[Atlantic]

I rarely drop game data but there have been a few posts lately looking for University game tips so I thought Id start a rough guide.

When I went to University I started from zero. New city, no friends and no value. I relied on cold approach at house parties/bars for the first year and although I had some success it was inconsistent and pretty fustrating. Luckily I found a game mentor and read some good game material. By the time second year came around I had broke it down and formed a plan. By the end of second year I was cleaning up and killed it right up to graduation.

Univeristy is not actually an ideal place for practising your cold approach skills. You don't want to be risk spitting poor game or having to approach 20 girls everytime you go out just to get one lay. If you do you will quickly be known as 'that pickup guy'. There is a time and a place for running game but first comes building your social circle.

Social Circle Game:

Nowhere does social circle game work as well and as fast as University. Here social currency is king.

First you build your network. You want to become aware of what kind of people you are befriending and spending the most time with.

These are the concepts I learn to identify who was bringing value and helping build your social circle:

Social connector: The more of these people you get toknow the more people you will know by associatiation. They will expodentically help you build you social circle. They are not nessesary high vaue, they just happen to know a lot of people.

Value connector: Not nessesary super well connected but have high value. Someone you want to be on first name basis with. The president of a club, the captain of the sports team, the dj who plays at the Uni bar etc.

Gatekeepers: Most of the time these will be girls. Might be the foreign student who runs events for all the other foreign students. Could be the not-so-hot girl on the volleyball team but who gets along with all her team mates. Might be the class captain of nursing. You disqualify yourself hard (you are actually trying to get in the friendzone) 'you remind me of my best friend from my hometown/ you would be perfect for my friend Mark'. You are trying to become friends to gain access to a particular group (hot girls come in groups).

And who to avoid...

Social deadends- These could be the guys spitting below par game and getting rejected 10 times an hour. Or maybe its someone cool when its just the guys hanging out but who always try to cut you down when there are girls around. Maybe its the guy who gets blackout drunk every night and acts like an ass.
Its someone who undermines your value and doesnt add any value to your life. Avoid or if you already know them cut the friendship and move on. Better to have 2 friends you can rely on then 10 who run bad game and talk shit about you.


Putting it together:

Basically you want to befriend as many social connectors, value connectors and gatekeeps as possible. You only have some much free time and effort and this way you are getting maximum return for minimum effort. The aim is to build up some social value so girls come to you. Try and avoid chasing them as much as possible.

The aim is to build your 'brand'.

Thye idea comes from Malcom Gladwell book thin slicing (or rapid cognition).
Compare the thinslice of the same person but presented in two different ways: 1) you walk in to a party with some hot girls and a few cool guys plus you already now a few 'in' people already there or 2) you walk with two other guys, no girls and you know only one guy sitting by himself in the corner. The first guy has value off the bat and has a lot less effort to put in to build attraction with girls at the party. Plus the swoop home is a lot easier since people already know who you are.

If you build things right and put the effort into building a big social circle things will start to pay off big time after a few months.

In cold approach you have only have one shot so you are using your best game possible and going for the kill everytime. It takes a lot of effort and you only succeed if a lot of variables line up: your game that night/the venue/the competition/what girls are available to go home with you that very night.

Now if you have some social value built up and a good social circle that girls are a part of they will become aware of you over time and you can choose the right moment to strike. You are building buzz and slowly working the magic. Maybe there is a night there is a certain girl you are after but some friends arrive and she cant go home with you- thats alright, you sit back and rely on your social circle game by and wait for next time. You don't have to pull out a hail mary game move and go for the kill/fail. By getting on her radar before you even try run some game its not a cold approach anymore. She is already aware you are a cool, social, fun guy who is known around University and she is already 'warmed up' to you running game on her. You have the social lifestyle sorted and the right moment will come to strike.

Understand situational value- when you dont have it lay back and wait. Work on building high social value in certain areas then when the ball is in your court you strike then. Example- you might be having trouble gaming that new girl in Economics but when you invite her to that event you are running and she sees you have crazy situational value things heat up fast.

the overall idea is that you are not trying to run around University picking off random girls like a sniper, instead you have your team (group of like-minded cool guys who have your back) and you have your brand/social image. Instead of having to tell girls how fun and cool you are they get to see it first hand. What is more powerful and what will they go after? Then when they come knocking you bring in your game arsenal- teasing/push-pull/role pays whatever.

Next you start building scarcity to boost up your value even more. You don't just fuck the first girls that come chasing. You sit back and sell to the highest bidders. You use the hottest girls chasing you to build even more value by flirting with them in the middle of a crowded house party or having lunch with them in a busy part of University. Once you have hooked up with the hottest girls the rest fall like dominoes. Try keep your brand as strong as possible. Have people thinking you only hook up with the hottest girls and are a prized male to go after. You keep any average girls you do hook up with off the grid and out of sight.


It might seem like a lot of work but once you have it set up you can sit back and enjoy the results with minimal effort. If done right they will come chasing you.


Now at the same time you still work on yourself as a person, you hit the gym, work on your style and try to add value to the people you hang out with. You can't just rely on being well known and just skip actually working on yourself too. Use the 100s of pages of good info already on here to improve your workouts, style, diet, game etc.


So using myself as an example: I got involved with 6 different students clubs and regularly went to the events and on trips. I eventually started organizing the trips/events for two of them. I remember once being on a bus of about 40 girls and 10 guys talking on the speakers about what I had planned for them that weekend -surfing and drinking (some of the easiest hook ups in my life).

I also volunteered to be a foreign liaison officer for any new foreign students to my University so I got to know a bunch of girls and guys from all over the world. I would have international cooking nights at my flat and invite 10-20 people at a time. I ran movie nights too and would invite people from different groups so people are meeting people through you.

It all took a bit of time and effort but its a game changer and I was killing it by my final year.

University is too short to run around worrying about running perfect game all the time and only relying on SNLs. Build a social group, surround yourself with fun people who respect you and the girls will come to you.

If people find this helpful I will post some more on the subject.

[Deluge]

If you don't think you can fuck a girl you meet, friend zone her. Party girl close friends are worth their weight in gold in college. Just don't do what I did and ignore making a lot of male friends as well if you're just starting out as a freshmen, because having a crew of solid wings at your college is really fucking important.

[R Smoov]

This is 300% true.

It's best to just be on the chill and try to make a good team. You'll understand that later on in college it's the people who you've been close with that matters.

One of my friends who was a freshman and had better access to poon got the girls in his hall to make me a came for my birthday.

I always sit with the football players at the cafe since I'm friends with most of them.

You surround yourself around chill people and come to find out that they really help you out as well. If there was one piece of advice I'd give to anyone about college game is to just relax. Things will always get better in college as long as you chill the fuck out, stop telling everyone your plans and just work on upgrading you and who you are around.

[Spider]

Joining a cool fraternity can help make these different aspects of college game easier.

If greek life is weak or nonexistent then specifically heed this advice:

(08-11-2013 08:32 AM)Rosca Wrote:  

If there was one piece of advice I'd give to anyone about college game is to just relax. Things will always get better in college as long as you chill the fuck out, stop telling everyone your plans and just work on upgrading you and who you are around.

It's easy to make friends when you just relax and are friendly with everybody on your floor, in class, etc...people wanna go out with the guy whose chill and is fun to talk to.

[tylerdurden1993]

good post man might try some of your advice for my last year at university

[BasketBounce]

It'd be useful to discuss how one should go about befriending the hot girls at your school. Or rather, how to create rapport without getting in the friend zoned. Assuming you don't know any hot girls, you'd want to be introduced to her by someone of high social value, I'd say

Flirt in class -> study together -> invite to pre-game/party is my plan for this comin year. For those that aren't in my class, I'm honestly just going to rely on my fraternity.

I don't have much trouble with 7s or lower at my school. It's the 8-10 crowd that was a struggle for me last year, and I'd like to change that.

[Nascimento]

If you're only going to be at that university for a few years might as well take some risks.

Cold approach like crazy if you want.

By the time you have a rep you're most likely going to be graduating anyways.

I think it's better to take a huge risk than to not take one at all because of the social circle scenarios.

Having said that, I think its better to tone down aggressiveness of approaches in these scenarios.

At clubs, do caveman game if you want. As long as you calibrate it you can do well. But at house parties, strongly advise against.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Great post, esp. since the start of the college year is just around the corner.

To the guys on here who asked how to get started: I wrote a comment about that a few months ago I called "The first two weeks of each semester are the prime time for freshman girl pickups." My observations were based on experiences of mine and my friends, and maybe can serve as a guide for what to do and what to avoid:

Click here or go to this link:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8893-p...#pid446545

I also pasted my original copy below in case anyone feels they can add to it. Is it time for a "Bang College" book?

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THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF EACH SEMESTER ARE THE PRIME TIME FOR FRESHMAN GIRL PICKUPS.

The reason for this is that no social pecking order has been established. These girls are still in high school mindset and don't know who is cool and who isn't. They're also away from home for the first time. They may be hoping to experiment for the first time. Also, the culture of college is different than high school and many people get thrown by how the formerly cool kids aren't so cool anymore, etc. What was "hot" in high school often looks "quaint" in college. Use this confusion to your advantage. They're in a different world. For example, the preppie chicks might have snubbed the spaced-out jam band dude in tenth grade, but three years later, they find him "exotic." So if you're also a freshman, stop thinking you have the same social status you did in high school -- you can establish another, better one.

This is the time to step in and dominate. While everyone else is feeling nervous because it's a new school year, you need to push those feelings aside and be Alpha from the outset.

Most guys waste those first few weeks thinking "I'll scope things out, then move in on the hottie when I've settled in." Mistake! You need to strike immediately and talk to as many girls as possible. Establish yourself. Network. Even talk to fatties if they have hot friends. If you wait, the anything-goes-feeling of those crazy move-in dorm days closes up like a wound. Then you have to contrive lines to talk to girls. In those first two weeks "Is there another laundry room?" works as an opener. Remember:

Most girls have not yet closed ranks with a "BFF" (so talk to any girl -- no cockblocks!).
No cafeteria seating arrangements have been made (sit anywhere).
No Thursday night parties have been thrown (host the first).
You have no image yet to the freshman girls (establish a good one).
No one knows who is cool and who isn't (make a big first impression).
Girls might not know the campus (get a map, study ahead and show them).
Girls might be intimidated by the classes (be the guiding voice).
Girls might need to be entertained (bring a guitar or electronic toy).
If they have a sex ed session in the dorm GO TO IT! (it lets them know you're "active" and lets you know who is DTF).
If you meet a hottie away from her b/f for the first time and want to move in, mirror her story with your own "g/f left behind" story because this often cancels out her feeling of cheating (don't ask, it's the female mind).

You'll notice I left alcohol out of the above advice. It's because that gets us into the sticky "date rape" controversy that's talked about a lot in the manosophere. Read up on the whole consent/alcohol thing at your school because you don't want to get expelled or arrested. The short answer is: if you're both drunk, you're the one that's held accountable. Unfair, but that's life.

Special note: If any guy from high school is reading this, you can go one better by going to a sleepover freshmen orientation. It was girls gone wild that night at my college. Most of us slept around one hour and the "nice" girls were the ones that drank the most.

[scorpion]

The three best things you can do in college to improve your social life and fuck the most attractive girls:

1) Join the best fraternity you can

Every school's Greek scene will naturally divide itself into tiers, since like attracts like. The best guys will settle into a few fraternities over time, and the hottest girls will do likewise with sororities. If you want to maximize your access to the hottest girls, you need to be a member of a tier 1 fraternity. Depending on the size of the school this could be anywhere from one to three fraternities. The national reputation of the fraternity is largely irrelevant, all that matters is the reputation at your school. Getting in with one of the top fraternities gives you absolutely massive amounts of instant social proof with the best looking women on campus. It will also give you a huge social circle, access to parties and social events, and a crew of guys who will have your back now and often for years to come.

This is really the single most important thing you can do at most large schools. The top fraternities and the most popular sports teams (football/baseball/etc... depends on the school) will have an almost total monopoly on the 8s and 9s on campus. If you aren't an athlete in a high profile sport or a member of a top fraternity, you won't have the social capital to compete with guys that are. You will be an outsider, and not in a cool, mysterious way, but in a "this guy obviously is not cool, otherwise he'd be in" way. Fair or not, that's the perception the hottest girls on campus will have.

Honestly this point is so crucial that I think it's worth it to hold off on rushing a fraternity your freshman year if you don't get a bid to a top tier fraternity, so that you can try again your sophomore year after undertaking an additional year of self-improvement to make yourself a higher value man (i.e. lifting, martial arts, practicing your game, etc...). Three years of hanging out with 7s, 8s and 9s beats four years of hanging out with mostly 5s and 6s, with a few scant 7s, which is what you'll be stuck with in the lower tier fraternities.

Top tier fraternities are choosy about handing out bids, and generally only do so to guys who they feel will add value to the house in some way. This could be any number of things. Are you naturally good-looking? Are you funny as hell? Do you know how to throw and promote ridiculously awesome parties? Are you charming as hell with sick game? Are you rich and generous with your money? Are you big with an intimidating look? Do you have a reliable hookup for drugs? Can you fight really well? Are you a semi-cool guy but smart as shit so that you could help other brothers pull up their grades/cheat off you? Failing all of these things, do you at least have a number of guys in the fraternity who will vouch for you? I have seen guys get bids for all of these reasons. The most important thing, though, is to possess at least an intermediate level of game/social charm. You can get into a top tier fraternity with average looks, but even good looking guys will get rejected if they give off a "creepy" vibe that will scare girls away and weaken the reputation of the house among sororities. The fastest way to remove yourself from consideration is to display bad game or social awkwardness.

So go in with decent or better game/charm, and pair that with some other personal asset(s) you can contribute to the house and its reputation to maximize your chances of getting a bid. I can write more on this if anyone is interested, specifically on the process of maximizing your chances of getting a bid and using game during the rush process, as well as the general thought process that fraternities operate under when selecting new members.

2) Get a job at one of the popular bars around campus

Working at a college bar is a huge DHV to young, horny college sluts who love to party. Bartenders at these places will literally have groupies if they play their cards right. It's ridiculous. A lot of college bars will be mostly staffed with members of top tier fraternities and sororities, since owners know that this is an easy way to consistently bring in the crowds. If you manage to get into a top tier fraternity, getting a job at a bar like this is all about becoming friends with the brothers who are already working there. Get in good with them and they will hook you up with a barback job and gradually slide you into bartending while teaching you the tricks of the trade.

Once you're bartending you can look forward to a constant flow of girls going out of their way to get close to you. Everyone in college wants to be friends with the bartender. If you can't leverage that status for easy lays, then you should consider a sex change. Also, you'll be pulling in pretty nice money at any respectably busy college bar. A few hundred in cash every night you work. That's baller status in college.

If you failed to get into a top tier fraternity your freshman year, there's still a chance you can get a coveted bartending job, and pursuing that goal will actually increase your chances of getting a bid the following year. You'll probably have to start out promoting or working the door of the bar. Low level grunt work. It's just a way to get your face out there and become familiar to the bartenders. If you've got good social skills you should be able to leverage those connections into a barbacking job within a year and should make valuable connections with guys in top tier fraternities, which should be enough social capital to make you valuable enough to get bids to the top houses your sophomore year.

3) Get involved with student government on campus

This depends a lot on the size of your school, but student government can be a really big deal at larger schools. Some of the top student government jobs pay salaries, and will give you a lot of great experience that you can't get anywhere else, which you can sell the shit out of in job interviews when you graduate. But perhaps more importantly, being in student government is another big DHV on campus, and further sets you apart from every other guy trying to get his dick wet. It's a big deal when you're on a first name basis with the student body President, or better yet, when you ARE the student body President.

At my school (large public university in the south) there were about two dozen high level student government jobs that paid $10k+ per year. That doesn't sound like much to a working man, but keep in mind these are part time jobs with huge status on campus, unrivaled experience and look nice as hell on a resume when you graduate. Having a nice student government job along with the fraternity/bar job shows that not only are you a cool fucking guy who knows how to have fun, but that you've got your shit together and are focused on a lifetime of success as well. The combination is absolutely killer for establishing yourself as a big man on campus.

Getting in with student government can be done through your fraternity, which if it's top tier will have a few guys who are heavily involved in student government in order to expand the power and reputation of the house. It works the same way as getting a bartending gig. Get in good with them and they'll help you into student government, probably by working on campaigns at first, then possibly running for a seat on the student senate. You can rise quickly in student government if you've got a strong leadership frame, because most of the non-Greeks involved will be total fucking chodes and geeks who will naturally step out of the way of a confident, socially savvy man.

There are also invariably a ton of attractive sorority girls in student government, because they get appointed to positions as eye candy by the top tier fraternity guys running shit. Having a high level student government job raises your status with these girls the same way that being a bartender does with party girls (although you'd be surprised how much overlap there is between the two).

In the end it's all about raising your status as a man. This is one of the core truths of game, and college is no different. It's just a different way of displaying your status than in the "real world" post-college. Do these three things and it's almost impossible not to be drowning in pussy during your college years.

[Sleek]

In less than two weeks I will begin my freshman year, so I'm incredibly excited to put all this information to use.

I will be going to school at a medium sized liberal arts school.

My plan is to:

• have a core group of 4-6 guys who I can consider my boys, but also be friends with everybody at the school.
• befriend a bunch of girls in different groups. This way I'll be valuable to my crew because I'll know the girls.
• hit the gym hard (goes without saying).
• give love. This goes back to being friends with everyone but "giving love" specifically means throwing out compliments, being a person everyone wants to see, etc.
• rush a frat sophomore year (when I can).
  

[ballsyamog]

How do you recognize the connectors in each group?

[Atlantic]

(08-16-2013 11:20 PM)ballsyamog Wrote:  

How do you recognize the connectors in each group?

So first off remember who are your deadends:

Someone who adds no value to your life and generally brings you down – usually through things like negativity, inability to progress, or disinterest in evolving as a person, bad social skills with men and women.

Then contrast that with connectors:

A social connector is someone who has a particular and rare set of social skills. They are CRUCIAL to social circle game. Social connectors belong in multiple social circles and introduce people to other people all the time. They are really good at networking and their juice in life is talking to people. Their currency is people. Introduce new people to that person. When you meet them, don’t be in their pocket all night long. When you first start hanging out with them it’s key that you don’t make them baby sit at parties and social gatherings.

Don’t over game in their social circles and don’t bring drama either. Be fluid and low maintenance with them because that is how they operate and treat others. Don’t hold them to a schedule. Be 60% interested and 40% interesting. They will be the glue of your social circle. Every 40- 50 man social circle is glued together by one or two people; these people are one of the keys to social circle game.


A ‘value connector’ is a bit different and plays a different role in social circle game. Such a person may be social – and is likely to be – but it doesn’t matter if s/he is a recluse. A value connector has access to scarce resources, where a social connector “only” has access to different social networks. A value connector may be a doorman or promoter who can get you into a hot venue. S/he might have access to parties, events, premieres, high value people, and so on. This gives you value as well, one step removed. To gain the respect of value connectors you have to bring independent value to them.
Ultimate connectors are people who are both social connectors and value connectors.

Of course, I'm not talking about using people or a mercenary approach to friendship. Most connectors are interesting, positive and passionate people who inspire others around them. Surrounding yourself with high-value people will motivate you to make the best of your life as opposed to surrounding yourself with people whose own failings, insecurities and need to protect their ego justifies settling for the familiar and the routine. To paraphrase Napoleon Hill in his book Think and Grow Rich, when you hang around people who are excellent, you become excellent yourself.

[Valhalla]

Great advice.

[Atlantic]

Thanks but I am simply passing it on from other sources and letting people know what worked for me.

[Plumpie]

So you need to be popular to get girls? How does getting involved with activities make you popular? For example,

Quote:

you might be having trouble gaming that new girl in Economics but when you invite her to that event you are running and she sees you have crazy situational value things heat up fast.

So, real-life scenario from my uni life 6 months ago, she sees me pouring coffee for the visitors of the conference, suddenly sploosh?
And whats the brand you're building? It sounds like a circular reasoning, to get popular you'll need to connect and be popular so you have social status, etc.. What am I missing here?

[King Solomon]

@Plumpie: "How does getting involved with activities make you popular?"

Go the activities. Be awesome and outgoing.

presto! well-known and well-liked.