[WhoZis]

(05-04-2012 02:36 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

If the women were more attractive ( I think they are the least attractive of the SE Asian races ) and the weather was not so damned sweaty I'd go back.

Really?

How would you rank Southeast Asian countries (or major islands) strictly for looks?

And... any thoughts on the least sweltering climate(s)?

[WhoZis]

(05-05-2012 04:44 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

My father went with me on the trip. He's 67. He banged a 19 year old waitress in a bar we went to ( he claimed she was a virgin but I think he was bullshitting ). He decided to build a house there and live with her. That was 4 years back,they now have a little baby together,my half sister and he considers going to Indonesia the best thing he ever did. His life was ebbing away into retirement drudgery in the UK,now he has a house on the beach,a young girlfriend and spends his time snorkling and hanging out with his other expat mates. Good on him.

LOL great story!

Told my sons they're going to get half-siblings, I just don't know what color yet.

[The Fantasist]

(05-10-2012 03:11 AM)WhoZis Wrote:  

(05-04-2012 02:36 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

If the women were more attractive ( I think they are the least attractive of the SE Asian races ) and the weather was not so damned sweaty I'd go back.

Really?

How would you rank Southeast Asian countries (or major islands) strictly for looks?

And... any thoughts on the least sweltering climate(s)?

The further north you go the better the women and the better the climate in my opinion. The best looking girls in that part of Asia are in my opinion from Sichuan province in China ( not sure if we can call that SE Asia or not ). The girls there are a world away from Indonesian girls looks wise. They are much lighter skinned which I like and much more dainty in their physique. The weather suits me because they have cold winters with snow which I like,give me minus 10c over plus 30c any day. After that I'd say Kunming is a nice city to live in with nice girls. Weather is mild and pleasant too. I felt it was china's most liveable city. The problem with China is that although the weather and girls are best,the lifestyle is not a patch on places like Indonesia/Thailand etc. you have to abide by rules,can't just go cruising around on your scooter,hit the beach,hang out at the bar with mates before hitting a full moon party. But if you don't need that then China is good and it's easy to get work.

Of the classically considered SE Asian countries I'd say the girls from North Vietnam are best and I think the winter temps are reasonably chilly up there too so you can get a rest-bite from the incessant sweaty feeling of the tropics.

[isis]

Jakarta broke my ice...

I am a shy guy, I have never really approached a girl in a seductive way, seduction was something foreign to me, I never had a problem talking to someone about something, but as soon as I noticed a women behind the person I was talking to, I loose my mind.

I'll be hated for this story that I am about to tell, but here goes.

I am in Jakarta for 2 nights, I arrive late the first night, nothing much to do other than sleep, ..., in the morning I get up, managed to figure out how the public transport works and head myself into city. I spend most of the time exploring the town, museums, galleries, whatever will fill my day ... I was anticipating a night out.

I get back to the hotel, freshen up, and head out a little street in blok M, not knowing much about it other than that there are bars and nightclubs around that area, so I tell the driver to take me there. I suspected there would be a market for tourist mainly interested in sex, but I had also heard (or maybe mistakenly) that this is where the locals also hang out - I wanted something slightly more challenging.

So I walk in, and straight away I notice old white guys and think, okay - this is not what I was expecting - there were heaps of women there, some looked decent and not like 'you give me money', it was hard to figure out - usually girls will just crowd around in a big group, but most of them just stood in a kind of line up.

I was disappoint, but I knew it would be my last night in jakarta, and the live band wasn't half band - lots of energy - I get a beer and join in around the outside, watching the show, watching the room, watching the old men, and the women they seemed to dance with badly, I saw the lights, the dance floor, bored in two minutes, ..., I thought, I am just going to drink myself and go home?

I sit down, and a lady comes up ... probably around 40 years, she was nice looking, pleasant to talk to, but it was all too easy, and as I suspected, 'you give me money I do for you' - I didn't really want to say no, but I didn't want to say yes either, so I offer to buy her drinks, she refuses, she says she needs money to go home, so I offered that I'd taxi her home - I think I'd have actually done it - at this point I was feeling like the whole night was gone - and well why not, it doesn't cost me anything to entertain myself.

I tell her I am going to get a drink - I go across the road to see of there are any other clubs where there are 'real' girls - I found none, just more of the same; so I end up at a coffee shop, drink some coffee, thinking about what had just happened, and wondered where the real party is... maybe it was just in a brochure and never existed.

The first bar I went to had the most people in it, so I go back there, thinking 'wtf are you doing', because I'd written it of, and was worried I'd eventually get angry that I'd spent money on shitty beer, waking up the next morning feeling like a churro.

I stroll back inside, this time with a bit more energy, too much energy, I need to mellow out a bit, so I grab a vodka and orange juice: ... I walked close to the dance floor, and I see two girls, drinking beer, one of them caught my eye, I try to act like I didn't notice them, and walk around to the back, I think ... 'hmm they came here just me, and they are enjoying beer, I could relate to them' -

So after two to three minutes, I grab a seat on a bar table next to them, pull out my phone and pretend text, wondering whether or not I should approach, the same thoughts entered my mind, 'what if I try to say something and they don't hear it?', 'what if they don't want to face me at all?' - the familiar fear of rejection was knocking - I look up, she makes eye contact, ... I hold for 2-3 seconds, ... then go back to fake texting, screaming inside my own head - but holding my composure I wonder if I had lost it, breaking eye contact ... right then and there, I said to myself 'what are you doing? who the fuck cares if you fuck up or not, this is different city! just go up!'

The girl I liked out of the two was kind of sheltered by other, so I waited for her to go around on to the otherside, and made my move, I got up ... walked around, made eye contact, and said hey... she smiled, said hey, ... , and I surprised myself, out of no where my hand jumps out, "whats your name?"

this was one of the most exhilarating experiences I've ever had! we chat - understanding each other over the loud music that is playing 5 feet away from us, my usual muffled voice had left, I was shouting loudly, using my hands to turn her shoulders - I have never touched someone so spontaneously! it felt so natural that I didn't even have to think about it.

The music starts to die down, I start get a bit nervous, I never know what to say to women, I said to myself, well, right now I have enjoyed what I have done so far, ..., walking up, chatting, touching her, it did not matter to me what would happen from now on, if the conversation dies down, so be it, if she moves on, so be it, I don't care!

I bring up whether she knows any other place, (she knows that I am visiting and basically wanting to have fun on my last night) - so we go outside - I sense they don't really want to go anywhere else, I let them battle it out in Indonesian (the other girl wants to go home), I suggest we visit the coffee shop, where it is er' quieter, no hiding behind loud music now I thought to myself, and then - I bought them coffee (is that to beta?) - I am going to have coffee with two women, I've never done that before! I don't care that I am paying.

We sit there and talk for hours, exchanging ph numbers and facebook contacts, made only more fun by the fact that she didn't fully understand my English, and I didn't know any Indonesian, and between her friend that didn't speak any english, I didn't need to have a intense discussion about anything (which I often do) - I just settled down in a rhythm of keeping it light, not fearing long pauses, and just generally enjoying coffee.

Later on (almost) morning time, I offer to drop them home, ... I wasn't looking for anything more at this point, I was content with what I had achieved, they agree - she starts asking me to 'cancel' my journey tomorrow, ... too cute.

We drop her friend off, she says thanks, and we go on the way. We stop at a intersection, a cross road, left is the way to her house, right the way to my hotel, ... the taxi driver asks me which way, I turn around and ask her what she wants to do? ... she asks, 'Is it okay if I come to your hotel, do you mind?' - I tell her it's totally cool with me and it is up to her ... if she wants to come back fine, she say OK.

... more to come ...

[Soma]

(05-05-2012 10:43 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(05-04-2012 02:36 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

There is no need to pipeline Indonesian girls because it's the only country I've been where women constantly approached ME. I'm not talking about Jakarta so much but outside of it all you have to do is frequent the same cafe two times in a row and the waitress will open you and offer to show you her town. The bang always happens. On my first night in Jakarta I was in 'Captain Morgan's Bar' on Jalan Jaksa talking to the expats in there. I asked one how you go about finding women there, "you don't find them,they will find you" he said. Next day I flew to an untouristy island visited a cafe a couple of times and banged the waitress after she offered to show me her town. Visited another town,banged the chamber maid in my hotel after she asked to have her photo with me. It was ridiculous. Never had it that easy in my life and I'm not exactly great looking. If the women were more attractive ( I think they are the least attractive of the SE Asian races ) and the weather was not so damned sweaty I'd go back.

Vorkuta, I will all call you out on this one. Never been to Indonesia and you might have something special (i believe the experiences you had are true) and those expats might know some secrets we dont know. But there is no way Indonesia is easier than the Philippines. Even in the Philippines you have to put some effort...i.e. start chatting in the malls, pipeline. And yes even in the Philippines the smaller the city you go to the more looks you get and that translates to more opportunities for quick bangs..but you have to inititiate still. But my guess is that that most Indonesian girls are not that hot, in genera,l and thus more willing to bang a westerner if they are not muslim. Or it could be that they are more sexually repressed. But other than nature tourism, I have never heard indonesia being ranked higher than the philippines, in terms of the women.

I can confirm Vorkuta's experience: I get approached by women, though obviously not top quality, every day in Jakarta. Haven't been to the Philippines for comparison but I've never experienced anything like this. For a specific example, last night I was having a drink outside with a friend and an older woman walking by chatted us up, where I'm from, standard stuff. Then she starts telling me about how she is married to a Belgian man, her sister to a Swiss man, and how all the women in her family prefer white men. Not hard to see where this is going. Soon after she runs across the street to get her daughter, who was a waitress at a restaurant, and introduce her to me, etc. Bangable, but only a 6, so wasn't interested. One experience among many. I get cat-called by women in malls; it's bizarre and somewhat disconcerting. I'm still just looking at the tip of the iceberg in trying to understand the culture here. Was at a coastal town the past few days and noticed a significant drop-off in talent compared to central and south Jakarta. In fact, every attractive girl I met there was from Jakarta. The talent in some of the trendy, upper-class clubs here is phenomenal and very open and receptive to foreigners compared to, say, those in Bangkok (Thong Lor). From my brief experience so far I'd say Jakarta, and maybe much of Indonesia, is definitely an underrated, off-the-radar location, girl-wise. Will write a datasheet afterwards as there isn't a ton of useful information on the board here.

Also, from people's general description and dislike of the place, I expected Jakarta to be a dirty, dangerous shithole, but that isn't how I'd describe it at all. Hell, with its generic tall glass and steel buildings the central area can even feel a bit like downtown Toronto.

[the_conductor]

How would you rate the girls' English level in Jakarta, Soma? You seem to be doing well there without knowing Bahasa Indonesia I assume. All the Indonesians I knew spoke good English, but I'm not sure if that is a small subset.

Also do you get IOIs equally from all kinds of Indonesians - the Malay Indonesians, Chinese Indonesians etc? I heard the real ethnic Indonesians are gorgeous (also very tall), but harder to come by nowadays. The Malay Indos are quite similar to the ones in Malaysia looks and culture wise I presume.

[Gavin1234]

(06-29-2012 12:35 PM)Soma Wrote:  

Also, from people's general description and dislike of the place, I expected Jakarta to be a dirty, dangerous shithole, but that isn't how I'd describe it at all. Hell, with its generic tall glass and steel buildings the central area can even feel a bit like downtown Toronto.

Woah, slow down there. Though, not dangerous, it's still a shithole with all the dirt and insane traffic jams. Not much to see there either and the buidlings in the center are mostly government style architecture. But I also loved it and had a lot of fun. Incredible nightlife, which you definitely would not expect in a muslim country (but keep in mind Ramadhan when a lot of places will shut down for a month, starts in 2 or 3 weeks or so). Btw you can also meet girls from Jakarta in Bali, when they are there on holiday.

[The Fantasist]

Yeah Jakarta is the biggest shit hole I've personally been to,and I lived in India for four years so that is saying something. Sure as Soma points out there are modern parts but away from the central business district it's a city of filth and stench. I remember walking down Jalan Jaksa and having big rats running past me and the stench from the canals you drive past from the airport into the centre. But if you can put up with that there is a whole lot of fun to be had.

Anybody ever go to 'The Stadium',I heard plenty about it but never got there.

[Deb Auchery]

The best thing for me about Indonesia was the natural beauty, volcanoes etc. Seeing the Komodo dragons was one of my best experiences.

Indonesia is not fun like Thailand though, Bali is a bit of a dump really but the surfing is fun. Also I didn't like the food so much, not compared to Thai for example.

If I go back it will be to rest from the pussy rather than to hunt

[Deb Auchery]

The best thing about Bali was meeting a Swedish volleyball team. The girls had a competition to see who could kiss the most guys. I kissed them all and fucked one

[Snok]

(06-30-2012 05:44 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

The best thing for me about Indonesia was the natural beauty, volcanoes etc. Seeing the Komodo dragons was one of my best experiences.

Indonesia is not fun like Thailand though, Bali is a bit of a dump really but the surfing is fun. Also I didn't like the food so much, not compared to Thai for example.

If I go back it will be to rest from the pussy rather than to hunt

Spot on!

[Deb Auchery]

I haven't been to Jakarta, only south of there.

Indonesia was voted the best country in the world for Entrepreneurs starting a new business, intriguing.

[RichieP]

Sounds so cool. It really sounds like a cool exotic off-the-beaten path place to check out. Hopefully I can swing by after bangkok for a week or two.

[expectation]

I'm heading to Jakarta in August but during Ramadon though I'd still like to make the most of it here. Any tips on nightlife during Ramadon?

[Gavin1234]

Never been there during Ramadan. I doubt it will be as enjoyable as during normal times. Nightlife-wise you could try to stick to the big Western hotels and their hotel bars. Most other places are probably closed or close early.

This site was quite useful when I was there to look for clubs: http://www.jakarta100bars.com/

There you can find an article on Ramadan nightlife:

http://www.jakarta100bars.com/2008/07/ja...which.html

Maybe you are lucky and find some nice spots. Report back when you are done.

[expectation]

Thanks Garvin. That link looks like a very good source and the comments on these articles are still active with up to date comments.

I know nobody, going by myself, and have never been to Jakarta so my plan is to get myself accommodation at the Jalan Jaksa area. Talk to some of the locals/expats on suggestions but if that fails I can just check out whatever is listed. Also, some of the hotel bars in that article are located in the same region (North Jakarta) so hopefully I don't experience the traffic that people are commenting when I cab it to wherever.

I'll check back here with a report.

[Soma]

That nightlife article isn't completely accurate. True, the hotel bars are open but are packed with pros/semi-pros/freelancers. Dragonfly, X2 and Red Square are closed for all Ramadan. Immigrant and Blowfish are open weekends only, but with a local band instead of a DJ and they close early. Domain is still open with DJ but closes early. I believe Loewy and Skye are still open but haven't confirmed yet. Don't know about the clubs in Kota, e.g. Stadium, but they're even more seedy than the hotel clubs anyway.

It's a lot quieter in Jakarta at night during Ramadan, and the party shifts to Bali, Singapore, etc. A return flight from Jakarta to Bali costs less than an average night out anyway, so anyone who can afford going to the clubs listed above just flies away for a few days at a time to party.

[Soma]

(06-29-2012 01:25 PM)the_conductor Wrote:  

How would you rate the girls' English level in Jakarta, Soma? You seem to be doing well there without knowing Bahasa Indonesia I assume. All the Indonesians I knew spoke good English, but I'm not sure if that is a small subset.

Also do you get IOIs equally from all kinds of Indonesians - the Malay Indonesians, Chinese Indonesians etc? I heard the real ethnic Indonesians are gorgeous (also very tall), but harder to come by nowadays. The Malay Indos are quite similar to the ones in Malaysia looks and culture wise I presume.

Haven't had a problem with English. Every person I've met at the high-end clubs - all middle-upper/upper class - speak at least conversational English. For everyone else its a mixed bag, from perfect fluency to just a few words. Regarding girls, however, there is a self-selection process as basically any girl that seriously would be interested in a foreigner, be him Western or other Asian, will speak at least basic English.

About the IOIs, nothing noticeably different, maybe a bit less from the Indo-Chinese but that's probably because they tend to go out in larger mixed groups and pay less attention to other people. I find the "real Indonesians" more attractive anyways, but not taller.

[Soma]

(06-30-2012 06:41 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Indonesia was voted the best country in the world for Entrepreneurs starting a new business, intriguing.

Ya, good luck with that as a foreigner. Did the article also mention that it is also one of the most corrupt countries in the world? Unless you know the ins-and-outs of the system, have the right local connections, pay off the right people, etc. you are just going to be pissing away money and dealing with endless frustration. Anything you try to do will end up costing double the price, take double the time and at one half the quality than you would originally expect if you were dealing with things in a developed country. This coming from expats who persevered and run businesses here.

[Gavin1234]

(07-25-2012 01:38 AM)Soma Wrote:  

That nightlife article isn't completely accurate. True, the hotel bars are open but are packed with pros/semi-pros/freelancers. Dragonfly, X2 and Red Square are closed for all Ramadan. Immigrant and Blowfish are open weekends only, but with a local band instead of a DJ and they close early. Domain is still open with DJ but closes early. I believe Loewy and Skye are still open but haven't confirmed yet. Don't know about the clubs in Kota, e.g. Stadium, but they're even more seedy than the hotel clubs anyway.

It's a lot quieter in Jakarta at night during Ramadan, and the party shifts to Bali, Singapore, etc. A return flight from Jakarta to Bali costs less than an average night out anyway, so anyone who can afford going to the clubs listed above just flies away for a few days at a time to party.

Yeah, I would have suspected the same thing. Not sure how hardened these pros are and whether shoring still is a possibility. Most normal girls will rather go back home to their families as many do not originally come from Jakarta. Then, others that still want to party, might be in Bali or somewhere else. However, Jalan Jaksa might be a good spot as it seems to be the main backpacking area (I didn't stay there though, stayed in Gunung close to where X2 and Red Square are, but as you point out these spots are unfortunately closed at this time). It might be best to go for backpacker chicks then. Maybe bring a bottle of booze, in case you have to party there.

[jdreise]

(07-25-2012 02:05 AM)Soma Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 06:41 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Indonesia was voted the best country in the world for Entrepreneurs starting a new business, intriguing.

Ya, good luck with that as a foreigner. Did the article also mention that it is also one of the most corrupt countries in the world? Unless you know the ins-and-outs of the system, have the right local connections, pay off the right people, etc. you are just going to be pissing away money and dealing with endless frustration. Anything you try to do will end up costing double the price, take double the time and at one half the quality than you would originally expect if you were dealing with things in a developed country. This coming from expats who persevered and run businesses here.

Bumping this thread as I'm considering Indonesia as my next destination.

I'm going to go the entrepreneur route this time instead of working for the locals. I've heard Indonesia is the next manufacturing destination after China and Vietnam. Of course I might have to teach some English at first to handle living expenses...

Is there anyone here that has Indonesian import/export experience?
Does anyone have any experiences in some of the other major Javan cities like Surabaya and Semarang? Maybe even some of the other islands like Sumatra or Borneo? How do they compare with Java?

I understand Bali is Hindu and parts of Sumatra have Sharia Law so it seems like there is huge variance in Indonesia.

[artur jedi]

Guys,
I read this topic and decided to go to Indonesia. I'm right now in Thailand (last day of Muay Thai in Phuket), tomorrow I go to Kuala Lumpur, and then have a month to travel around before coming back to Thailand.
Which part of Indonesia would you recommend?
What I'm looking for are:
beach (a must)
relaxed environment
possible to catch a cheap flight from Kuala Lumpur and then to Bangkok
and of course I want to experience those woman who will hit on me

Thanks for ideas!
ps. if someone is interested in video from muay thai , here it goes..

[lurker]

Anyone who says

(06-30-2012 05:16 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Yeah Jakarta is the biggest shit hole I've personally been to

has never been to Padang. But on the bright side...

Indonesia is cheap as dirt, easy to get by on English just about anywhere outside Sumatra, and welcoming. Safe enough. If you're going the business route GOOD LUCK and try to find locals you can actually trust, or expats you know that have been there long enough to know the ropes. The Balinese are the most trustworthy; Sumatrans will treat you fairly enough; I wouldn't put my finances anywhere in spitting distance of a Javanese or Lomboker. You will be fluent in Bahasa in a year of living there and trying. It's a made up language with no conjugations or declensions, and plurals are formed by repeating words. Now, the individual island languages... that's a horse of a different color. Perjalanan bagus.

[TheImpossibleBoy]

Hey, does anyone have experience in th Maluku Islands? I may be heading over there for a one month vacation in a few years.

[lavidaloca]

(03-11-2015 12:17 AM)TheImpossibleBoy Wrote:  

Hey, does anyone have experience in th Maluku Islands? I may be heading over there for a one month vacation in a few years.

Why worry about it if you are going in lets say 2+ years? Lots of things change in that time frame.