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08-23-2010, 03:36 PM
Mixx mentioned in another thread a move I've been contemplating for years and tried half-heartedly to do, which is to get some sleep & rest and then show up at a big party around 5am. I think 5am can be generalized to mean closing time, which in other states like California could mean 2am.
I've lived in both Cali and Miami, so am familiar with both party scenes. In Cali, closing time is at 2am with last call at 1:30am and as such, there's the so called "1:30 scramble" with people trying desperately to find someone to hook up with in the time leading to last call. In Miami, most clubs close at 5am but then there are afterparty places like Club Space that go on till noon or afternoon.
I think this move has it merits and I'd like to hear your opinion(s) and suggestions on this move.
The pros right off the top of my head are:
1. you're fresh & have more energy to game
2. to the women, you're new (and interesting/mysterious) to the scene. you're not the guy they've seen hitting on girls all night, or worse striking out each time.
3. you may not have to pay cover or wait in a line.
4. it's healthier - you're not spending all night inside a smoke filled bar/club
5. it's more time efficient
The cons
1. The prime pickings are most probably picked off by then by other (good) players
2. This won't be a socializing with your friends/coworkers thing.
3. This a bit of a cold & calculating move. When I did this once, I was overcome with this feeling like I was a hitman or Batman - like I had a job to execute. Not for everyone I think.
4. You'll miss most of the party, which can actually be a lot of fun. And for me, I like good music, so there was a good DJ, I'll have missed that too.
5. If there is an afterparty, this will dissipate the need for girls to hook up at the end of the main party. Does one then show up towards the middle or end of the afterparty? Which, in Miami or Buenos Aires could mean 10 in the morning, lol.
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08-23-2010, 04:15 PM
Im too groggy in the morning to pick up, especially if Im getting up at that hour.
When I was living in Argentina, I would take a nap around 10pm for an hour or so. That was usually enough to keep me going through 8-9am.
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08-29-2010, 03:22 PM
On that same thread I wrote that IMO this is too extreme. I do the following: instead of pre-drinking since 9pm (like most guys do) I get a couple of hours nap and go out at 12-1am. You are still getting the prime sarging hours, while being freshly showered and dressed, unlike the competition, who already stink of beer, sweat, and smokes.
As for not paying cover when you show up late, this may work at regular clubs, but when there is a big party they do charge all night. I remember once at an outdoors rave at the beach where Tiesto was going to be the DJ we showed up 5am - well guess what, they asked us to pay $40 which was the ticket price all night. Paying that for a 6-hour set may be fine if you are a fan but I wasn't going to pay that for the 1-2 hours remaining.
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12-01-2010, 07:46 AM
What about showing up early at bars and pubs (say around 8 pm or so) and the sarging till the loud music is switched on at around 10:30 pm? I find it incredibly difficult to run any sort of game once the loud music comes on.
Maybe develop rapport with a chick and then venue bounce her to a club for some prime kino escalation.
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12-01-2010, 10:43 AM
Ha, this is fucked up.
Just take advantage of any and every opportunity as it presents itself, whether at 2AM or 2PM. For all the skills, routines and whatnot you will memorize, the real game is when you are able to improvise on the spot by approaching a girl in a situation any average guy would see as an impossible move.
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12-01-2010, 03:41 PM
I sat down today, and wrote on paper all the successful *UNIQUE* bangs of 2010 all around the world I've had so far, and then broke down some logistics to see where I am most successful:
Day Game:
Total Bangs resulting from Day Game: 67
Day Game Stats broken down by time window of number above:
Total successful bangs when approaches were made between
0600-Noon: 8 bangs /* these were approaches made of girls jogging on the beach/park, walking their dog, heading to work, early morning coffee shops. */
Noon-1600hrs (Lunch breaks): 17 bangs /* These were bangs of girls I would approach at office corporate parks/lunch venues */
1600-2100 - Happy Hours: 42 bangs
Night Game Total Bangs: 48
2100 - 0000: 24 /* These are bangs where approaches were made at clubs before it gets very crowded */
0000 - 0200: 11 /* These are bangs where approaches were made at night venues during PEAK time */
0200 - 0400: 4 /* These are bangs where approaches were made while the night winds down or there is an after-party option */
0400 - 0600: 9 /* These are bangs where approaches were made during last call, or closing time, or shortly after arriving at an after-party */
So, these stats tell me that as today in 2010, I have banged a total of 115 UNIQUE women, and these stats tell me that I should focus more on Happy Hours, and early night game before clubs get crowded.
Alos, I make it a habit to approach 2 women per day, no matter what happens. So, you can say that I may have approached a total of about 700 women in 2010, of which, I banged 115.
DISCLAIMER: I may have left some women out as I do not remember all of the women I banged, but these are the ones I remember. My apologies to the ladies I may have forgotten to count; that does not mean it was not special.
Happy Hour anyone?
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12-01-2010, 03:47 PM
Mixx get here early..HH is good times.
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12-01-2010, 03:47 PM
0600-Noon: 8 bangs /* these were approaches made of girls jogging on the beach/park, walking their dog, heading to work, early morning coffee shops. */
How consistent were you during this time frame? Is this just not an optimal time to meet women or do you usually get up at 11ish?
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12-01-2010, 04:09 PM
Nice breakdown, Mixx. I'd love to see you post some detailed field reports.
I have a question for you man. Where you always a natural or did you start off as clueless and just figured it out for yourself?
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12-01-2010, 05:18 PM
Good breakdown Mixx. I wasn't quite sure if the stats represent an actual bang as an immediate result of an approach made during that time period or if it included bangs that resulted days later or even that evening.
I can't recall banging a girl immediately after meeting her during happy hour. However, it is easier to meet girls & people in general since I'm usually at happy hour with coworkers or friends, so there's good social proof to build on and helps opening other girls and even merging groups. Right after HH most people either want to bounce to a restaurant or go to a club but sometimes go home first to get ready. I guess this would be the time to make a move & go home with her?
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12-01-2010, 09:41 PM
That's like one new bang every 3 days. Insane!
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12-01-2010, 10:34 PM
You know it would be interesting to actually see a documentary of a pua broken down like this.
I would love to see a documentary where one guy is filmed for an entire year. Every single approach, pickup and bang documented.
A year in the life of a pickup artist.
I would actually pay to watch that.
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12-01-2010, 10:35 PM
How did you pull that off? Did you repeat bang any of them? If you start repeat banging you're getting laid more then anyone not in the NBA or in a major rock band
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12-01-2010, 11:48 PM
The hidden cameras in his bedroom will take care of that part
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12-02-2010, 03:02 AM
Jesus, 115 and youve still got a month to go. How in the hell is that feasible without living in a 3rd world country all year.
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12-02-2010, 03:43 AM
Uh, did I just read that right? Or are you missing a decimal point or something?
If this is true, that's being a real fucking legend. "A" list celebrities aren't going to be anywhere close!
I don't think "natural" is the right word. Maybe "8th Natural Wonder of the World"?