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Phnom Penh, Cambodia datasheet
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Phnom Penh, Cambodia datasheet

Hi guys i'm new here. I've lurked the forum for a while and only yesterday did I finally sign up. I've seen these datasheets, and having just been to Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Malaysia I feel I can contribute. I'm going to do a datasheet for just Phnom Penh as of now but if any of you guys want a datasheet for the other places I visited (went to the majority of towns there), then just holla.

My trip was Thailand -> Cambodia -> Vietnam. I had already booked a return flight in Bangkok so I have to do the opposite of this trip to go back. I.e Vietnam -> Cambodia -> Thailand. As a result, I was in Phnom Penh twice and loved it both times. Travelled for a total of 4 months and 2 weeks. Was only in Malaysia for 1 weekend (visa run) and it sucked.

Tuk Tuk drivers
The secret to having a good time in Phnom Penh is to find a good tuk tuk driver. A lot of the Tuk Tuk drivers are from the villages in Cambodia and have came to the capital due to the demand of tourists and an opportunity to make more money. However they suck. They don't know much English as they haven't had a good education, and they don't know all the roads in phnom penh and they get lost, take ages, then charge you more for the fuel costs etc. If you find a tuk tuk driver that speaks English, is not ripping you off, comes across as friendly but not too much of a 'try hard' in order to get your money, and knows the area you are going to have a great time. When I got off the plane at the airport in phnom penh, I had at least 5 tuk tuk drivers all desperate to take me from the airport to a hostel. I ignored the first few as they seemed too desperate and probably would overcharge me. I saw a guy at the side who didn't wave at me or anything. He spoke great English, we had a chat about football etc. He told me what there is to do in the area, I asked about the nightlife and he told me Pontoon was the best and said that everyone is making out all night long. He then offered to pick me up from my hotel the next day, take me round to the tourist places etc and we would organise a fee before leaving. I knew some other people who did similar things with tuk tuk drivers in other parts of SEA.

Since the tuk tuk drivers really don't know the area at all, if you organise a price beforehand a lot of the time they will just make estimated guesses and may overcharge just in case its far away. Since you don't know if it is far away, you don't know if it is worth it. At the same time, if you do know how far it is from where you are and the tuk tuk driver doesnt, you can often agree a price lower than what it should cost!

Hotels/Hostels
Vary in price completely. The nicer ones are usually along the riverfront/riverside. I stayed in a nice one called G11. I was doing an organised tour so that was the hotel included in the tour (usually expensive but they reduce it for tours - think it is around $40 per night if not on a tour). But I arrived a little before my tour group for some independent fun. The cheapest hostels are around $5. If you want to be cheap, I recommend looking for the hostels near where all the attractions are. So basically near either:
A) The nightlife spot - Soyra shopping area
B) Riverside

This means you can walk home after a night out or after going to the riverside. Or if you do take a tuk tuk/motorbike taxi, it would be cheap.

Eating
Western food along the riverside. You can get some tasty food there but it is a lot more pricey than the local food. Having said that, the western food is still cheaper than what you will find in the US/Europe. I absolutely loved the local food though - very healthy. Lots of vegetables and soups. Everywhere is quite similar in terms of food. Similar to Vietnamese food. There are many beggars around; particularly on the riverfront and if you sit outside they will hassle you a lot. A lot of the pro's hang about by the riverfront during the day as they are bored and have nothing else to do. If you see a hot girl or a group of them hanging out (or maybe with a westerner she fucked the night before) then they are probably pro's. They have a habit of hanging out with the guy she fucked the next day too (it's quite cool to be honest as she will show you around the area and stuff).

Daytime
I liked to enjoy the food. Also there are the killing fields and mass genocide museum but that is really sad and depressing. There are some nice temples I went to, there is a shooting range where you can shoot down a cow (srs!!). Didn't do all the activities but it was still cool. It is very laid back and just sitting along the riverside is enjoyable. There is a little outdoor area I would use for pull ups, dips and other exercise.

Nightlife
Amazing! No exaggeration. I hear people harping on about the Philippines for ease of bangs, but I am sure Phnom Penh is right up there if you head to the right spots. It is all about location. You want to go to the Soyra Shopping market. Here is where you will find many bars, Pontoon nightclub and Heart of Darkness. Nightlife only starts getting good very late on and goes on till the early hours of the morning. So no need to get there early. I tended to have a little nap at 7pm (my sleeping pattern was fucked) and woke up at 10.30pm. Got ready, then left at 11. That was generally speaking - i did go there earlier occasionally too.

If you are by yourself, the girls will love you. I didn't even need to approach much. The girls would constantly be coming up to me. I was actually having to reject girls.

All the bars are in close proximity so work out which does the cheapest drink you want and go there. I liked the Angkor beer and it is only 50 cent!!! A great bar I recommend is the Swiss Bar. This is because it is right along the alleyway by Pontoon and the entrance to the Soyra market. So basically everyone who walks past will notice you. You stand out so well. I had girls coming up to me left, right and centre each time I sat here. If you don't want a pro - watch out for the features that give it away (her ridiculously high heels, she may have a kid near her who she says she doesnt know or claims isn't hers, short skirts, loads of make up - the obvious stuff).


To impress them:
- They seemed to love my shirt I was wearing. It was a cheap button up shirt I bought in Thailand but they loved it as they thought I was smart.
- There is a supermarket/corner shop by the soyra market and there are free samples of all the colognes and stuff like that. I would spray lots of the expensive samples on me then leave. Girls would constantly compliment me on my smell.
- Give a hint that you want sex after some chatting. They are so easy to get into bed you don't even need to be that subtle or flirty with them.


You are going to see loads of older men out there with the woman. But that doesn't mean that a good looking guy can't bang without giving them money. There are so many girls out there it isn't hard - girls seem to outnumber guys. And it seems to be all local girls and all foreign guys.

My bangs
First night - Met 2 girls early on. They approached me at the Swiss bar. They sat either side of me. She showed me a condom in her bag and knew what she wanted. I knew she was a pro (i usually avoid them) but didn't care. Her and her other pro friend go out together all the time. We drank a few Angkor's together. Chatted, felt her up in public. Went into Pontoon for a bit and danced (she was crazy at dancing). Went back to hers and banged her. Then we went back out as it was still going on. Drank more. She then knew some westerners who were living in phnom penh and chatted and danced with them (obvs fucked her) so I was like 'fuck it' and was chatting to another girl (shows how easy it is if I can already get with another girl in just 2 mins). She got pissed off so I just said 'you were doing what i was doing'. Then we apologised, danced more and fucked again that night. I slept with her into midday the next day and fucked again midday. By this point my dick was in pain and tired from non-stop grinding with her and so much fucking in a short space of time afterwards. She then showed me around the area and I finally went back to my hotel afterwards.

2nd night - Went out again and same girl saw me arriving on the tuk tuk. She said she thought i would be coming out again and waited for me. We went into Heart of Darkness (decent club but isnt as good as Pontoon) and danced again. It got a bit boring really. Can't remember what we did afterwards but I was kind of bored that night. I think we went to a small bar and danced there (barely anyone there). Eventually we went back to hers another time, fucked again. I slept with her. Got horny during the night and fucked another time. I then stumbled across to my hotel at 8am (still drunk) to meet my tour group. Just before I left though she started to cry saying how her family was so poor and she was only a pro to help her family and she hates it and how her mom was ill and she needed to help her because she couldn't even remember her own daughter's name or anything about her due to the illness. She was trying to play the sympathy card and I left.

3rd night - Didn't go out as I had eaten something bad and I was ill.

When i arrived in phnom penh a few weeks later:
1st night - Drank at Soyra Beer Garden. All the girls working there were chatting to me one at a time - they weren't pros. After a few beers I left. But the girl told me she finishes work at 3am and added me on fb. I was going to meet her at 3am, but I found another girl instead so flaked her. Was awkward as f*ck with this other girl. She looked good but was weird as fuck and couldn't speak (she had 'mute' and if she tried to speak I would just hear this funny noise, so she wrote everything down to me and used sign language to communicate). When she got back to mine, she didn't have any ID on her so we couldnt fuck. She said to me, lets go back to the club then. I was tired, it was about 3.30am and just went to sleep instead. So she fucked that night up.

2nd night - When I woke up after the 1st night, I messaged her on fb asking what she's doing and stuff. She said she was upset we didn't meet after work and asked if I fucked the other girl. I made up some excuse. We then agreed to meet up that night as it was too hot to do anything in the day. We chatted at the place she worked. Shared some Angkor beers and she introduced me to her sister who also works at the same place as her (but this time the girl I liked was off work). Brought her back to mine. We fucked but she was shit in bed. I told her I'm heading off to Siem Reap the next morning and she wanted to come. She bought her own bus ticket from my hostel reception, went back to hers and she brought her clothes along and we went there. Fucked several more times in Siem Reap.

To Summarise:
Could've got at least 4 more bangs but I already had a girl (so much choice!)

Best club is Pontoon. Second best is Heart of Darkness. Go in both, see which looks busier, better etc as it is free to get in so leave if you don't like it and luckily they are located less than a 100 metre walk from each other. Plenty of other clubs/bars/a huge casino around but they weren't as good or were go go bars. GoGo to the bars before hand. Make yourself look approachable and approach others if you feel like it.

If your a good looking lad, don't bother paying for the pros.

Use the bars for cheaper drinks and place yourself so that all the girls can see you.

Always negotiate prices with tuk tuk drivers and seem confident like you know the way.

Any specific questions...feel free to ask
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Quote: (06-02-2013 07:43 AM)ravzanpat123 Wrote:  

...If you are by yourself, the girls will love you. I didn't even need to approach much. The girls would constantly be coming up to me. I was actually having to reject girls.
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"Good" girls or pros/semi-pros?
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Thanks heaps for posting.

I am doing my first overseas trip from Australia to the exact places you have mentioned. I plan on doing Vietnam - Cambodia - Thailand and a possible stop in Malaysia on the way home. 6 weeks total

Would appreciate any info on those places although Thailand has been covered extensively already. Did you make the trip to Sihanoukville or Siam Reap? Would you advise just skipping Malaysia? (although I feel I may aswell check it out as I'd be stopping over there on the way home anyway.)
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Great info on it man!

Arent alot of the girls semi-pros around Heart Of Darkness? That's the vibe I got from Neil and Cedo (cedonulli.com)

The latter put in some serious time in PP, has good game and basically came to the conclusion that girls in clubs/bars are nearly all freelancers and the good girls dont even get let out by their parents lol:

http://www.cedonulli.com
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Quote: (06-02-2013 09:57 AM)Northern Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2013 07:43 AM)ravzanpat123 Wrote:  

...If you are by yourself, the girls will love you. I didn't even need to approach much. The girls would constantly be coming up to me. I was actually having to reject girls.
...
"Good" girls or pros/semi-pros?

I am convinced one or two of the girls that came up to me weren't even a semi-pro. Just a completely normal girl who had gone out that night. The girl I fucked who came with me to siem reap and fucked more was a completely normal girl. Her friends who had chatted to me were the same (and if i wasn't in her pants, i would be in her friends).

Quote: (06-02-2013 10:23 AM)big poppa Wrote:  

Thanks heaps for posting.

I am doing my first overseas trip from Australia to the exact places you have mentioned. I plan on doing Vietnam - Cambodia - Thailand and a possible stop in Malaysia on the way home. 6 weeks total

Would appreciate any info on those places although Thailand has been covered extensively already. Did you make the trip to Sihanoukville or Siam Reap? Would you advise just skipping Malaysia? (although I feel I may aswell check it out as I'd be stopping over there on the way home anyway.)

Been to Sihanoukville and Siem Reap.

Siem Reap had good nightlife. I recommend the hip hop club. I ended the night pretty sober so I saw things differently, but all I saw was drunk guys and girls going home with each other. In Phnom Penh, the majority of girls were the locals, and the guys were Westerners... however in Siem Reap and Sihanoukville it is mainly western girls and guys around at night. Having said that, there are some pro's (mainly ladyboys around).

Sihanoukville was known for nightlife but I just wasn't feeling it. However I think that was just me as everyone else I spoke to liked it. Since its a beach location, you get some people partying on the sand. I didn't like it because the music was just pure cheezy, not many girls around apart from 5's, and even though there were quite a few bars looking out to sea, they were all small. I prefer a proper nightclub to these little bars with 'open doors' if you know what i mean. I just went to this hostel I found which has balloons. Idk what's inside it exactly but you just suck them in and they make you feel high (but the feeling goes really quickly).

I was in Kuala Lumpar and for a big city, the nightlife was absolutely dreadful. I think it is for 2 reasons:
1) The country is Muslim so they don't drink alcohol
2) A lot of the foreigners who visit there are wealthier people on business trips or living there. Not really for backpackers who take drinking and nightlife as a priority.

The city itself lacks things to do as well. There's the famous tower in Kuala Lumpar which isn't even that spectacular, and that is about it really. Chinatown is alright too. After that, you are running out of things to do.

If I were you, I would head over to other parts of Malaysia.
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Thanks for the datasheet. I was in Cambodia at the beginning of 2011 and then at the beginning of 2012 so I can confirm a lot of what you've written. I'll be heading to Phnom Penh at the end of the month. Going to try my hand at doing some exporting out of there so I'll be setting up operations for at least 4-6 months. As it's a rapidly growing economy, I'll take a look at importing some high-quality things from the US. Cost of manufactured goods are very cheap and labor is 1/3 the price of China (minimum wage in Cambodia is $0.33/hour!). I'm considering setting up some type of light manufacturing operation and putting people to work. I won't know until I'm on the ground. Also, certain items are duty free into the EU because of Cambodia's status as a LDC. Something for for you Euro guys to consider.

You can get a 6 or 12 month multi-entry business visa for very cheap (I believe 12 month is $285) that will allow you to do pretty much whatever you want. No need for company invitation letters and all that nonsense. Vietnam is right next door too, so biz trips to HCMC and surrounding industrial areas is a viable option.

With the coming ASEAN integration the place is set to boom.

Anyway, good data sheet. Thanks.

PS: Anyone on a budget should take a look at this guesthouse in PP. Cheap and rather centrally located next to the German embassy. I stayed there in 2011 and it was clean and comfortable for the price ($6-$12). They allowed local girls in who had ID.
http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/cam...llOverview
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Did you go to St. Tropaz while in PP? Pontoon was obviously filled with hookers when I was there.
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Quote: (06-02-2013 11:47 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Pontoon was obviously filled with hookers when I was there.

Isn't that also the case with Heart of Darkness?

I can't have sex with your personality, and I can't put my penis in your college degree, and I can't shove my fist in your childhood dreams, so why are you sharing all this information with me?
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Yes Heart of Darkness, Pontoon and any of the main tourist bars / clubs you're likely to be in are filled with hookers whether the OP realised it or not. I would wager that 100% of girls he fucked were prostitutes even if not all directly asked him for money.

Most regular Cambodian girls do NOT approach random foreigner in the street or in bars.....chances of them being in the bars in the first place are slim unless they are the upper class and out with their rich boyfriend or sponsor.

The girl who you spent a few nights with who started crying about her ill mother was a pro and she stayed with you on the assumption that at the end of your time together you would pay her (as every other foreigner she's fucked did) and instead you just left and didn't bother even after she made it clear she needed cash? To me that is out of order.

Cambodia isn't a place for players IMO. There's not enough access to regular girls and the majority you come across as on the game. The ones who aren't are upper class and mostly off limits.

Never trust a tuk tuk driver even if he seemed cool you can guarantee he ripped you off along the lines somewhere and these guys do NOT know where to go when it comes to nightlife, they just tell you about the most common tourist clubs like Pontoon and HoD rather than putting you onto some of the regular Cambodia places like St Tropez, Darling Darling and Rock (I forget the exact names of all the places).

My taxi driver from PP airport was offering me drugs, guns, women, tours and everything else you can think of and spoke great English and was friendly...but it doesn't mean he's a good guy he's just trying to make a buck off me. I have no problem with that as they need to make money but I would never trust them as they see us as walking dollar signs.
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Quote: (06-02-2013 12:29 PM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

Never trust a tuk tuk driver even if he seemed cool you can guarantee he ripped you off along the lines somewhere and these guys do NOT know where to go when it comes to nightlife, they just tell you about the most common tourist clubs like Pontoon and HoD rather than putting you onto some of the regular Cambodia places like St Tropez, Darling Darling and Rock (I forget the exact names of all the places).

Good points. To extend that line of reasoning, I would say it's a good idea while in Asia (excluding Japan and for the most part, Korea) to just always assume that somewhere along the line, every person you come into contact with in a "transactional" setting is out to deceive you and rip you off. It's been stated here before but... No, they don't want "to be your friend." Might sound cynical but you are a subhuman alien and unless you are providing some sort social (as in "look at this exotic foreigner at my table" or monetary value, then you are useless to them.

Bottom line: always assume deception. It's a nice surprise when it turns out that they are genuinely nice.
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How exactly do you let the hookers know that they aren't getting paid? Do you actually let them know? Is it possible that they are hoping to get paid the equivalent of, say, $30/day at the end of your so called "relationship" but are too shy to insist or even mention it when you say good buy and leave them?
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@ Brodiga

you simply say "I don`t pay for love" quite early in the conversation. Or as some have stated before, tell a (fake) story about a girl you dated and that it ended because you found out she was a working girl and "I don`t like that"
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It depends on what type of person you are IMO. I'm the type of dude that will show you a good time and tell you up front I am not paying to smash. After my first two or three semi-pros, I got into a habit of letting them know off top. I dont need an agruement or me feelin like a shithead for fucking a poor village girl who needs to eat or support their family in some far province. Even if you smash the massuses or 7/11 girls they would still want to ask for money but may be too shy.

Some of the young girls with no kids would enjoy kickin it with you and may not care for money. Those are the ones you want. 18-23 with no kids. The older ones might like you enough to fuck for free but still wants money. Some older ones have their heads on straight and money right so they can tell that you are there for a good time and not to trick so when the approach they know off top that you wont pay.

Rememeber these lizards are use to 45+ year old westerns who will give them money. If you are under 30, they may not look at you as a John so much but more as "he is on holiday so he may throw me a little something because we had a great time." After my initial two weeks in Thailand, I straight up told them" I dont fuck for money. I got five girls I can call right now, but we can have a great time tonight and if you want to come with me thats your choice." Being young, confident, and dressed better than the tourist, they know I wasnt bullshittin and kicked it for the good time and smashed hell of it. Its either that or wait for some old man, shitty convo and weak sex.

In the end you have three options. Be a trick who pays directly for sex and time, be a fun exciting cat who will have a blast with her then fuck the shit out of her, or be a nice dude who is cool pay for her dinner and time then throws her some cab money.

The cycle of disrespect can start with just an appetizer.
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Quote: (06-02-2013 12:07 PM)Soma Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2013 11:47 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Pontoon was obviously filled with hookers when I was there.

Isn't that also the case with Heart of Darkness?

Yup.

I had two whores try the 'distract and thieve' trick on me in there. I'd put my bag on a table and one girl came over and was all flirty. I took my eyes off my bag that was behind me. I noticed that the girl flirting with me was occasionally looking past me momentarily so I turned and saw her fellow whore mate had her hand in my bag. If I had not turned in time I'd have lost something. What pissed me off was not that a poor whore was trying to rob me but that watching it go down was a foreign dude behind me who never said a word as it happened. You'd expect foreigners to stick together with that kind of shit and look out for each other but when I told him that he just shrugged.

If I returned to Cambodia I'd target the cigarette girls that tour the bars advertising their brands. They were the hottest girls I came into contact with in the country who were not completely conservative.
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Quote: (06-02-2013 10:59 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

Great info on it man!

Arent alot of the girls semi-pros around Heart Of Darkness? That's the vibe I got from Neil and Cedo (cedonulli.com)

The latter put in some serious time in PP, has good game and basically came to the conclusion that girls in clubs/bars are nearly all freelancers and the good girls dont even get let out by their parents lol:

http://www.cedonulli.com

Cheers. Yeah the majority of the girls in Heart of Darkness are semi-pros. However every time I went into a club I would have met a girl from the bars I was hanging around in. So sometimes I found just normal girls before going inside. Pontoon seemed to have less semi pros, but there were still plenty there.

Well a lot of the girls have moved to Phnom Penh. For example, a girl I was with had moved to Phnom Penh for a better life - more job opportunities than in a little village etc. It was just her and her sister living in a guesthouse together and their parents lived in the village. So they could work and send some money back to them. I know from that description it sounds like a load of crap and sounds like she is actually just getting with the tourists, but in that case it definitely wasnt true (and there are other girls in a similar situation). So the fact that her parents are not there makes the whole scenario different. But there are a lot of 'good' girls such as those at University who wouldn't go out - well certainly not with the westerners. My tuk tuk driver told me about the clubs where Westerners don't go (further afield from all the hotels/hostels) and they would have more of the 'good' girls from their upper class.

But yeah there are loads of freelancers etc.
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Quote: (06-02-2013 11:28 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

Thanks for the datasheet. I was in Cambodia at the beginning of 2011 and then at the beginning of 2012 so I can confirm a lot of what you've written. I'll be heading to Phnom Penh at the end of the month. Going to try my hand at doing some exporting out of there so I'll be setting up operations for at least 4-6 months. As it's a rapidly growing economy, I'll take a look at importing some high-quality things from the US. Cost of manufactured goods are very cheap and labor is 1/3 the price of China (minimum wage in Cambodia is $0.33/hour!). I'm considering setting up some type of light manufacturing operation and putting people to work. I won't know until I'm on the ground. Also, certain items are duty free into the EU because of Cambodia's status as a LDC. Something for for you Euro guys to consider.

You can get a 6 or 12 month multi-entry business visa for very cheap (I believe 12 month is $285) that will allow you to do pretty much whatever you want. No need for company invitation letters and all that nonsense. Vietnam is right next door too, so biz trips to HCMC and surrounding industrial areas is a viable option.

With the coming ASEAN integration the place is set to boom.

Anyway, good data sheet. Thanks.

PS: Anyone on a budget should take a look at this guesthouse in PP. Cheap and rather centrally located next to the German embassy. I stayed there in 2011 and it was clean and comfortable for the price ($6-$12). They allowed local girls in who had ID.
http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/cam...llOverview
Spot on!!

Quote: (06-02-2013 11:47 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Did you go to St. Tropaz while in PP? Pontoon was obviously filled with hookers when I was there.

Never went there but saw it/heard the name etc

Quote: (06-02-2013 12:29 PM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

Yes Heart of Darkness, Pontoon and any of the main tourist bars / clubs you're likely to be in are filled with hookers whether the OP realised it or not. I would wager that 100% of girls he fucked were prostitutes even if not all directly asked him for money.

Most regular Cambodian girls do NOT approach random foreigner in the street or in bars.....chances of them being in the bars in the first place are slim unless they are the upper class and out with their rich boyfriend or sponsor.

The girl who you spent a few nights with who started crying about her ill mother was a pro and she stayed with you on the assumption that at the end of your time together you would pay her (as every other foreigner she's fucked did) and instead you just left and didn't bother even after she made it clear she needed cash? To me that is out of order.

Cambodia isn't a place for players IMO. There's not enough access to regular girls and the majority you come across as on the game. The ones who aren't are upper class and mostly off limits.

Never trust a tuk tuk driver even if he seemed cool you can guarantee he ripped you off along the lines somewhere and these guys do NOT know where to go when it comes to nightlife, they just tell you about the most common tourist clubs like Pontoon and HoD rather than putting you onto some of the regular Cambodia places like St Tropez, Darling Darling and Rock (I forget the exact names of all the places).

My taxi driver from PP airport was offering me drugs, guns, women, tours and everything else you can think of and spoke great English and was friendly...but it doesn't mean he's a good guy he's just trying to make a buck off me. I have no problem with that as they need to make money but I would never trust them as they see us as walking dollar signs.

Absolutely certain not all of them were. Only 1 was a 'taxi girl' as she liked to call it. I can tell you for certain I didn't sleep just with pros/semi pros.

You don't know the whole story about the crying girl. As I'm young and only have a job on minimum wage, I saved up for ages for the trip. Although it was independently financed, my parents told me if I were getting low on cash they would lend me some as long as I could pay it back when I return home. So I started getting low on cash, expecting my parents to help out. My dad loses his job. I am screwed. I had to be extremely stingy with my money after that. I even told this girl I wasn't a rich guy like the other older guys around me and you can go to them for cash. She had plenty of guys giving her cash left right and centre anyway tbh. When I was with her, she went over to Western Union to pick up $100 dollars some guy from Germany had sent her.

I agree it isn't a place for gaming chicks up. But it doesn't mean all girls there that are 'available' to foreigners are pros/semi pros. Similar to the Philippines from what I've read - pros everywhere, but a foreigner can sleep with a non-pro.

I agree about the Tuk Tuk thing. But I know this guy was genuine and didn't rip me off as I got an insight into how much a tuk tuk ride should cost beforehand anyway. That was in the back of my mind that he was going to rip me off, but it wasn't a rip off at all actually. The tuk tuk driver didn't mention those places you named actually. He seemed to have really good knowledge of the area, great english etc.
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Cheers. Yeah the majority of the girls in Heart of Darkness are semi-pros. However every time I went into a club I would have met a girl from the bars I was hanging around in. So sometimes I found just normal girls before going inside. Pontoon seemed to have less semi pros, but there were still plenty there.

100% of girls in HoD and Pontoon are 100% pro...nothing semi about it. Straight up hookers.

The girls you met in bars....they were 99% chance of being hookers too. There are not many regular Cambodian girls out drinking in bars and the ones that are you'll usually see with their rich / gangster local boyfriend.

Pontoon is a world famous whore club.

Any Cambodian girl who wasn't a pro and could afford to go out partying would not be seen dead in either Pontoon or HoD.

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My tuk tuk driver told me about the clubs where Westerners don't go (further afield from all the hotels/hostels) and they would have more of the 'good' girls from their upper class.

Yes the places I mentioned (and there are others) have non pro's but those same girls don't go to the same places as hookers go. The two don't mix.

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How exactly do you let the hookers know that they aren't getting paid? Do you actually let them know? Is it possible that they are hoping to get paid the equivalent of, say, $30/day at the end of your so called "relationship" but are too shy to insist or even mention it when you say good buy and leave them?

Not letting them know then just refusing to pay in the morning is a bad move IMO. It's not cool. If you want a freebie at least be open about it from the start. In Thailand at least (probably same in Cambodia) many girls are too shy to ask for money because they don't want to cause a scene or embarrass themselves or you. A lot of guys use this to their advantage and just don't pay. These guys might find themselves getting attacked from the hookers boyfriend or husband one night.

Many of these girls have local bfs / husbands and finance their gambling and drinking habits and these guys aren't going to let some foreign tourist deprive them of their money.
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Has anyone had any success with online dating sites in Cambodia?

I've been over on khmer440.com doing some recon for pipelining and posters on that forum have recommended Badoo and Tagged as the top sites.

Anyone have input on this?
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[quote='TexasMade' pid='460160' dateline='1370198360']
It depends on what type of person you are IMO. I'm the type of dude that will show you a good time and tell you up front I am not paying to smash. After my first two or three semi-pros, I got into a habit of letting them know off top. I dont need an agruement or me feelin like a shithead for fucking a poor village girl who needs to eat or support their family in some far province. Even if you smash the massuses or 7/11 girls they would still want to ask for money but may be too shy.

Some of the young girls with no kids would enjoy kickin it with you and may not care for money. Those are the ones you want. 18-23 with no kids. The older ones might like you enough to fuck for free but still wants money. Some older ones have their heads on straight and money right so they can tell that you are there for a good time and not to trick so when the approach they know off top that you wont pay.

Rememeber these lizards are use to 45+ year old westerns who will give them money. If you are under 30, they may not look at you as a John so much but more as "he is on holiday so he may throw me a little something because we had a great time." After my initial two weeks in Thailand, I straight up told them" I dont fuck for money. I got five girls I can call right now, but we can have a great time tonight and if you want to come with me thats your choice." Being young, confident, and dressed better than the tourist, they know I wasnt bullshittin and kicked it for the good time and smashed hell of it. Its either that or wait for some old man, shitty convo and weak sex.

In the end you have three options. Be a trick who pays directly for sex and time, be a fun exciting cat who will have a blast with her then fuck the shit out of her, or be a nice dude who is cool pay for her dinner and time then throws her some cab money.
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Agree with all of this - especially the part in bold.

[quote='ThailandRockstar' pid='460261' dateline='1370205005']
[quote]Cheers. Yeah the majority of the girls in Heart of Darkness are semi-pros. However every time I went into a club I would have met a girl from the bars I was hanging around in. So sometimes I found just normal girls before going inside. Pontoon seemed to have less semi pros, but there were still plenty there.[/quote]

100% of girls in HoD and Pontoon are 100% pro...nothing semi about it. Straight up hookers.

The girls you met in bars....they were 99% chance of being hookers too. There are not many regular Cambodian girls out drinking in bars and the ones that are you'll usually see with their rich / gangster local boyfriend.

Pontoon is a world famous whore club.

Any Cambodian girl who wasn't a pro and could afford to go out partying would not be seen dead in either Pontoon or HoD.

[quote]My tuk tuk driver told me about the clubs where Westerners don't go (further afield from all the hotels/hostels) and they would have more of the 'good' girls from their upper class.[/quote]

lol, not EVERY girl in there is a pro. The girls I was hanging out with by the bar were definitely not pros (wasn't a place that does erotic dancing, bar fines etc - just a normal bar where people serve you drinks). The girl I actually fucked and took to Siem Reap genuinely didn't like Pontoon but went in there a bit with me and she actually couldn't stand all the old men approaching her and trying to give her money (again, definitely wasn't a lie). I know you are all thinking 'ignorant, dumb traveller here who was fooled so easily by their talk' but I am not even debating whether the girls I banged were pros/non pros... I am telling you for certain they were not pros (with the exception of 1).
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Quote: (06-02-2013 10:59 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

http://www.cedonulli.com

I stumbled across his blog a month ago. Solid insights on SEA, though generally comes across a tad too cynical/negative/moody. Especially enjoyed reading about Cambodia and Vietnam. The Cambodia Retrospective is a good summary of his experiences and observations there.

I can't have sex with your personality, and I can't put my penis in your college degree, and I can't shove my fist in your childhood dreams, so why are you sharing all this information with me?
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First I should preface my comments...I've lived in Thailand for almost 18 years now and have been to Cambodia somewhere between 40 and 50X. In the very beginning I went for visa runs, then I began going for business and also for getaways. I've been to PP, Snooky, Battambang, Siem Reap, and a number of other less memorable places.

Cambodia is quite a bit different than in the PI. Filipinas non-pros are relatively easy to have sex with. Cambodians who are not on the game or part-timers take a fair amount of time and effort to sleep with and they want more than just a bang. I've been with pros and non-pros and had long-term relationships with two of the non-pros, one of which lived with me in Thailand for a year.

Nobody needs a fucking online dating site for Cambodia. If you just want to get laid, try your luck with a local once on ground, or pay for it.

Unless you're a drop-dead gorgeous hunk of a man, and even then, the vast majority of non-pro Cambodian women would never simply walk up and start talking to you. First, most are too into their daily lives, second it's not in their nature to do so, and third, most are thinking of what sort of husband you'll be as opposed to how good you'll fuck them.

Sorya is full of girls looking for a sponsor. Good girls go to Sorya to go shopping, not for a sponsor. If you hooked up there the chances are very high that they were semi-pros looking for a little extra cash.
As Vorkuta said, the cigarette girls are usually very attractive. Also, if you go out a ways from the city there are restaurants in the rice fields that serve Cambodian food and beer. There are beer girls there. If you know a little Cambodian or have a Cambodian driver with you to translate, it is possible to get their phone number and meet them later. I've only had this happen once but I met the girl later in my trip and we hung out. Didn't close the deal though. But it's an option and if you go with a friend or two it can be fun as they fawn all over you.

Obviously if you're strapped for cash this is not a good thing. But Cambodia is definitely a very, very poor place and many of the women (and men for that matter) are so poor they are missing their meals.

If you want to get with girls who are on the fence about trading sex for money, Shanghai near Poontoon and The Heart is a good place for it. I've nailed thee girls from there and only paid for one. Just buy a drink or two, get the number, set something up for late, and leave. Don't sit there all night. But like TRS wrote, if you're pulling a chick from The Heart or Poontoon then you're in the whore zone - decent Cambodian girls not only will not go there, most will bypass that area unless they work or live closeby. Shanghai acts as if the girls are different, they're not, but I've had far better luck getting freebies from there than elsewhere.

BTW - in Cambodia, Thailand, and elsewhere, it's good you tell them up front you're not paying. However...that still doesn't mean they're not going to be a pain in the ass and pester you for money later. So don't be surprised if they do.
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Thailand Rockstar's experience is the same as mine, if I'm not mistaken Soraya shopping center is full of nighttime P4P bars, and I think that you are too trusting of these prostitutes who cleverly masquerade as 'civilian' girls. This kind of naivety is how guys end up marrying a 'sweet country girl' only to later find out she's an ex-hooker who had been servicing tourists for the past year.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fea...g-son.html

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He had met Ami at Phnom Penh’s Heart Of Darkness bar and they stayed in some of the city’s hotels. Jo says: “I can’t help but think that something bad happened to Ed — and I think Ami knows more than she is letting on.”

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- They seemed to love my shirt I was wearing. It was a cheap button up shirt I bought in Thailand but they loved it as they thought I was smart.
- There is a supermarket/corner shop by the soyra market and there are free samples of all the colognes and stuff like that. I would spray lots of the expensive samples on me then leave. Girls would constantly compliment me on my smell.

Did they also tell you 'I think you have good heart?'
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Quote: (06-02-2013 04:20 PM)Soma Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2013 10:59 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

http://www.cedonulli.com

I stumbled across his blog a month ago. Solid insights on SEA, though generally comes across a tad too cynical/negative/moody. Especially enjoyed reading about Cambodia and Vietnam. The Cambodia Retrospective is a good summary of his experiences and observations there.


Yeah I really like his stuff. There's definite negativity in it but I like how he can be self-aware around it. I think it's a good insight into the mindset that drives guys to go off the grid. He's also extremely "red pill" if we must use the term, in fact I think he probably got a bottle or two from a Cambodian pharmacy [Image: wink.gif]
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Quote: (06-02-2013 04:29 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

Thailand Rockstar's experience is the same as mine, if I'm not mistaken Soraya shopping center is full of nighttime P4P bars, and I think that you are too trusting of these prostitutes who cleverly masquerade as 'civilian' girls. This kind of naivety is how guys end up marrying a 'sweet country girl' only to later find out she's an ex-hooker who had been servicing tourists for the past year.

Well if you must know the details, the girl I was with who came to Siem Reap had only had 1 boyfriend and she had never performed oral on him. She gave me a blowjob for her first time. And damn right was she telling the truth. She was basically biting on my dick. Worst blowjob of my life. She was also very shy about getting naked. She wanted the lights off and didn't want me to eat her up - just wanted it to go straight in.
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Quote: (06-02-2013 05:15 PM)ravzanpat123 Wrote:  

Quote: (06-02-2013 04:29 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

Thailand Rockstar's experience is the same as mine, if I'm not mistaken Soraya shopping center is full of nighttime P4P bars, and I think that you are too trusting of these prostitutes who cleverly masquerade as 'civilian' girls. This kind of naivety is how guys end up marrying a 'sweet country girl' only to later find out she's an ex-hooker who had been servicing tourists for the past year.

Well if you must know the details, the girl I was with who came to Siem Reap had only had 1 boyfriend and she had never performed oral on him. She gave me a blowjob for her first time. And damn right was she telling the truth. She was basically biting on my dick. Worst blowjob of my life. She was also very shy about getting naked. She wanted the lights off and didn't want me to eat her up - just wanted it to go straight in.

Hey, who are we to disagree with your experiences? If everything is what you're saying, good. But I think most guys who have been to Cambo, myself included, have experienced the good girls who really aren't all that good. Don't put your heart out there to be stomped on.

I've had girls who said they only had one boyfriend, hated giving head or gave lousy head, and yet when they were squirting or getting pounded were screaming "Oh yes, fuck me!"

The girl I brought to Thailand had one boyfriend but she had been with him for three years. She knew how to fuck but I had to teach her how to suck cock and what to do with my load. As I said, with Cambodians you have to put the work in.

If she gave lousy head you should have jerked off in her mouth or on her face. Having a chicks mouth at your disposal is always a good thing, even if she gives lousy head. Viets tend to give excellent head, BTW.

She only had one boyfriend...maybe. But that doesn't necessarily mean she hasn't fucked fifty dudes who told her they wanted to be her boyfriend.

She was shy about getting naked? Some whores don't want you to see them naked so this means very little. Some of them are shy, others have stretch marks or are just self-conscious about their bodies.
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