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Any Fiction Readers On Here Care to Check Out My Book?
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Quote: (06-17-2013 09:06 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

Beyond Borders:
I have nothing but respect for people who undertake creative work like writing novels. Apart from anything else it must take a huge amount of guts to publish your first work of fiction. I'll send you a PM, but I am also interested in reading it when it comes out. Maybe a bit more about the genre and a bit of a synopsis would help people decide.

I hear ya, Bro, and I would post just post the link and description here, but I'm not quite sure I want to associate my pen-name with this forum. Not this one.

I've got quite a few PMs from people who want to check it out regardless, and this certainly isn't the only place I was going to find reviewers, so I wasn't too concerned.

Will send you a PM though - thanks.

I've been sending synopsis and a book cover to those who PMed. Review got delayed a bit because I made a change to the document before it went live, so still waiting.

Cheers!

Quote: (06-17-2013 09:10 AM)anamericaninbangkok Wrote:  

If you send me the first chapter BB, I'll give it a look. If it's good, I'll keep reading. But I'll be honest.

As far s the marketing - send me a PM with the chapter and I'll give you some pointers on how to market yourself and your book.

Will do - thanks, Man.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Just an update on this - the book keeps getting sent back to "draft" due to the pen name. Trying to sort it out now.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Up and running now. Sent emails out to those of you who are interested, but it'll be a day or two before I start the free giveaway.

On another note, I'm tossing up a short story to use as a lead-in to the book too. Seems to be a strategy that's working for some.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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My buddy just published a couple of books on Amazon. I'm planning to write a shit ton of short stories (in the process of this now, kind of), that all add together to earn enough for me to support myself. When I've done this, I want to get to writing some full lengths, and maybe compiling some anthologies or whatever. Have you got a marketing plan, or is this just something you've been sitting on and finally made the decision to do?
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Quote: (06-18-2013 12:32 PM)Architekt Wrote:  

My buddy just published a couple of books on Amazon. I'm planning to write a shit ton of short stories (in the process of this now, kind of), that all add together to earn enough for me to support myself. When I've done this, I want to get to writing some full lengths, and maybe compiling some anthologies or whatever. Have you got a marketing plan, or is this just something you've been sitting on and finally made the decision to do?

With this one, it has been sitting there for a while and it was time to just get it up there so I could move on to the next.

My overall plan is to write 30 or more short stories, with carefully selected genres, and see which ones do the best. Those concepts can be expanded on, used as inspiration for full-length novels, or leveraged as lead-ins to get eyeballs on my other stories and books.

The most successful novels and novellas will be turned into series when possible, with specific pricing strategies to create continuity.

Obviously, this is all pretty internal. I have some external marketing channels I'm exploring as well.

Would love to hear about your ideas.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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My book will be available for free download at 12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, June 21, and ending at 1:59 PM Pacific Standard Time on June 22.

I've also uploaded two short stories now - starting to get the ball rolling!

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Quote: (06-18-2013 12:59 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

With this one, it has been sitting there for a while and it was time to just get it up there so I could move on to the next.

My overall plan is to write 30 or more short stories, with carefully selected genres, and see which ones do the best. Those concepts can be expanded on, used as inspiration for full-length novels, or leveraged as lead-ins to get eyeballs on my other stories and books.

The most successful novels and novellas will be turned into series when possible, with specific pricing strategies to create continuity.

Obviously, this is all pretty internal. I have some external marketing channels I'm exploring as well.

Would love to hear about your ideas.

This is basically what I was planning on doing. Lately I've been really enjoying the collections of essays by writers like Orwell, Hunter S. Thompson, and Huxley. It's great to be able to sit down for 10-20 minutes and have the idea of the story delivered to you, rather than having to either sit and read for hours on end, or wait until you're almost through the book before the intended message starts to become clear. Some things, however, can't be justly represented in the short form, which is where the ideas of the short stories come together, over the course of a book to form one overarching idea, with the support being found within the short stories.

Controversy is always going to be part of my writing - anyone with a red pill view of the world will have this bestowed upon them. Personally, I think this is a good thing, as people will talk about it more. As we all know, any publicity is good publicity - especially when you're anonymous under your pen name.
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Quote: (06-16-2013 06:07 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Quote: (06-16-2013 06:00 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Here is another critical look at self-publishing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/may...r-earnings

I don't want to discourage anyone. I just find it interesting digging deep into these subjects.

Thanks for the links, and I'm sure they'll be interesting to anyone just now considering something like this.

As for me, I'm far more worried about focusing on what does work than what doesn't.

In my life I've found I learn much faster by failing than by waiting.
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Quote: (06-20-2013 02:53 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

My book will be available for free download at 12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, June 21, and ending at 1:59 PM Pacific Standard Time on June 22.

I've also uploaded two short stories now - starting to get the ball rolling!

arg... limited availability marketing tactic...just being honest-- reminds me of PUA marketing guys and diminishes my interest in an item.

You probably know more about mareting than I do, I'm terrible at biz.

For a real paranoid like me, making it a by-request thing seems less manipulative-- saying
"send a request" seems like a reasonable requirement to get something free.
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Quote: (06-20-2013 03:26 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

In my life I've found I learn much faster by failing than by waiting.

Well said!

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Quote: (06-20-2013 03:27 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (06-20-2013 02:53 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

arg... limited availability marketing tactic...just being honest-- reminds me of PUA marketing guys and diminishes my interest in an item.

You probably know more about mareting than I do, I'm terrible at biz.

For a real paranoid like me, making it a by-request thing seems less manipulative-- saying
"send a request" seems like a reasonable requirement to get something free.

lol Actually, that's not what it is at all.

I can see how it would be perceived that way though.

KDP select gives you 5 days to give your book away free over a 90-day period. I'm splitting them up so I can get more coverage out of them. Was just letting people who were interested know when they were available - I hardly think anyone here is jumping at the bit to download my book, so using scarcity tactics to "market" to the forum would hardly do me any favors.

Scarcity only works when your product fills a need. A fictional novel by an unknown author really doesn't.

My intentions here are purely innocent - just keeping people updated on my progress. And if a few guys jump use the free download to leave me an honest review, that'd be awesome. But you guys aren't my market, and I'm not here to sell.

That said, if posting about my progress here is coming across as too self-serving, I'll gladly stop.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Quote: (06-20-2013 03:30 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Quote: (06-20-2013 03:27 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (06-20-2013 02:53 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

arg... limited availability marketing tactic...just being honest-- reminds me of PUA marketing guys and diminishes my interest in an item.

You probably know more about mareting than I do, I'm terrible at biz.

For a real paranoid like me, making it a by-request thing seems less manipulative-- saying
"send a request" seems like a reasonable requirement to get something free.

lol Actually, that's not what it is at all.

I can see how it would be perceived that way though.

......

That said, if posting about my progress here is coming across as too self-serving, I'll gladly stop.

No, not at all, I respect people trying to bootstrap with a real product they've created.

I'm also a creative, I'm putting out a vinyl album in a couple months.

But I can't market it on RVF because I have a very square profession and can't be associated with people who want to enjoy life hahhah[Image: banana.gif][Image: banana.gif]
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Quote: (06-20-2013 03:48 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

But I can't market it on RVF because I have a very square profession and can't be associated with people who want to enjoy life hahhah[Image: banana.gif][Image: banana.gif]

Ain't that a bitch? LOL

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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I just bought it and am looking forward to reading this on my new Paperwhite. Your rank was #117,000, which is good. What kind of jump does a sale give you? It may be too early to tell. My books languish anywhere between 500,000 and 800,000 but as soon as there's a sale they jump way up. I do have a few questions for the thread.

How are you promoting it? Are you going to advertise it anywhere?

What did you write the book in (Apple? Microsoft?) and how did you format it for Amazon? The two books I have on there were done on a Mac in Pages and I did my own formatting and covers. Definitely took a ton of trial and error to make it look right but I finally figured out a way that worked for me and they both look good on different devices. What's cool with Amazon is that if you see an error you can edit it, upload it again and usually in about 6 or 8 hours it's live in the store.

I have another book that'll be ready soon (keep saying that, haha) and I heard the formatting is easier now. Are you going to get this on Barnes and Noble for the Nook? My KDP Select (which I didn't use at all) 90 day exclusivity is way over now and I've been meaning to upload it to their store, seems pretty similar to Amazon, a little bit less of a royalty though. I've also looked at Apple but you need a bona fide ISBN number which I think you can get for $100 or so.

Your book looks good, I like the cover and I like the pseudonym, I should get into it soon and definitely have some feedback for you. Again, good job, it's not easy writing fiction at all!
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Quote: (06-20-2013 04:24 PM)painter Wrote:  

I just bought it and am looking forward to reading this on my new Paperwhite.

Hey Man - Thanks! You didn't have to purchase, but of course, I appreciate the support. Hope you enjoy it.

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Your rank was #117,000, which is good. What kind of jump does a sale give you? It may be too early to tell. My books languish anywhere between 500,000 and 800,000 but as soon as there's a sale they jump way up. I do have a few questions for the thread.

Is it? LOL To be honest, I still don't know a ton about rank and what's good and what isn't. I plan to study it further, but I haven't gone there yet. I'm also still struggling to see how to best monitor everything.

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How are you promoting it? Are you going to advertise it anywhere?

I'm not promoting it much at all right now besides blabbing to friends and family on social media so I can get some reviews. And I'm being very non-salesy about that - more like, hey, I got this up if you want to check it out. The more reviews you get, the more likely people will buy, which drives up rankings, so that's my initial focus.

Unless I get a strong response from the people who do read it, I probably won't do much promotion.

My feeling about books is this - keeping in mind that I don't have any clue what I'm talking about... [Image: angel.gif]

Either a book has potential or it doesn't. Yeah, redrafting can take a manuscript a long way, but at the end of the day, a shit story is a shit story. And often it may not even be a shit story but rather it just doesn't grab people or generate widespread interest - in the end, only the market can decide if it's marketable.

And self-publishing, in my limited understanding, seems like a way to get the market's opinion before you put a ton of effort into it.

I'd be the first to admit, for instance, that my book could probably use a decent amount of further redrafting. If people are responding well to it, then okay, I'll pull it out and rework it ASAP - without taking away from the story too much. And after that, once I've seen people are willing to buy, then I might start looking at more external promotions.

I also feel that as Amazon exists now, if it encounters high-quality stuff, their system will cover a good deal of the marketing for you - and they've got far more reach and clout than I'll ever have. So the best thing I can do is keep trying to give Amazon what it wants. Just the sense I get from what I'm reading out there.

Of course, once you gain some readers, you can take them away from the platform a bit more and will wield a bit more power to promote your stuff on your own, but starting out, I honestly think you can gain a lot more ground by putting your head down and churning out more books than you can promoting the hell out of a dud and trying to force it to do well.

A lot of the guys who are killing it seem to be hitting a critical mass when they get more stuff out too. Many report seeing hardly any cash beyond a few hundred bucks over half a year to a year, and then somewhere around the 5th or 6th book, they hit a tipping point and start seeing that it's working. And once that happens, the ball really gets rolling.

A lot of this also depends on successful cross-promotion, which is definitely something I'll be working on.

Also more important for a guy at my stage is niche selection. Learning to research ahead of time and write a book that serves an existing marketing on Amazon. Since my first novel and short stories were pretty much already written, this wasn't something I could leverage, but I definitely plan to make it a main focus for future work.

So, right now, I don't plan to advertise or promote much. I may submit my book to some online review sites and keep trying to get feedback on there to make it credible enough to be picked up, but other than that, I'm going to get started writing another book and more short stories

I've already published two short stories since my novel went live. Both link to my novel at the end - would be nice to have another 10 doing the same.

To be clear, I have a ton more to learn about this. I only really started looking into it about a week and half ago. I've got a stack of solid links saved in my bookmarks with some good advice though, and this will be my reading material for now on. If a promotional technique comes across as especially viable, I'll certainly consider giving it a go.

I also like the suggestions by cardguy up above about finding a way to "manipulate" the media. If you had a book you were confident about, I do think that finding a creative way to spark a viral buzz about it could really be a golden ticket. I'll read that book he mentioned and keep working on my writing for now.

One more thing, I've noticed is a common idea among successful self-pubbers is that books don't have to be an end but can be a means. What I mean is that books have always been seen as this big thing that had to be perfect, and blowing it up so big is what held most people back from ever producing one.

But with the market as it exists now (I don't think it'll be the case forever), each one can be a means of growing your skill and getting better. Pop up a book and see how it does rather than tweaking it for perfection forever. See what people say before putting too much energy into whittling it down. After all, over-editing a manuscript before you really know what you're doing can often rob it of your natural, unique voice anyways.

And after you get some type of feedback - or find out if it's even a possible seller - bring it back to the workshop or continue to the next book, intending to improve.

I could be wrong about most of this though. Like I said, I'm just learning now. All food for thought, in my opinion.

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What did you write the book in (Apple? Microsoft?) and how did you format it for Amazon? The two books I have on there were done on a Mac in Pages and I did my own formatting and covers. Definitely took a ton of trial and error to make it look right but I finally figured out a way that worked for me and they both look good on different devices. What's cool with Amazon is that if you see an error you can edit it, upload it again and usually in about 6 or 8 hours it's live in the store.

I actually wrote the book in Microsoft Word, but right now I've only got OpenOffice on my computer (still saving as .doc files). I didn't bother converting the file before uploading. I just let the Kindle Publishing program convert it for me. But there are some free programs out there that allow you to convert from .doc to .mobi, and I'm going to figure that out for the next book. Not only does it make it compatible with more readers, as I understand it anyways, but it would allow me to send it to proofreaders and have them upload it directly to their Kindle.

I'd rather them proofread on the platform it's meant to be read in than in .doc or .pdf, which is what I've been doing so far. By proofreaders, I mean the very first people I show my book to - before it publishes.

As for how I handle the document formatting, I like to write with big font while working on the book, with space between paragraphs, so I wait until the document is done to format it properly. Then paste it in a text doc and then back in Word (to remove unnecessary formatting). Set the font at times new roman and 12pt - they can alter it as they see fit on their Kindle so it doesn't matter.

Single-spaced, with no gap between paragraphs, and no more than .3 indent on the first line of each paragraph. I'm sure you know this already, but it's imperative not to use "tabs" for indenting your paragraphs. And no unnecessary space anywhere in the document (should never do more than 4 returns in a row).

I use the horizontal bar between sections and a ### at the end of each work to signify the closing.

I don't remember where the webpage I got my initial formatting info from was, but their general advice was to keep it as simple as possible. That way it'll look good on most platforms and there's less room for error.

I'm probably missing some things, but this is what stuck in my head so far.

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I have another book that'll be ready soon


Been saying the same for years about a memoir and another novel I started, so I know how you feel. lol Feel like I really am building some momentum now though.

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Are you going to get this on Barnes and Noble for the Nook? My KDP Select (which I didn't use at all) 90 day exclusivity is way over now and I've been meaning to upload it to their store, seems pretty similar to Amazon, a little bit less of a royalty though. I've also looked at Apple but you need a bona fide ISBN number which I think you can get for $100 or so.

Yeah. After the KDP Select exclusivity is up, I plan to submit to a few different platforms. I still need to do research in this department though. I also plan to release on Amazon as a physical print-on-demand book. I've had about five people on Facebook mention they would buy a copy if it was available as an actual book. I get the sense that there's still a huge market for printed books.

Based on reviews, I may start formatting and getting a cover designed for that within the next couple weeks.

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Your book looks good, I like the cover and I like the pseudonym, I should get into it soon and definitely have some feedback for you. Again, good job, it's not easy writing fiction at all!

Thanks again, Man. I do appreciate it and I hope it doesn't let you down. [Image: smile.gif]

By the way, I'm getting my covers off fiverr. I've ordered three covers from this person so far and the first two look pretty decent. Surprised the hell out of me. I found them because they were recommended in a Warrior Forum thread somewhere.

If you want a link, let me know.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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I bought your book

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I'll get you a small review at some point.
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Quote: (06-20-2013 06:39 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

I bought your book

[Image: coin-flip-mcduck.gif]

I'll get you a small review at some point.

Right on - nice meme. LOL

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Quote: (06-16-2013 07:01 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

The media is dumb these days. It is getting easier and easier to create a shitstorm that people write about.

I first realised this when reading this book by the guy who did PR for American Apparel and Tucker Max:

http://www.ryanholiday.net/welcome-to-tr...nipulator/

If I was writing a book I would follow the examples given in the Ryan Holiday book above.

Come up with some silly story to do with your book. And then get some small site - or small local newspaper to write about it.

Once you have a small fish biting on your bait. You forward the story to a slightly bigger newspaper - pretending to be a reader who is wondering why the newspaper isn't covering this.

Rinse and repeat.

Eventually - you will have the big papers/magazines/sites covering the story that started out as a stunt to get in the local press.

You just keep playing the story up the media chain. Moving up to bigger and bigger media platforms.

I could think of some examples of this - but in fact a link I was going to pass along gives a perfect example of this anyway:

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/15/hey_amaz..._my_money/

This guy ended up with a best seller on Amazon. And all because the cover of his book was a rip off of the design of a Jack Daniels bottle. Which resulted in Jack Daniels sending him an incredibly polite 'cease and desist' order.

The fact that the letter was so polite (despite it being from corporate lawyers) made the situation novel enough to get other sites/newspapers to write about it. Since it was unusual to see such politeness in the type of letter which is usually quite threatening.

As such - the story went 'viral' for a few days - before the media moved on to the next 'viral' story. The thing is that there are hundreds of 'viral' stories each year - providing exposure to alot of things which would otherwise be overlooked. And in alot of cases those 'viral' stories are carefully prepared by the people involved.

Most of the stories in the Daily Mail seem to fit this bill. And to give an example from the Ryan Holiday book above. When marketing the Max Tucker books - he defaced a billboard hoarding advertising the book. He did it himself - and spray painted something like 'Tucker Max is a cheating bastard!' over the poster. This was particularly powerful since the Tucker Max book was a memoir of his drunken antics which often involved screwing lots of women.

He then forwarded the photo (pretending to be a member of the public) to a few sites/local newspapers.

And once the locals started to write about this funny story - the regional papers became interested. And within a few days - the national papers were writing about it.

It seems that the media are only prepared to talk about it - if those around them (or on the rung below them) are talking about it. Indeed - most journalists at the big papers only cover stories which catch their eyes from the local papers and from sites like Jezabel.com

As such - if I was writing a book - I would think about some creative ways to get the media interested in it. With the newspapers, blogs and websites looking for new content 24/7 - they will definitely run with whatever you give them. But only if it ticks the boxes of what they feel their readers might be interested in.

Hell - even '50 Shades Of Grey' benefited from this. A big part of its early success - was the fact that the book was filthy and written by a middle aged English housewife.

That disparity alone provided an angle for writers as they wondered if this revealed something, as yet unsuspected, about the average housewife.

Of course - it soon went through the stratosphere. But that was because everybody started buying and talking about the book - to see why everyone else was buying and talking about the book. That is the pinnacle of successful hype. But - you only get to that kind of level when your success starts to feed back on itself.

The internet is a powerful tool. And anyone can leverage it to create a bigger splash than you could ever imagine. You just have to give yourself permission to start thinking creatively (and a little cynically).

This is probably a silly example. But I was thinking about reading 'Enjoy The Decline' by Aaron Clarey. So - if I was looking for a way to market that book - I would say that any profit from the book will be donated to the US government in order to pay off the national debt.

It is the type of media fodder which would get gobbled up. And the publicity you get from such a stunt would be worth it as opposed to having a book sell in small numbers and be forgotten about.

To finish. Nicholson Baker is a great writer. But even he only became famous when it was reported that his novel 'Vox' had being given as a gift from Bill Clinton to Monica Lewinsky.

It is all about creating a wave of interest and surfing it to the shore. And I never realised this until reading the Ryan Holiday book mentioned above.

Indeed - if I was writing a book. These days I would figure out the marketing strategy first. And them makes sure the book I am going to write would work well for such a strategy. The importance of a good 'angle' is so important that it needs to become a part of your thinking when deciding what book to write in the first place.

That book by Ryan Holliday is great, highly recommend it.

Holliday seems like a real smart kid.

Interesting thing is I don't know how well his own book did.

And we all know the Tucker Max movie bombed heavy.

Not sure about American Apparel either. I think that company is in trouble, but not sure.

Don't get me wrong, I think Holiday knows whats up for sure, but the real world application seems mixed.

Maybe some people know more than me and can weigh in here.
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The last time I checked Roosh's Smiley Face book was like 38,000 something, that's good! There's a site that tracks Amazon books, I'm on my phone and can't link it but it's associated to Amazon, easy to find or I'll throw up the the link when I get a chance, it's like Amazon tracker or something.

I read three chapters, definitely want to see where it goes. It does need some editing for verb tense. You always want to be active, even when going over things in the past, the use of "had" a lot makes it not read as smooth. But the writing is good, you definitely have talent and can draw the reader in.

If you haven't read On Writing by Stephen King read it ASAP! My old novels were very flowery and trying to be literary, read something like The Road by Cormac McCarthy and you will want to strip things down to the bone. That and Hemingway's style are great influences.
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Quote: (06-20-2013 06:50 PM)painter Wrote:  

The last time I checked Roosh's Smiley Face book was like 38,000 something, that's good! There's a site that tracks Amazon books, I'm on my phone and can't link it but it's associated to Amazon, easy to find or I'll throw up the the link when I get a chance, it's like Amazon tracker or something.

I read three chapters, definitely want to see where it goes. It does need some editing for verb tense. You always want to be active, even when going over things in the past, the use of "had" a lot makes it not read as smooth. But the writing is good, you definitely have talent and can draw the reader in.

If you haven't read On Writing by Stephen King read it ASAP! My old novels were very flowery and trying to be literary, read something like The Road by Cormac McCarthy and you will want to strip things down to the bone. That and Hemingway's style are great influences.

Yeah, I was really struggling on the "hads" with that last draft. lol Many got put back in when they probably shouldn't have. Kind of what I mean by someone over-editing when they're unsure.

I agree with your sentiment from earlier that it's great you can update these so easily.

I read "On Writing" a long time ago but will give it another go. "The Road" is an epic book. One of the best.

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To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Ps I want to read it
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The Road really brought it home to me to simplify things. That and my uncle was a big time editor and said something once about how you want to aim to cut a good 25% or so.

When you're in writing mode you just let loose but when it comes to editing you have to be merciless, even cutting stuff you love. If it doesn't hurt, you're not cutting enough.
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Quote: (06-20-2013 07:11 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Ps I want to read it

No newbies, Fisto.

haha I'll send you a PM.

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Quote: (06-20-2013 06:50 PM)painter Wrote:  

If you haven't read On Writing by Stephen King read it ASAP!

Sweet, I found a download. Don't feel too sheisty since I already bought it. lol Probably good time to read this.

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Free download is now available. I sent out a link to those who requested, but if I missed you, just pm me again.

Thanks!

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