[Ben Akiba]

These three categories of western players will do well in Belgrade:

1. Players intent on approaching girls in public places during the day (streets, parks, cafes, public transport, beach)

Serbian girls during the day are very friendly, and acquaintances are easily struck. I can not overemphasize this point strongly enough! So by all means do approach them. The easiest targets are those that are sitting down and not going anywhere (yet).

The best place for this has to be Kalemegdan park where at all times of the day but especially during (early) weekend evenings there are swarms of girls in groups sitting on park benches and/or fortress walls, all there to socialize. Opening them can be as easy as asking if they speak English and whether they could recommend you the best [enter whatever local interest you may have]. Similar to what Roosh was doing in Romania asking about the best coffee shops, except here they are in all-female couples or groups, and are sitting down (important edge). And then take it from there. There are lots of upper teens and early 20s girls in this area, so the younger you are the greater 'at ease' mutual vibe it will be in terms of flowing conversation and having similar interests, but up to +10 years is totally fine.

2. Those men willing to sponsor girls financially or via gifting. Will write about that in another post.

3. Tall, dark, masculine men who are socially adept

There's also another great way to game Serbia, but more on that soon.

[Ben Akiba]

Kalemegdan fortress lizards spend hours parked on the ancient wall,
shooting shit and gazing into the distance,
all the while waiting to be approached by their prince,
or at least someone who will break their routine,
or perhaps a hymen.


"She's" 21, she's been in Belgrade since her childhood when she moved there with her parents refugees from Bosnia. She's currently a student without much money and resources in a country that doesn't provide many opportunities, nor offers any good social safety net. Right now she doesn't lack anything really, but neither she has anything in abundance. She is subliminally worried about her future, and wants to live a typical life her peers do. Romance sounds great.

[Ben Akiba]

One of the better places to be during the summer weekends is on the city's man-made river lake beach.

   
   
   

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Pretty, solid 8.
Born in Belgrade for sure.

   
   
   
   
   
   
   

[GameTheory]

^^^ those bikini beach girl pix are giving me a HUGE boner !!!

ohhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhh

[Brosemite]

If I resorted to wifing it up in the near future...man..it would be with one of these chicks...if I could successfully game them that is, haha.

[rudebwoy]

Those chicks on the rollerblades are giving me a huge boner!

[Alexander]

Now we have an accurate portrayal of Serb girls. Beats anything in E Europe I think.

These girls are frustrating though, they gain power from rejecting men.

Ten years ago foreigners had pulling power in Belgrade, now it almost works against you. They have become increasingly nationalistic due to war and bombings, and Serbian penis is still cream of the crop.

My advice in Belgrade......social circles......ignore....ignore....ignore......they are attention whores....make them think you're up to your eyes in pussy. If you guys fuck any Serb chicks, fuck them hard and make them realise they are filthy whores, will improve their shitty attitudes.

[Princeton]

(06-26-2013 05:35 PM)Alexander Wrote:  

Now we have an accurate portrayal of Serb girls. Beats anything in E Europe I think.

These girls are frustrating though, they gain power from rejecting men.

Ten years ago foreigners had pulling power in Belgrade, now it almost works against you. They have become increasingly nationalistic due to war and bombings, and Serbian penis is still cream of the crop.

My advice in Belgrade......social circles......ignore....ignore....ignore......they are attention whores....make them think you're up to your eyes in pussy. If you guys fuck any Serb chicks, fuck them hard and make them realise they are filthy whores, will improve their shitty attitudes.

I would say in Belgrade foreigner status is neither particularly helpful nor particularly hurtful. Outside of Belgrade, in the second tier cities, being foreign is more of a benefit. It's true the girls are not easy and they have bitch shields. However, like you said, treating them like shit is rewarded. Giving them orders and and a slight threat of physical violence will get them to soften. A Serbian friend of mine told a bitchy girl, "If you don't stop acting like that, I'm going to shove that drink down your throat." (And he meant it) They were making out soon after that.

Girls are pretty conservative and don't want to look slutty, be seen leaving a club with a stranger (although this is relaxing.) Believe it or not, it's easier to "disappear" with a girl for 30 minutes and get a BJ in the bathroom or bang in the car than to pull at the end of the night.

What makes Serbia (and I assume Croatia) different from other EE countries is that the male competition is stiff. Serbian guys tend to be tall, good looking and in shape. But they're also not very possessive of the women. There's a sort of "may the best man win" attitude and you'll be congratulated if you're successful. So, if you can hold your own among the guys, it's a great place.

Also, the breakdown of true Belgraders (whose numbers are dwindling) vs others is good. However there are also so called "fancy girls," who tend to be from outside Belgrade and the more "regular" girls. The difference is astounding. Looks wise it's not a huge difference although the "regular" girls wear less makeup. The "fancy" esp. "folk" or "Turbo folk" girls are much more entrenched in Eastern European mentality while the others are more enamored of Western Europe and act accordingly. The ones who have "lived in Italy" (the two countries have good relations) are totally corrupted and are the closest to feminist cunts you'll encounter.

I've found Serbian girls to be good in bed, and down for whatever. (Some freaky shit goes down in Belgrade...) I honestly think the war has something to do with wanting to be sexually degraded (anyone know about the psychology of this?) You just have to lead.

[Ben Akiba]

I second that distinction between 'eastern'' and 'western' girls.

I think the Serb women were traditionally raised in patriarchal society, and things were not always easy for their mothers and fathers, or even themselves. So the expectation from early age is to tough it out. So they are tough, and that's why they expect you to be even tougher.

Two golden points:

1. It is always a man who pursues a woman.

2. Handling her firmly is expected. But that is not to say that you can't let her indulge in some stupid chat, or silly pursuits that otherwise don't threaten your relationship. Belgrade girls love to be treated firmly when it comes to important things, but also as babies when it comes to unimportant things. That's the key. You can't act like a possessive jailor 24/7 because that's your idea of what real man should be like. You have to be cool, stand back, let her indulge in whatever stupid little things she finds amusing even if you don't find them amusing. Treat her like child who needs space to wander, and guidance and discipline when she steps out of line. They love that. Even be OK if she acts all friendly with other men in your presence (and they often do). That signals to her that you are a man who is very secure in his own skin. In her mind that's what masculinity is all about. And that is the biggest turn on for her.

That's why most Belgrade-born men are not uptight toward other men, and are generally relaxed in presence of other men near their women. Many westerners mistake that for having no game. But actually that's the biggest game there is.

[Ben Akiba]

All Belgrade girls swoon over the Turkish actor Burak Özçivit who stars in one popular Turkish soap opera broadcasted on local TV.

He is a perfect example of the ideal type of man that most of them dream about.







Given chance 95% of Belgrade girls will go for that type of guy as opposed to a conventionally good looking, but 'softer', metrosexual someone like David Beckham or Ryan Seacrest.

[Greek kamaki]

When talking about Balkan girls one should remember they are a category on their own.Serbian Croatian girls can only be compared to Romanian,Bulgarian,Greek girls otherwise we make injustice to the others
Especially Serbs are the result of one of the most successful gene mix ever(White Sorbs Slavs with native Macedonian illyrian folks famous for their height and appearance from antiquity).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Serbia

[Kristian]

picking up serbian women:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZX_9rBBYhc

[Samseau]

(06-27-2013 11:32 AM)Kristian Wrote:  

picking up serbian women:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZX_9rBBYhc

That vid is legit and that guy has skill. James Marshall will remember that name.

[Ben Akiba]

There's a certain belief among international travelers that Belgrade girls will not sleep for money even though the country is poor. Many travelers find that frustrating because it doesn't rhyme with their expectations how distressed women should be.

While technically true, it's also a very misleading belief that Belgrade girls don't sleep for incentives, one that could cost you potential bangs. So let me address that issue right here:

Putting something in perspective first,

the Serbs are actually equal to Americans in that average people of both countries are cash poor. In the U.S. average savings rate is just about $0 which means that most Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. The only difference is that most Americans have benefit of being in the economy that affords them to partake in jobs however poorly paid, and that they have access to easy credits that unable them to enjoy plazma TV's, cars and Vegas vacations.

The Serbs have access to all these goods, but lack the supporting economy (jobs and credits to obtain them) and they lack it because of geopolitical consequences brought on by 50 years of communism, followed with 10 years of wars, and 20 years of politics that refused to sell the country to the highest bidder (which is not to say that that isn't slowly happening now, part by part.) My understanding is that Serbia is very rich in natural resources (they could feed "half of Europe" with the food produced just in their norther part alone) and despite the lack of strong economy, the things are still decent to good because of the historical ingenuity of its populace, cash from diaspora, and murky investments floating around.

So despite being a country that has a rap of being "poor", that poorness is relative, and just about non-factor. One look at the central Belgrade cafe society and/or its nightlife will convince you that Belgrade citizens lead better and much more fabulous lives than any Americans How's that for a paradox? That is one of the reasons the Belgrade girls will not do straight p4p. They don't need that because in most cases all their needs are already met. But they will all be your part-time girlfriends if you have a source of solid income and are willing to lavish parts of that income on them. They want that because they aspire to a more fab life. So it's a case of needs vs. wants. Unless they are new in town or just starting out (young) most Belgrade girls don't have pure needs, but all have big wants. Especially in the attention whoring economy. In fact, a certain portion of Belgrade girls are so stupid that they aspire to marry only billionaires (with a capital B because at least a couple of local social scene girls did indeed marry foreign billionaires (one Russian oligarch, one Kuwaiti sheikh) so now all the prettiest girls want to get that for themselves. But they don't want to sober up to the reality on the ground where, at least locally, there are 100s of pretty girls to every one financially successful guy. To them, what matters is participating in the competition anyway (of who will snag a bigger provider called "sponsor" in local lingo.) Which guy will give them the most fabulous lifestyle, while their girlfriends are left with losers. It's actually a very sick and primitively superficial behavior. That's why these sponsorable bitches invest so heavily in their appearance, and in their social image. And that's why you should feel no remorse if you can manage to fuck them over on the sly (the sponsor girls, not the regular girls.)

There's a place in Belgrade called Silicone Valley, which is one street filled with bunch of little bars, cafes, restaurants, and where all the girls who are looking for sponsors go. It's not even close how crazy it used to be, the social elite used to hang out there, with all the hottest stunners vying for the attention of all the athletes, musicians, and businessmen who used to frequent it. But with all that global economic crisis talk, ha, ha, the scene is somewhat whimpering out now. To be sure, it's still there, but now there's more variety of girls and less real sponsors. Which is good news if you want to play that angle. But just be aware that in the mind of a typical Silicone Valley status seeker her normal targets are professional soccer players, so yes she's coming down, way down* by talking to you (*sarcasm). At least you should have a courtesy to dress really well and flash the latest smart phone (nothing under 500 euros) and expensive fashionable watch so that she doesn't embarrass herself in front of her peers by being in your presence. But frankly, the Silicone Valley isn't worth it. If you want to try variety of girls who are looking for sponsors head over to Obilicev Venac first. That's where you will encounter more variety and bigger numbers in smaller outdoor space.

I realize that this forum is anti p4p, but this is not about p4p but how to swindle the stupid girls who are seeking sponsors. I'm going through the trouble of writing this much in order to inform you that you can play the sponsor angle (should that be your cup of coffee) in a similar way you would when doing Seeking Arrangement game in the U.S.. So this is not the Greek Kamaki's default game (where you actually gift girls), but empty promise game (by promising something to the girls that you have no intention of following through.) It's pure smash and leave play. Just like the Pink Panthers in that Dubai video.

So what else do you need to know?

1. There are many levels of girls who are seeking sponsors including 8s and 9s and 10s and even the famous Belgrade 11s™ (actually 9s, 10s, and 11s are normally looking for power- husbands, but good luck to them.) So it's your choice to make, but know that the higher the number the bigger the crap from all sides is. Normally I'd tell you to never go for anyone under 8. Why would you ever be tempted in sponsoring girls who you can pick up regularly. Unless you are maybe 50 and over. But because this is a fantasy play for sucker girls, go ahead and play the 7s too. The lower she is on hierarchy of looks, the easier may be to swindle her.

2. Big age differences are very acceptable. If you are in your 40s you can easily and without judgement be cavorting in public with girls in their early 20s. Your age may even lend credence to your image of a successful man. So not to worry, the girls will seek you out, and once you are together everyone will know what's up anyway because she will peacock heavily.

3. Under no circumstances should you ever tell them that you are a short-term visitor. Your success rests on that because the whole point why she is seeking sponsor is so she can count on your income on a regular basis. She is not interested in one offs because she gets diseases and will scar her uterus by sleeping with too many men. Being a prostitute is also degrading to her. But being a successful sponsored girl is actually a status symbol. When you sponsor her she feels like a winner. Even when selling herself indirectly the local girl always looks out for herself. So invent the story, you are a director of some foreign company transferred on a long-term assignment (best to say you work for Gazprom, it's well known and big.)

So who and what exactly are these sponsor-able girls anyway?

These are girls from various social strata who are looking for a man who will better their lives through some form of financial/material help over a regular period of time. In return, the girls will offer their hot, young bodies and company. Again, there's a variety of girls to fit every budget. From 10s for truly wealthy, to 6s and 7s for older guys with a basic job. And everything in between.

So how does that work?

It's very basic. Once you meet a girl who is willing to be sponsored all is left is for you to to agree to actual terms. For one low-level example, there's a girl (7 on 1-10 scale) who is 19-years-old student. She is new in town from the provinces, and has no job, only expenses. Even if she has part-time job it pays little and she needs more money. Her monthly apartment rent is 200 euros. One deal is for you to offer to pay her monthly rent in exchange for two weekly sex sessions (either in your apartment, hers, or a third place). That is to say, under the terms of this deal that you both agreed, you can only fuck her twice per week in exchange for her rent being paid by you (and you don't have to give her a cash, if you are a micro-manager type you can literally pay the bill for her.) For you it's like having a reliable hottie cum dumpster twice a week for about 25 euros per session (and if it will make you feel better, you are not giving money to whore for sex, you are helping a young student meet her responsible adult obligations, lol.) For her it's reliable and fun/easy way of meeting her financial obligations on regular basis. It's a service arrangement between the two of you. Remember, this is just a blueprint of this dynamic.

She can have other sponsors on the side (and so can you girls), but still has to sex you twice a week (usually on prearranged days or hours) She is also free to meet up with you in your mutual spare times, and accompany you in public life (restaurants, cinema, etc.) but all the costs are to be born by you (you pay for drinks, food, cinema tickets, etc.) You are also free to up your offer beyond the initial terms. Let's say you wanted to take her with you on a vacation, on an all-expense paid trip somewhere. The usual understanding of this matter is that she will be just like your 'wife' for the duration of this vacation, which means she has duty to spread her legs for you as many times as you want, whenever it pleases you, during that vacation.

This is just a crude example, as the deal and terms can be setup anyway you two want. The sky is the limit when agreement is between two consenting adults who both want something from one another. Details depend on her wishes and aspirations, your budget and expectations, and each other's negotiating skills. Again, this is just an example of how things are done and what to have in mind when setting up a possible fake deal. This is not to be followed to actual fruition in real life.

So how do you find girls who are willing to be sponsored

Like everywhere else in sex countries, you go to places that they go to, you park yourself and you start eye fishing. Once you start getting eyefucks and smiles from across, it's a clean green signal for you to approach their table and become part of their company. From then on game as usual, with the provision to shortcut down to business as soon as you feel comfy enough.

So how can you fake this?

First you have to be believable that you are staying for business long-term. And the rest is you trying to convince her to take her for a 'test ride'. Don't think it's too hard. Some of these girls, especially younger ones, can be a bit naive when dealing with foreigners. There is some belief among Belgrade poosey that all Americans are stupid, and all foreigners trustworthy lol.

Bang and leave:

Monday night.

You: I want to make sure that we will be compatible sexually. How about we have a couple of sessions this week before I make my final decision.

Her: Um, I don't do that way. But I make exception for you.

You: How about tomorrow evening and Thursday evening, say around 8pm at my place?

Her: Ok, I will come there.

Tomorrow: Bang.

Thursday: Bang.

...

Her: (Sunday afternoon) dialing your number...

Your phone message: I'm sorry, but the customer you are trying to reach is not available.

You in actuality, on the Friday morning flight out of the country, logged into Roosh V forum, giving Ben Akiba virtual high fives.

That said, this is only as last resort, or as a way to snag a higher number (8+) because Belgrade girls are already very friendly to foreigners, and while not obviously easy as in some other countries, they are just about as slutty if you scratch below the surface.

[Greek kamaki]

The crucial question iso you need social circle awareness and local contacts to get in touch with these girls like it is the case in Poland or can you play ball directly with free lancers as is the case in Ukraine? (where everything is organized in front of you).

[Ben Akiba]

(07-29-2013 02:21 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The crucial question iso you need social circle awareness and local contacts to get in touch with these girls like it is the case in Poland or can you play ball directly with free lancers as is the case in Ukraine? (where everything is organized in front of you).

I'm repeating myself, yes you can play directly. Even if you are by yourself just go to places that are well-known as their congregation spots, and look busy being foreigner with money. Dress expensive, drink expensive, fiddle with the latest 700 EU smartphone, and keep checking your flashy watch. Eventually the girls who are looking for sponsors will eye you, smile at you, or move next to you. This scene is especially easy in the winter when everyone runs out of cash, and there are not even short-term foreigners around to dabble in. In the winter the 8s will fight over you just for a chance to get to know you, lol.

It's a shame that you haven't been to Belgrade yet GK. With your type of game and understanding of how things work around these parts you would do some major quality damage. The quality is bar none, the tourist infrastructure is in place (strategically located sex apartments are numerous and can be even rented per hour) and there's something for everyone and for much le$$ general expenses than in other places. The value here is the best. For what you spend in Kiev in one night you can do 3-5 nights here. In Kiev men are paying 100 euros per night for the centrally located apartment, in Belgrade they can have the equivalent for 35-50. And fancy drinks are up to 5 euros, with regular drinks only around 2.5 euros. And higher level women are better! And are obtainable. I see foreigners with local women (usually 7s) all the time and they all look like couples. And I see younger good looking Western dudes partying in nightlife with young Belgrade 8s all the time. Whoever said that Belgrade is difficult didn't know what they were doing, or was here only for a weekend, or went to wrong places and did wrong things at wrong times.

It really makes no sense that some men still choose further out/tired/expensive FSU destinations, when there's clearly a better value to be had in Belgrade or vicinity. I did a lot thinking about why this is and the only reason I see is because the FSU women have reputation of sleeping for p4p money so travelers think they will at least get something one way or another if they go there short-term. But they can get that in Belgrade too, lol. The only question is why should they when enough of Belgrade girls will make out with you for free.

How it works in Belgrade:

9s,10s, and 11s are normally looking for rich/famous/status husbands. You may get near these if you have in via their circle, but it's a waste of time unless you have a high status in your country. That said, plenty of 9s and 10s will dabble in high sponsor$hip route once they admit to themselves that there's more competition (good looking girls) than the targets (status husbands.) They have to capitalize on their looks somehow. They feel entitled as if its their duty to have what they think are fabulous lives just because they are hot.

Some 8s are untouchable/reserved. However, plenty of 8s will sleep for sponsorship, and plenty of young/naive 8s will sleep with good looking/cool young foreigners for free, either as a random sex thing, or as a gateway to romantic relationship. You meet these girls at happening nightlife places.

7s are available for sponsorship or for romance. Your agenda/looks/skills determine the outcome.

6s are looking for LTRs, unless you surprise them by paying for it. Which some foreigners do.

[Lika]

(07-31-2013 05:44 AM)Ben Akiba Wrote:  

plenty of young/naive 8s will sleep with good looking/cool young foreigners for free, either as a random sex thing, or as a gateway to romantic relationship. You meet these girls at happening nightlife places.
7s are available for sponsorship or for romance. Your agenda/looks/skills determine the outcome.

I won't contradict what you say on Belgrade because I haven't been there. I want to go there in September but I think I won't go there without wing. That's also kind of the conclusion of omsy here:

"Place is extremely tough solo dude. I been here for nearly two weeks solo, very tough and can get lonely at times. I hear bohemian hostel is nice though "
http://blockedurl.com/forum/showthread.p...019&page=2


It also reminds me of a post I read somewhere a few years ago. I think it comes from International Sex guide:

"Get out of here! ASAP!

Let me be frank.

Just forget Serbia, as well as Bosnia and Croatia.

You will never get any girl from there, if you are aiming above 3 in grade out of 10 (and I guess most of us aim for at least 7 or 8).

I have lived there, studied there, know the language, been there almost ten times now, know their songs, their culture, their politics, whatever, and also have some kind of network there.

But, their women – just forget it.

Their culture, their society, will not allow it.

What we will be offered, if not living there for like 20 years, and really play their slooow game, is "kaka", that is shit.

So, no need to read any more threads about the former republics of Yugoslavia. Just get your bag and leave! If you are there hunting women, so to speak.

I lived in Kiev earlier. And at least in Ukraine – if you have money – you will play with top beauties. Their price setting can be discussed, but that's another story. In Yugo they don't care about your money.

Quite an essential point.

In case you have a girlfriend. Take her to the Croatian coast, and enjoy the beautiful beaches and the sun.

If you are stubborn, and think your Brad Pitt-look will give you some advantages, not to mention the economic superiority we enjoy, read this carefully:

If you want any kind of girl, you have to seriously build networks of friends, and hope that they in turn will know some hotties. This process can take from 5-6 months to 2 years. If you have this patience, maybe you will be lucky, but first you need to be accepted by the society. Of course you need to know their language, even though there is a risk they will be even more suspicious of your foreign ass – since "who the heck is studying Serbian or Bosnian or Croatian" – and the Chinese Wall between you and the girls will get even higher, but I still consider that as a must, in the perspective to get local friends.

Finally, the night clubs in these countries doesn't work as in Western Europe. Girls basically, in 99 percent of the cases, only speak to people they already are acquainted to, not to strangers. They don't want to ruin their reputation. And most of them will frankly say no if offering a drink.

People have to be aware that Serbs, Bosnians, and Croats are very very proud."

[uni]

Belgrade girls

[jimukr104]

Nice pics! I never been there but I am confused. People keep saying that these guys are huge muscular tall gods but it seems like the average guy is a slim guy and a bunch of chubs thrown in.
Loos more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPg5LjGYz8

than Arnold.

[Chrysalis]

Serbian women react to Game very well.

Once a secretary in a firm my firm was IT servicing asked whether my two colleagues could do anything without me. I answered that they do the actual work, I'm only there to look good. Cue a squeal of delight.

I did a routine of "do you have a phone" (oh, he 's beta) "No" "Wow... do you have electricity?" Squeal! This was an awkward virgin girl.

And, of course beta baiting "do you have a girlfriend" "I can fit in another if it comes down to it" Squeeal... This was a professional reporter, so bitch shield set to over 9000.

If these examples weren't clear, this means a way bigger reaction to any successfully deployed Game than anyone would expect.
Bear in mind that these lines do not translate to Serbian well and that I made a ton of Game mistakes, still do. There is no Game in Serbia, so any Game is a great advantage here.

Damnit, I wish I was back there. China seema like a reservoir of pussy in a bunker, whle Serbia was a hunting ground.

[Chrysalis]

(08-05-2013 07:53 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Nice pics! I never been there but I am confused. People keep saying that these guys are huge muscular tall gods but it seems like the average guy is a slim guy and a bunch of chubs thrown in.
Loos more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPg5LjGYz8

than Arnold.

Yep, this amazes me too. I am Serbian and I cannot figure this "Serbian God" myth for the life of me. I was born skinny, I put on some muscle (nothing over the top, anyone can get to my level after six months of natural training - 16 in arms, benching my bodyweight for reps) and this puts me in the top 5% looks wise here. EDIT: Almost every Serbian has been to the gym, and almost nobody does anything useful there. I haven't ye met a man who downsized his gut. Yes, this includes myself. I'm glad I was born skinny.

Serbian faces can look good, but mostly they combine into a dull peasant look, so on average I'd say it's a disadvantage.

The only thing I'd say Serbs have as a distinct advantage in is height, and even that is maybe an inch over the average in the West. I'd say the median here is 5'10. I'm 6' and no one ever described me as tall.