Quote: (08-18-2016 07:06 PM)Belgrano Wrote:
Quote: (08-18-2016 05:04 PM)Excelsior Wrote:
So your choices are either neuter yourself like a dog (while relying on a method of sperm preservation that has not proven 100% effective and could very well result in your never being able to have children) or lock yourself down in your early twenties and hope your wife decides to stick around and not walk off with half your earning after you retire?
Yes.
If that's what you honestly think, then I have to question how fit you really are to advise these men. That you believe early marriage combined with a gang of children is an even remotely appropriate answer to protecting these athletes says quite a bit.
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For most of these guys a vasectomy would be the safest and most convenient option.
Not if they want children down the road. Then there is in fact quite a bit of risk. They also lose the ability to sire children on their own terms later on in their lives, which is a very high price to pay - that's a natural right that they are abdicating simply because of the feminine imperative. This is not something to take lightly.
These are men, not dogs. They must not be relegated to neutering themselves simply because of women and the feminine imperative they've foisted on society at large.
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The part with the marriage was inspired by all the boys who claim to be good Christians, for whatever reason. Pointless to live in celibacy for half a decade. Better get a good Christian girl and start with the babymaking right now. Not a mindset I can comprehend, but apparently some guys are just weird like that. It does however not make any sense to wife up some ho because Jesus told you so, then fuck some other hoes on the side and get divorce raped.
You don't know these guys terribly well.
The number of athletes who claim to be great Christians and reference God in every other social media post is substantial. The number who are capable of avoiding temptation while married as young professional athletes is minimal - nearly all of these "god-fearing" athletes are, like most men, vulnerable to the presentation of copious amounts of tits and ass. Most talk a big game, but aren't going to turn down the half dozen instagram models, video vixens, and playboy playmates bombarding their phones over the course of their career.
They are among the vast majority of athletes who will give in and want to enjoy the fruits of their labor (being young, fit, professional athletes), and if they're married the risk of them doing that gets very, VERY high, much higher than it is when they are single.
And that is only half the story. Even assuming these men remain completely faithful and do no wrong (thus giving their women no reason to divorce while pointing the finger at them for cheating or whatever), they remain at the mercy of their wives because we live in a no-fault divorce society that, quite frankly, favors women. If the money dries up on retirement and she decides its time for her to try something new, he's up shit creek with no paddle, and he can't protect the money he made during his peak earning years (read: his playing career) because he took your advice and got married at the beginning of it - half of that belongs to her. If he has the 10 kids you advised him to have as well, he'll be truly broke post-career or struggling to cobble together a career in the broadcast booth or coaching world.
Marriage prior to or during the playing career is a bad idea for all of these athletes, not just the ones who spend a little less time talking about God.
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Excuses for being a silly foreigner, but I thought there's no such thing as an air tight prenup in the US?
You can get strong, effective pre-nups in the USA if you know where to get them and have the means to afford them. Wealthy men in the corporate world do it all the time.
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And that's what I mean. Most of those guys can't cope with a limitless supply of quality pussy throwing themselves at them. Actually most of us can't. Just can't do it.
You can tell them to be careful as much as you want, very few will have the mental strenght to go through with it. No man can stay vigilant all the time. Sooner or later you are going to slip and make a mistake.
One can recover from a mistake, maybe even two mistakes.
One may not recover from a vasectomy, a potentially irreversible procedure.
These men can do better than they're doing now with regards to coping with the female attention they'll receive. They just need good coaching from men who a) they can trust and b) who actually understand them and want them to succeed.
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Vasectomy may seem like a radical solution, but it could save a lot of guys who might not be the smartest cookies in the jar a lot of trouble.
Just being practical here.
If by "practical" you mean "radically submitting to the feminine imperative", sure.
We live in a society increasingly hostile to men. Your response is to encourage masses of men to neuter themselves and potentially forever abdicate their natural right to procreate.
How do you think those in support of the feminine imperative really feel about men mutilating themselves and neutering their procreative capability at their behest? Happy or sad?
Vasectomies are not solutions to be thrown around casually for healthy men simply because of the feminine imperative that dominates our society. The answer is to re-orient oneself in this society in such a way as to allow men to be wholly masculine (with their natural procreative capabilities FULLY intact and free of mutilation) or to head off to a different society that will allow that.
I'll be damned if I'll allow this society and the feminine imperative that dominates it to neuter me like a dog, and I'm not going to co-sign any idea that aids this society in that mission. Nobody here should. We are, again, men, not dogs. Act like it.
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So you too actually don't expect the guys to manage being careful all the time, better do damage control through lower child support. Reasonable, although if you want to be a good father you'll have to bring the child and maybe the mother as well close to yourself, which probably means ending up with US jurisdiction again. But ok, lots of men just don't care about this, real talk for sure.
Guys are not going to be perfect, and if they manage their earnings carefully (again, a topic for another post) they will not need to be. Getting abroad gives them more room for error and, frankly, more freedom.
The bulk of the athletes with children out of wedlock today aren't seeing those children everyday. They're not in those homes and their mothers have primary custody. The situation involving a woman from abroad and a child born and raised there would be no different, save for the fact that it would involve substantially lower legal and economic risks for the athlete.
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Goes without saying, but a highly unrealistic expectation.
Wrapping up means nothing if your sperm is worth millions of dollars. Women have no shame when the big prize is within reach.
Again, no man can stay vigilant all the time.
They can stay vigilant more of the time than is currently the case, and they can keep mistakes to a very manageable level.
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I don't think you can expect most athletes to have that much self-control in the face of constant and abundant temptation.
In my opinion most would be better off choosing the radical, but carefree and risk minimizing approach.
In my opinion (which is informed by substantially more experience than yours with regard to this particular topic), they're really not.
There are ways for young athletes to properly navigate the pitfalls of their existence without neutering themselves and possibly embracing the permanent abdication of a natural right or marrying early and effectively forfeiting a great deal of their lifetime earnings.