[GameTheory]

any more non-materialistic cities????

[Numa]

I'd say that, generally speaking, Quebec is not very materialistic, at least compared to the rest of Canada, the US and even Latin America. I don't have any experience with Scandinavia so I cannot compare the two.

[GameTheory]

^^^ i suspected that highly catholicized places Barca and Mont would be like that

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(08-05-2013 05:32 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 04:03 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

Agreed with Russiansoul. Money is good, but it isn't everything, unless you're an anglo north american.

money=everything for americans and canadians since they have nothing else going for them.

I'm going to disagree here because simply saying "money" doesn't really cover it.

All women are impressed with what money can do. ALL OF THEM. It can pay for their mom's operation, their son's school, the trip to Cabo. Money is power and freedom, but more importantly to a woman money is security.

Even a hippie chick likes a free trip to India to see the Ashrams.

So yes.

All of them.

Everywhere.

dude, I am not saying money is bad. I am saying that money isn't everything. but anglo north-americans can't understand that.

[pegador]

(08-05-2013 01:08 AM)RussianSoul Wrote:  

IFeminine 2.) Unmaterialistic.

All feminine girls are materialistic to some extent. It's just their nature. Just accept it.

Regarding places where the girls are less materialistic, I'd say rural Western Europe. They're up with technology but also somewhat traditional. They may not have the latest iphone, but they won't be to flustered if you do because these things are more or less common but not necessities or large status symbols to them. Like they can get them if they want but don't because they don't value them as much as other things, not like in some cities where such things are still novel and people buy them to impress others...novo rich countries I'd say.

[rudebwoy]

So let us define Materialistic - excessively concerned with physical comforts or the acquisition of material things rather than spiritual, intellectual, moral, or cultural values.

Yes, I agree North Americans are very materialistic because they can "attain" these things, call it keeping it up with the Jones.

Are you saying that people in Europe don't aspire to have nice things. I am sorry, I have been to alot of European countries and they all seem to aspire for material things. I also lived in the UK and people there are very brand conscious.

[UrbanNerd]

Materialistic for trendy items?...NO.
Materialistic for security?...YES.

I want my women materialistic for security. That feeds right into my "beta provider" approach that I use so much. Everybody want some kind of reward for their strong points. For the guys with the ripped bodies and looks, they want the women to like them for that. For us academic/corporate types, we attain the monetary part that women want. That doesn't mean I don't hit the gym but I don't feel the need to get all super ripped when I can wave that platinum AMEX around and make the women THINK they will have some security.

Of course, the women do not know that they aren't getting a red cent once I bust that nut :-)

[Vaun]

observation and life experience. From my experience, the so called "least materialistic" american women were terrible with money, and often in debt up to their eyeballs and living paycheck to paycheck. these type of women often gravitate toward $10K's in student loans. One I was with was so giving that she gave nearly all of her money to her sister for a real estate investment, that the dumb ass sister turned into a disaster and lost everyones money. I often find these "non-materialistic" people/women, say they are because they think they are hip and cool, and better than everyone else. Their "no materialism" statement is more a cool fashion accessory, and not necessarily how frugal they are. But they are often just like everyone else, everyone meaning the typical in debt american fatso. The most frugal people I have ever met actually dont talk about it and definitely dont appear to be.

on the flip side, women I am attracted to often work hard for their things. and if I see that a women is a train wreck in this regard I immediately walk away. so I often take up with women that work really hard, to look really good and dress really well. thats why I fall hard for immigrant women, they get it. they reward themselves and take care of themselves, but are not doing so on a handout or at the risk of losing their financial security. this is often a consequence of a stable financial and work ethic. To me thats a good women.

[TopPanda]

I think materialistic women are everywhere. I've met them in China and in Thailand, and of course there are many back home.

But I've met frugal non-materialistic women in these countries as well.

Last week I dated a Thai girl who really annoyed me - first she ordered the most expensive thing on the menu, then she went on a shopping spree on our first date, but luckily she paid. Actually I thought she wanted me to pay until I realised she got her English "me" and "you" mixed up.

I'm all for a woman testing my wallet, but not when it comes to just wasting my hard earned cash. Especially when I get just 45 baht to my UK pound.

[Beyond Borders]

(08-05-2013 12:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Vicious -

Good insight.

I actually do way better in environments that are more "materialistic" ie Las Vegas, Manhattan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Miami than in environments that aren't.

To be fair, that probably has a lot to do with your overall style and game, G. Not hating on it, by any means - but just with what I know about how you roll, I'd imagine you to have more success with attracting the more materialistic women.

On the other hand, a broke bastard like me typically has more success with less materialistic women or women who have their own bread.

I have definitely bedded down some career gold diggers though. I never like them. They just seem really superficial and kind of hollow inside. Some of them have done a lot of cool shit and have a lot of useful knowledge through their experiences, but they just seem like such social vampires to me - even though I have nothing for them, I just sense it in the way they talk about other people and their past relationships.

I do really I'm doing some heavy generalizing here though.

[thegmanifesto]

(08-06-2013 10:08 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 12:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Vicious -

Good insight.

I actually do way better in environments that are more "materialistic" ie Las Vegas, Manhattan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Miami than in environments that aren't.

To be fair, that probably has a lot to do with your overall style and game, G. Not hating on it, by any means - but just with what I know about how you roll, I'd imagine you to have more success with attracting the more materialistic women.

Funny that you say that.

After I wrote that comment, I was thinking a little about it.

I think my "overall style and game" is a result of being brought up and spending time in the aforementioned environments. It is what you need to be successful so my Game mutated into that over time.

If I grew up and spent my life in Anytown, America I highly doubt I would be busting Custom Suits, huffing grits and flashing Bankrolls. Hell, I would probably wearing mall shirts, mall jeans and using credit cards.

The Vegas Strip, Soho, Sunset Strip, Hollywood, The Del Mar Racetrack, and South Beach were where I learned my "Game chops" (and to a lesser degree places like New Orleans, Beach town Orange County, San Francisco etc). Those places birthed my style. So it is only natural that my "style" also works better in those places.

It is kind of a chicken and egg thing.

[pitt]

English women without a doubt.

Specially in second tier english cities. If english women were my type of women (and the weather here was nice), I don't think I would live anywhere else. Girls are super easy, they dont give a fuck if you have a car, they never ask you for money, they are really feminine once you leave London they are not desperate for serious relationships, you bang and you move on.

Also, the quality of women is not so bad once you leave London.

[Sonsowey]

I think in most places, especially large cities, you can find materialistic or non-materialistic women.

I live in NYC, probably listed as "materialistic" by most people. I am not rich at all, don't live in a fancy area, don't have a prestigious job, etc.

I do great with young broke girls who don't have any money either and aren't expecting anything. We go on dates like taking a walk, grabbing a coffee, getting a drink or two, then go back to my place.

I almost never spend money on girls, if I do it's maybe $10 or something. If I'm hungry I'll take a girl out for food and drinks but that rarely happens and isn't the basis of our relationship. Girls just wanna hang out and have a good time, they're not trying to get anything more out of me than enjoying themselves.

Key is hitting on the right type of girls. Students, girls who live at home, girls without prestigious titles, etc. They're all much more easy going and fun and less after your cash. Girls on the corporate ladder with status-judge the shit out of you here if you say you live in a non-prestigious area. So, avoid them.

[sheesh]

(08-05-2013 05:32 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

(08-05-2013 04:03 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  

Agreed with Russiansoul. Money is good, but it isn't everything, unless you're an anglo north american.

money=everything for americans and canadians since they have nothing else going for them.

I'm going to disagree here because simply saying "money" doesn't really cover it.

All women are impressed with what money can do. ALL OF THEM. It can pay for their mom's operation, their son's school, the trip to Cabo. Money is power and freedom, but more importantly to a woman money is security.

Even a hippie chick likes a free trip to India to see the Ashrams.

So yes.

All of them.

Everywhere.

Western and Northern Europeans have a standard of living that is unheard of in the US.

So yes, we like to see ourselves as less materialistic - but that is only because our standard of living is so high that we "think" money is not important because we take every shit for granted that a lot of Americans struggle to pay for.


A lot of girls over here will tell you that money and wealth don't matter....but she or her parents has never paid a dime neither for her education - from elementary schoool to her PhD or health care, etc...yes we pay higher taxes but all in all it is still a much better deal than you get in the US.

Is dating girls in Western and Northern Europe easier than in the US ? I'd say absolutely not.

I don't know what people over here value any more... I'm just past my thirties and I'm not interested in sporting a cool hat or at least 3 tatoos to impress girls.

[jimukr104]

Curious how individual standard of living is SO Hign in Europe.Its more like socialized standard of living is higher like public transportation and medical care.
Americans value big homes and land and private cars. We have Europe beat with that.
Cheaper and abundant consumer goods America wins.
Even our health care is better....if you have it!( rich dictators and europeans come to get treated here)

[Mack Four]

(08-06-2013 05:02 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Curious how individual standard of living is SO Hign in Europe.Its more like socialized standard of living is higher like public transportation and medical care.
Americans value big homes and land and private cars. We have Europe beat with that.
Cheaper and abundant consumer goods America wins.
Even our health care is better....if you have it!( rich dictators and europeans come to get treated here)

The quality of life for your average check to check cubicle rat or skilled laborer is probably better in Europe. But once you get above the one-check-from-disaster income level it's better to be an American.

[rudebwoy]

(08-06-2013 07:55 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:02 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Curious how individual standard of living is SO Hign in Europe.Its more like socialized standard of living is higher like public transportation and medical care.
Americans value big homes and land and private cars. We have Europe beat with that.
Cheaper and abundant consumer goods America wins.
Even our health care is better....if you have it!( rich dictators and europeans come to get treated here)

The quality of life for your average check to check cubicle rat or skilled laborer is probably better in Europe. But once you get above the one-check-from-disaster income level it's better to be an American.

Although it seems cool to bash America, one thing I will say as a Canadian is that you cannot beat their standard of living. In Canada, we have a similar standard but tend to have to pay more for basic goods.
I have friends who own bikes, cars and some even boats, they aren't even rich just working class. Try living like that in Europe.

[jimukr104]

A lot of govt retiree buy boats in Florida. Well yes the bottom feeders are maybe better off in europe but aren't you guys sick of subsidizing them. That said they once did a report that said the avg nyer on public benefits is equal to a 40k job. Is that true?

[Mack Four]

(08-06-2013 09:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

A lot of govt retiree buy boats in Florida. Well yes the bottom feeders are maybe better off in europe but aren't you guys sick of subsidizing them. That said they once did a report that said the avg nyer on public benefits is equal to a 40k job. Is that true?

Take that to it's logical conclusion. Without the "bottom feeders" who's going to wash you clothes, clean your restrooms, cook your food, mow your lawns or pick your produce?

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[Courage Reborn]

Latina and central american women are less materialistic.

Many live in Los Angeles. They happily date and marry average joe blue collar men, no problem. They value family. Not money.

[StealthAlpha]

We didn't always have Mexicans. And I clean my bathroom, mow my lawn, cook my food, and I garden. Besides produce is mostly machine harvested and in the past kids picked production, this Mexican stuff is new.

I'd loose my mind if I didn't have chores.

[jimukr104]

(08-06-2013 09:57 PM)Mack Four Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 09:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

A lot of govt retiree buy boats in Florida. Well yes the bottom feeders are maybe better off in europe but aren't you guys sick of subsidizing them. That said they once did a report that said the avg nyer on public benefits is equal to a 40k job. Is that true?

Take that to it's logical conclusion. Without the "bottom feeders" who's going to wash you clothes, clean your restrooms, cook your food, mow your lawns or pick your produce?

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Our system is set up so the bottom feeders can move up, unfortunately many get addicted to free benefits.
LOL I don't know anyone who hires others to wash their clothing or mow their lawns.As a nation we be better off without mc Donalds!
In any case looking at min wage in UK it doesn't seem much higher in real income when you minus cost of living factors and tax rates.

[Greek kamaki]

To ask for places with the least meaterialistic women is like asking for places with the least horny men.

[Mack Four]

(08-07-2013 01:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Our system is set up so the bottom feeders can move up, unfortunately many get addicted to free benefits.
LOL I don't know anyone who hires others to wash their clothing or mow their lawns.As a nation we be better off without mc Donalds!
In any case looking at min wage in UK it doesn't seem much higher in real income when you minus cost of living factors and tax rates.

One major reason for the number of Mexican migrant workers being so prevalent here in California is the landscaping business. Most people who live in nicer hoods don't do their own yard work. Sure, you get the occasional old dude who listens to the ball game on his riding mower, but they are few and far between these days. At least in the city/suburbs.

[jordypip23]

Interestingly enough, a lot of these "materialistic" locales also have the greatest concentration of hot women. Sure, a lot of it may be thanks to excessive makeup and other alterations but still....something to consider.

(08-05-2013 12:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Vicious -

Good insight.

I actually do way better in environments that are more "materialistic" ie Las Vegas, Manhattan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Miami than in environments that aren't.