How Does Heartiste Game Factor Into Pickup?
06-06-2013, 12:32 AM
TL;DR - A Roissy pick up uses the dark triad to exploit weaknesses in feminine thought and psyche through sub-communication and withholding approval. In typical pick up, there's less screening/conditioning for subservience.
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Just spitballing here, but here's how i'd break it down.
Roissy style game
- "indirect" - not a true "where can I find this on the map", but not a "sup bitch, let's hit the hotel"
- takes into account the hamster and macro-factors
- focuses on a chicks weak points and insecurities
- uses a lot of dark triad stuff
To understand Roissy, it's useful to compare him with the other muscateers.
1) Roosh
We've seen Roosh approach on TV. He walks up, maybe asks a truly indirect question, rambles, and opens a girl up and feels her out. She looks up at him, starts to warm up a bit.... Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
If she's a bitch, unlike the typical PUA mantra, he's not above letting her have it, ideally in the most soul crushing way.
If successful, the Target will think that Roosh is this sexy and interesting guy, maybe have some fun with later, maybe not - she thinks it's up to her. She may even believe that this wonderful man just happened to fall into her life and it was kismet that they got together.
2) Virgle Kent
If you read Virgle Kent, he already has that intimidation factor - bald, black, built. Some Ukranian chick on U-street isn't going to buy him asking about a pet shop. She knows that a black guy stepping to her wants one thing. He may step to her with an indirect style - but it's one of those styles that is anything but indirect. It's an invitation for her to play along. But she might take note of his guns. He talks about having to show the contrast, he looks scary but he's actually a Teddy Bear. In this case, the Target is thinking fun and sexy, possibly charming rogue, and because of VK's sheer physicality, there's some natural submission going on.
3) Roissy
Roissy sees some young Republican Hill Staffer in some conservative Clarendon haunt, preferably from Utah, blonde, trim, probably some kind of policy wonk, but the good kind for him. I can't envision Roissy being as direct as VK, but He might not go indirect like Roosh. Roissy might throw out some "big bait" and get her to chime in. Once she does, the game is on.
He's going to look for an opening that will allow him to get her to start jumping through hoops. Standard game stuff, but he's never going to let her catch the ball, not even once. His main thrust these past years is to dominate, dominate, dominate. Where Roosh and Virgle might do some true give and take, Roissy won't. He's trying to build in submissiveness and compliance from the very beginning. As far as I can tell, Roissy wouldn't cave man unless absolutely necessary.
From the target's perspective, this guy is fun and dangerous but in a sadistic way. She's going to be on that treadmill trying to seek his approval. He prides himself on mixing in fear and pleasure.
He does with minimal play-by-play action. He's aiming to get to the point where all he needs to do is give her "the look". She knows if she displeases him, there's going to be hell to pay. In some ways, at least by the way he writes, he's building some dependence/co-dependence into his chicks from day 1.
Where I think that VK doesn't necessarily want a subservient girl, and Roosh will take a naturally subservient one - both will replace rather than chase, Roissy will make a girl subservient.
I think Roissy, oddly enough, has a very pimp-like approach to the game. The goal doesn't even seem to be sex, but slavery.
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These 3 represent 3 styles out of an infinite # of styles.
One can easily envision Tyler Durden, Style, Patrice O'Neal , Mystery, G-Manifesto, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, Cristiano, Steve Harvey, Sammy the Bull Gravano, Tom Terreo, Indian Gurus, the dudes @ Simple Pick Up and the fat Arab would all do this differently and successfully.
I say that because you don't necessarily need to take the "dark triad" approach to pick up. There are lots of ways to skin a cat.
Indeed, I much prefer the style currently advocated here on this forum....call it lifestyle game, or abundance game - but essentially you present a girl with a guy so awesome and his world is so awesome - she's dying to get into it. You're flipping the game and actually trying to disqualify her (not a fake disqualification to build attraction). In terms of actual pick up, it's the standard " see a chick, step up, spit at her" - but a lot of the heavy lifting that you're doing is in building an awesome life.
WIA
