[speakeasy]

Porn is now being scapegoated as the reason for sexual "assaults", whatever that even means these days.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/..._hagel.php

[EisenBarde]

Without any outlet for pressure release, it would be a reasonable expectation that rape cases would skyrocket if such a ban were enacted.

[Excelsior]

Fixed link here.

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The group suggests there's a link between horny guys and sexual assaults.

It also wants the entire military to ban porn at exchanges and even to "prohibit access to pornography by electronic devices on military bases worldwide."

There's no real good argument for this, especially if you are familiar with the literature on the topic.

Like this:

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Overall, rape cases are down nationwide. A recent study released by Clemson University suggests that the decreased number of rape incidents may be due in part to the prevalence of online pornography. According to the New York Daily News, Todd Kendall, professor of economics at Clemson, published a paper that found that "the arrival of the internet was associated with a reduction in rape incidence."

Kendall's study is quick to point out that an "association" is not the same as a "causal relationship," but that data for other criminal behavior remained unaffected by the relative increase in internet usage over the study's time parameters. The Daily News goes on to cite Bob Dyer on Ohio.com that rape incidents have been reduced by approximately 30% in the past 15 years while access to internet pornography has become more readily available with the lowering of prices on personal computers, being able to access the internet from portable mobile devices, and the prevalence of internet accessible devices in general.

Dyer attributes the decrease in rape incidents with the availability and prevalence of online pornography.

Or this:

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Does pornography breed rape? Do violent movies breed violent crime? Quite the opposite, it seems.

First, porn. What happens when more people view more of it? The rise of the Internet offers a gigantic natural experiment. Better yet, because Internet usage caught on at different times in different states, it offers 50 natural experiments.

The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth.

Or this:

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Anthony D'Amato, a Professor at Northwestern University's Law School, wrote in an essay titled Porn up, rape down (6-page PDF/28.3KB):

(T)here were 2.7 rapes for every 1,000 people in 1980; by 2004, the same survey found the rate had decreased to 0.4 per 1,000 people, a decline of 85 per cent."

Now yes, it is absolutely true that correlation and causation are not the same thing. But at first glance we'd have a hard time claiming that the greater availability of porn led to more rapes: simply because there are fewer rapes reported while there's definitely more porn.

Following the effects of a new law in the Czech Republic that allowed pornography to a society previously forbidden to access it allowed us to monitor the change in sex related crime that followed the change.

As found in all other countries in which the phenomenon has been studied, rape and other sex crimes did not increase.

Of particular note is that this country, like Denmark and Japan, had a prolonged interval during which possession of child pornography was not illegal and, like those other countries, showed a significant decrease in the incidence of child sex abuse.

The proliferation of porn has been associated with decreasing rates of sexual violence in nearly every study that has touched on the topic. By promoting the elimination of pornography, these people may very well be increasing the probability of sexual violence.

This is the danger of ignorance and puritanism. People simply accept the notion that "more porn = more violence" because it seems intuitive on its face and its fits in with puritan/calvinist American logic. If they took the time to do the research and read the literature on the topic then ideas like these would be dead in the water, as they should be.

I expect this ban to go through if only because of this ignorance. The military is in a bad political state right now and it understands that most people will think better of it for banning porn since most people do not understand that more porn =/= more sexual violence.

[speakeasy]

Athlone you did your homework on this topic. Given all the ballyhoo about "rape culture" who'd have even thought that rapes have declined dramatically. Although feminists will likely assert that it's only the reports of rapes that has fallen and not actual incidents.

[A War You Cannot Win]

If porn gets banned in the military, expect a second civil war.

[soup]

Ha.. these feminists really are total idiots.

[2Wycked]

Andrea Dworkin was a huge pusher of porn = increased rape rates.

Of course, she just couldn't come to terms with male sexuality or her own.

[Capitán Peligroso]

The universal availability of porn these days has turned a lot of men and boys into dickless schlubs who would rather sit at home and jerk off than go out and hit on women. It's probable that's part of why banning porn in the military wouldn't achieve the stated objective. Taking away that particular sexual outlet for men in the military will lead to more sexual frustration, and, quite probably in a few instances, sexual assault.

[Jaydublin]

Without porn more men will be our desperately chasing women.... giving them all the attention they "deserve"

[Timoteo]

It's funny...some prisons did the same thing, as well as removing weights. I'm sure dudes still get punked out in there, even minus the porn and bigger muscles. It's certain environments that lead to sexual assaults - namely environments that are either all, or predominantly male. They are pressure-filled, aggressive environments. I would think removing girly mags would make things even worse, just based on common sense. If the presence of porn somehow leads to assaults, what will the excuse be when the assaults continue after you take it away?

[speakeasy]

(06-17-2013 01:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

If the presence of porn somehow leads to assaults, what will the excuse be when the assaults continue after you take it away?

Patriarchy and rape culture, of course.

[Grit]

(06-17-2013 01:01 PM)Capitán Peligroso Wrote:  

The universal availability of porn these days has turned a lot of men and boys into dickless schlubs who would rather sit at home and jerk off than go out and hit on women. It's probable that's part of why banning porn in the military wouldn't achieve the stated objective. Taking away that particular sexual outlet for men in the military will lead to more sexual frustration, and, quite probably in a few instances, sexual assault.

Quit absolving women of bad choices. Men are dickless schlubs because women are ball-busting testosterone-driven feminist-empowered harpies. Or just fat.

You can not know if porn is the symptom or the disease. The only way to cure both is to socially empower dickless men, lock down the empowered women, and lose weight overall.

[Pacesetter20]

I'm confused by this.

If I am not mistaken, pornography is already "illegal" in deployed areas or other such places operating under General Order #1.

Though, from what I read in the article, it sounds more like banning this at Military PXs, which is really stupid considering someone could then just drive down the street to the nearest 7-11 or whatever and get the same thing.

They can get away with Gen. Order #1 (no booze, porn, co-habitation, etc.) in a war zone, if they were stupid enough to try to extend that to Garrison, you might well have a revolution on your hands or at least a huge drop in re-enlistments.

[le prince perdu]

who's dumb enough to believe that taking porn from horny soldiers is a good idea?

This is bullshit, It's not going to happen

[JimNortonFan]

I've read that the mermaid legend comes from seeing manatees. If a manatee can be seen as attractive then guys who are deprived enough can be forced into serving uglier fatter women.

[TheBlackNarwhal]

Good luck with that porn ban. It was the only thing entertaining my dad while he was in the shit-hole of Somalia.

[Acute Angle]

(06-17-2013 03:52 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

I've read that the mermaid legend comes from seeing manatees. If a manatee can be seen as attractive then guys who are deprived enough can be forced into serving uglier fatter women.

Manatee porn. Been looking for a passive income stream.