[RickyGP]

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/ne...=soc_fcbks

Quote:

USA Today reports that the younger you are, the more likely it is that you're planning dates via text: 21 to 26-year-olds use texting 38 percent of the time; 27 to 34, 36 percent; and 30 to 29 percent up until age 50.

[speakeasy]

What surprises me is that it's only 38% using texting at most. So that means 62% are still calling the old-fashioned way?? That to me is most shocking.

[Therapsid]

I'm also surprised by the modest difference between early 20-somethings and middle aged people. I suspect that people are self-reporting lower levels of texting because they're embarrassed to admit most of their dates are planned without talking on the phone. Or maybe Gmanifesto's right.

[Que enspastic]

maybe 62% people use gmanifesto game. regular guys not as beta as everyone thinks.

[Arado]

I'm usually doing something and don't want to be interrupted to talk on the phone. Wouldn't the same thing apply to the girl?

If you call and she's too busy to talk doesn't that put you in a disadvantageous position?

[Jestx]

This is too low. It's more like 90%.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Did they count Facebook and various chats under "texting"?

[Ensam]

The article was written by a woman. Don't believe it.

I've adopted G's phone game and it works way better. You can tell a lot by the tenor of a chicks voice. Does she sound excited to hear from you? Is she nervous? Does she sound bored?

Any chick who doesn't have it together enough to talk on the phone for 30 seconds to setup a date is probably a neurotic mess.

[MrXY]

I don't believe this study, I think text usage to plan dates is way higher than those numbers.

I've set up countless first dates without ever talking to them

My goal is just to get the girl in front of me; I'm not worried about upping her buying temperature beforehand, I'll do that when we meet.

I view calling as just another opportunity for me to fuck it up or the girl to decide she just doesn't like me enough to meet

That said I do sometimes call-I talked to two online girls this week. One sent me a pic of her big titties afterward

[blackglasses]

taking advice from cosmo, a mag for
Chicks is a bad idea

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I have thought this over and the only other explanation is that most dates (arranged via text) are not counter because they "just happened". The women counted them as just hanging out or something so that it wouldn't turn out that they were going on so many dates, which might appear slutty.

Still, puzzling. I like the G approach no matter the results, but part of its effectivness is surely based on the text being prevalent.

[Arado]

I don't have a very deep voice but can overcome it in person through looks, fashion, fitness, body language, etc. In this case wouldn't text be better?

[Hotwheels]

I've been told I have a great phone voice, but so many of these broads use their phone for text only it's insane. Call and won't answer then text 1 minute later. I don't even bother anymore.

Personally I think it's nuts that a broad will hop in your car and go for a ride after only texting, but it happens all the time. In fact the last 5 broads I have met from SA and Match I have not talked to at all prior to meeting.

Just text.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-21-2013 02:38 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

I view calling as just another opportunity for me to fuck it up or the girl to decide she just doesn't like me enough to meet

Don't take it the wrong way, but that is a loser's mentality.

Glass half empty.

I have noticed a lot of the pro-texting crowd have that deeply ingrained.

[gringochileno]

(07-20-2013 10:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What surprises me is that it's only 38% using texting at most. So that means 62% are still calling the old-fashioned way?? That to me is most shocking.

Maybe that's one reason why texting is more likely to get a response. If you call you're doing what all the other beta chumps are doing - it's seen as showing too much interest. Texting is alpha because you're not showing a willingness to do more than the minimum to contact a girl. It's the same principle behind not using capitalization or punctuation in texts.

Of course that's a generalization though. I don't doubt that the pro-calling players here have a system that works for them. When gmanifesto calls you after casually asking you for a light in his custom suit, it's a whole different vibe than getting a call from Joe the Accountant who kept leaning in and is super-excited to hear your voice.

[DVY]

You get 3-4x more information via phone than text. Plus for those who are verbally gifted but writing-retarded its a huge boon.

[Ensam]

Yesterday I setup a date with a chick I met last week. I called her and left a message: 30 seconds. She called me back 20 minutes later and we shot the shit for a few minutes, I made a call back to our initial conversation when we met, and we set a date: 3 min. Total time invested 3:30 seconds.

Compare that to texting where you gotta go back and forth and space out your texts to not seem too needy. Phone call was way less effort and I feel like I got to know the girls personality a little better. Also a phone call is perceived as ballsier and chicks dig guys who take social risks.

[The Beast1]

Calling a chick is very old fashioned and it works as an effective measure to gauge a woman's interest.

I would definitely call and set up dates. If you get the, "Goes to voicemail, text 1 minute later" text back saying ,"pick up your phone driving".

Don't own a car? Who cares! The point is to use your verbal mastery rather than texting. Being charming in the moment is a lot easier than thinking up some snarky witty text retort.

[LeBeau]

I had serious doubts reading the headline of this thread, and so far it's proving true. Let's begin:

Quote:

Among 1,500 single smartphone users surveyed in May, ages 21-50, who date or have been in a relationship less than two years:

This small sample size, and clarification around sample definition, waters down the headline and findings. If you're already in a relationship, you are most likely talking in person about future activities, then confirming through text.

Only with new girls do you need to sell dates, or convey personality/spark emotions before suggesting something.

I think some of the younger guys forget the power of a girl hearing your wit over the phone, and men in turn, hearing the woman laughing and enjoying their banter.

A bit of phone time also allows a girl to get more comfortable and ask more personal questions where you can knock it out of the park. Don't get the mentality that every time you call a chick, you'll immediately expose yourself or risk ruining things. That can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, there's another reason phone time can actually work in your favour. Since things have become more impersonal through text, phone game actually counts for a lot more in terms of rationalizing sleeping with a guy quickly.

I don't do online dating, but have heard from enough girls the following exchange: "So you slept with him on your first date?" "Yeah, but it wasn't like that. We had Skyped/and or chatted on the phone a bunch beforehand"

Quote:

Drew Johnson has learned that when it comes to asking a woman out, texting beats calling every time.

"Most of the girls I've hung out with lately prefer a group activity rather than one-on-one," says Johnson, 30, a mechanical engineer from West Chicago, Ill., who plays bass in a band. "From my observations, the response rate on, 'Do you want to go for dinner or meet for a drink?' is very low compared to 'I'm here with a group of people. Show up if you want to,' " he says.

Without commenting on the engineer and 30 year old part time bass player stereotypes, it's obvious he's not really taking the lead, or giving definite plans.

I bet his success rate would go up with texts along the lines of: "Meet me at ____ at 10. Wear your favourite dress and heels. You'll see me in the white blazer"

"I'll pick you up at 10. Wear something sexy but comfy. We may end up working on your dance skills"

If you have weak texting game, what's the odd the phone game is far worse?

I can only imagine: "So what are your favourite foods? Oh, have you been ___? Okay what about ____? Alright well it doesn't matter to me, we can go where you like. Why don't you pick?"


So in conclusion, I'm not taking either approach as an absolute. Lots of grey area, and obviously if you've had enough time in person and/or she's clearing craving it, texting just for logistics is fine. I love shotgun texts, as well as quick, non-needy set ups like "Round 2 this weekend". Restarts seem to also lend themselves to texting first, and picture texts are often effective too.

Keep in mind the only way you can "lose points" is if you're doing one or the other badly, at the end of the day, technology is still just a tool.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quote:

I don't do online dating, but have heard from enough girls the following exchange: "So you slept with him on your first date?" "Yeah, but it wasn't like that. We had Skyped/and or chatted on the phone a bunch beforehand"

While I still think texting is a slightly better option overall, this sentence is pure gold.

[bachelor tax]

Obviously a phone call is going to leave a stronger/better impression on a chick. It's much easier to calibrate and game a girl with your voice than with text. Half of game is basically getting face time in with a girl, and voice time is better than nothing. I think phone game is great, and I always have better results with it than texting.

The big problem is getting the girl to answer the fucking phone. Young girls are so socially retarded I'm surprised you guys are having any luck with calls. Most under 25 girls I've met within the last few years think it's weird if a guy calls them and downright creepy if you leave a voicemail.

[Christian McQueen]

It's not black and white. I think it depends on the ethnicity and if the girl is foreign or not.

Interestingly enough, most of the foreign girls I've pulled have actually called ME, which I found to be odd, but they seem to be more open to being upfront in their interest and less about waiting 45min to return a text, like American girls.

Can any of you Nomadic Players share on if you see a big difference in calling or texting overseas?

For my club sluts I send texts with no punctuation and no capitalization. Works like a charm.

[soup]

I only call if I'm inviting a girl over via "fresh direct" from the internet. She needs to hear me first most of the time (although I have done it without them hearing me).

[horn]

(07-22-2013 08:33 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

I've been told I have a great phone voice, but so many of these broads use their phone for text only it's insane. ...
Personally I think it's nuts that a broad will hop in your car and go for a ride after only texting, but it happens all the time. In fact the last 5 broads I have met from SA and Match I have not talked to at all prior to meeting.

Just text.

I've had the identical response from girls: 5 in the past 6 weks, 0 calls by either side, solely texting. I was/am shocked that 100% of the communication has been text. No flakes yet, either which also surprised me.

I would prefer some phone calls because I have pro verbal skills but....shrug.