently unaware that his actions were dangerous. Blanks use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge, and this wadding is propelled from the barrel of the gun with enough force to cause injury if the weapon is fired within a few metres of the body should it strike at a particularly vulnerable spot, such as the temple or the eye. At point blank range, the effect of the powder gasses is similar to a small explosion so although the paper wadding in the blank that Hexum discharged did not penetrate his skull, there was enough blunt force trauma to shatter a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel the pieces into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

That article makes it sound like under the most severe of conditions (at a particularly vulnerable spot, from point-blank range) a blank shot can be very dangerous. The same applies to BB guns.

In the case of accidental discharge, I would much prefer being hit anywhere in the body with a training round versus a hollow point. Firearm accidents happen so limiting the severity of damage with front-loaded less lethal ammo doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

You have to be an idiot to shoot yourself. The number one rule of firearms safety is to never point your weapon at yourself or anyone else. If you cannot follow that simple rule, you should not own a firearm. If you do follow the rule, then you do not need to worry about the ammo that you use.

[Checkmat]

(09-04-2013 07:52 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

You have to be an idiot to shoot yourself. The number one rule of firearms safety is to never point your weapon at yourself or anyone else. If you cannot follow that simple rule, you should not own a firearm. If you do follow the rule, then you do not need to worry about the ammo that you use.

Thanks for the advice.

[Remington]

(09-04-2013 04:54 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 04:21 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 03:37 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 03:24 PM)Remington Wrote:  

Was thinking about investing in a 1911. Anyone have any thoughts?

What's your price range?

$1000 max.

Springfield Armory "Loaded" line. You can't go wrong. Avoid Colt, Kimber, S&W, Taurus.

I'll definitely check out the Springfield website. Appreciate the advice!

What are the downsides to the manufacturers that you mentioned?

[deuce]

(09-04-2013 08:41 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Now at home I keep it for self-defense, but follow Adam Carolla's advice---The first 2 rounds of the magazine are non-lethal training rounds. Then the rest are hollow point. Basically his point was this way in the case of accidental discharge or even intentional discharge to an intruder, the first two rounds *shouldn't* be lethal.

Looks like Remington addressed your question about different Glock models.

If you need advice on starting a podcast or vintage cars, Carolla is an excellent source. However, his advice on firearms is fucking retarded, and I'm a huge fan of the Aceman.

If you need to fire your weapon, you're not gonna have time to fuck around racking the slide to get rid of the two training rounds that aren't going to do shit to save your life. As a civilian, if you choose draw your gun it's not to "scare" the intruder or fire warning shots or any of that shit. It's to stop the threat. Period. Training with that bullshit "strategy" in mind will get you killed. Why wouldn't you want an intentional discharge to an deadly threat to not be lethal? Jesus.

AliB is right, get some training from guys who have been in gunfights. PM me if you would like some info on places to find instructors, classes, etc.

[Grizzly]

(09-04-2013 01:03 AM)swshrsweet Wrote:  

Just bartered one of my jetskis for an sks rifle. Havent got to shoot it yet but i am pretty excited

Nice! What country is yours from?

[Don]