[cardguy]

The other day I linked to an article which discussed a number of scandals and stories which have being mysteriously overlooked by the US media.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24180.html

One of the stories was to do with US POWs who were not returned after the Vietnam war. It is hard to estimate how many we are dealing with - but wikipedia gives the figure as around 1600. Whilst other intelligence sources say between 150 and 600.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_in_...ietnam_War

Anyway - the article discussed a story from a Pulitzer prize winning journalist. And it is a mystery as to why his story didn't get more coverage. It seems that the US government has systematically lied and covered up the fact that many US soldiers were still being held as POWs after the end of the Vietnam war.

Incredibly - John McCain has being instrumental in the cover up. Despite his whole political career being built on his being a war hero. The details are astonishing and fully laid out in the article.

So - I just wanted to pass along the story here since it is an interesting topic. And is the most shameful episode in US history. Even though it is yet to be officially acknowledged.

I have never seen Rambo. But a few years ago I became familiar with the plot. This led me to look into this issue. And I haven't thought much about it since. Dismissing such claims of POWs being abandoned by the government as a silly conspiracy theory.

But not any more. The article below is pretty conclusive.

Here is the story:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/a...-cover-up/

And here is a piece by the journalist giving an account of his struggle to bring this story to wider attention.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/a...treatment/

[Sebastian]

can you please summarize the story in 3 sentences?

[TheBlackNarwhal]

I find this easy to believe, actually. It would be beneficial to the NVA to keep American soldiers as prisoners to ensure the US pay back it's promised war reparations. We never did, so the NVA never gave us back our men. Must have been easier to say they were KIA or MIA then attempt to bring them home.

[renotime]

It's fairly well known that men were left behind. Not exactly what I would call a giant cover up.

Regardless, it's fucking shameful and atrocious.

Eric Haney, a former Delta Force operator wrote about this in his memoir.

He claims missions were planned to rescue a few hundred POWs in the early 80's, but were scrubbed b/c of some retired Green Beret publicizing efforts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War...2rescue.22

[cardguy]

I am still reading through alot of this stuff. But here is the main outline of what we are dealing with.

When Nixon signed the Peace Accords which ended the Vietnam war - he promised to pay Vietnam war reparations (around 4 billion dollars) in exchange for the repatriation of POWs. The same thing happened 20 years earlier when the French were driven out of Vietnam. Only after payment was received were the French POWs released.

Now - in the small print of the Peace Accords - it said that the consent of Congress would be needed before any money could be given to Vietnam. This seems to have alarmed Vietnam. And as such they publicly declared that there were only 591 POWs. Even though the US suspected that the true figure was much higher.

Anyway - Congress blocked those payments since they would be an admission of defeat. And America doesn't lose wars.

As a result - only 591 POWs (of which John McCain was one) were handed back to the US.

At the time it was believed by the US that the remainder of the POWs were being kept by the Vietnemse as a bargaining chip in order to demand full payment of the war reparations.

And with the money not forthcoming. And with Nixon on TV publicly declaring that all US POWs were now safely returned home - it became a sticky issue for both sides.

The US government didn't want to admit that they had left POWs behind. And the Vietnemese were still hoping to blackmail (via back channels) the US into giving them the money. Whilst at the same time were trying to re-normalise relations with the rest of the international community.

As such - countless evidence of US POWs has being systematically covered up (this evidence is described in the article above - along with cancelled rescue missions). And along the way - in the early 90's - John McCain has headed committees which has examined the issue of POWs who were left behind. And the reports produced by such committees is clearly a whitewash when the evidence is examined by any fair-minded person.

And for some reason - McCain has completely stonewalled the issue and refused to dig deeper into it. And has reacted angrily when challenged by officials and POW families involved. The article above believes that this is to help protect the actions of previous administrations. But - on a deeper level - is linked to the shame that John McCain feels due to the fact thet he was eventually broken by his torturers. And coming from a family of the highest ranked army personnel is still shamed by this. And is still worried about the release of the tape (which still exists) which is a recording of his confession, which he made to the Vietnemese, which is still stored along with the unreleased documents relating to this issue.

McCain's father and grandfather were some of the hghest ranked people in the military. And after being broken by his torturers - McCain attempted suicide twice whilst in the POW camp. So - this is an issue which is very sensitive to McCain. The reason the 'psychoanlysis' is necessary is because McCain explodes with rage when challenged on this issue.

This is the general outline of the story (written by a journalist who won the Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of the Vietnam war). Hope it is of use.

[A War You Cannot Win]

Absolutely disgusting. I don't know how to express how I feel about this. I don't have vocabulary to convey the maelstrom of emotions I felt reading the articles. Now I just feel hollow.

[cardguy]

To add to the above. Here is an important quote from the article:

Quote:

President Nixon sent a message on Feb. 2, 1973 to Hanoi’s Prime Minister Pham Van Dong saying, “U.S. records show there are 317 American military men unaccounted for in Laos and it is inconceivable that only ten of these men would be held prisoner in Laos.”

Nixon was right. It was inconceivable. Then why did the president, less than two months later, on March 29, 1973, announce on national television that “all of our American POWs are on their way home”?

On April 13, 1973, just after all 591 men on Hanoi’s official list had returned to American soil, the Pentagon got into step with the president and announced that there was no evidence of any further live prisoners in Indochina.

[cardguy]

Quote:

But an honest review of the full report, combined with the other documentary evidence, tells the story of a frustrated and angry president, and his national security adviser, furious at being thwarted at the peace table by a small, much less powerful country that refused to bow to Washington’s terms. That president seems to have swallowed hard and accepted a treaty that left probably hundreds of American prisoners in Hanoi’s hands, to be used as bargaining chips for reparations.

Maybe Nixon and Kissinger told themselves that they could get the prisoners home after some time had passed. But perhaps it proved too hard to undo a lie as big as this one. Washington said no prisoners were left behind, and Hanoi swore it had returned all of them. How could either side later admit it had lied? Time went by and as neither side budged, telling the truth became even more difficult and remote. The public would realize that Washington knew of the abandoned men all along. The truth, after men had been languishing in foul prison cells, could get people impeached or thrown in jail.

[cardguy]

This shit is real.

I find Alex Jones fun and all. But this is no internet crusader trying to work up a conspiracy theory.

Here are the credentials for the journalist of the above piece:

Quote:

Sydney Schanberg has been a journalist for nearly 50 years. The 1984 movie “The Killing Fields,” which won several Academy Awards, was based on his book The Death and Life of Dith Pran. In 1975, Schanberg was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for international reporting “at great risk.” He is also the recipient of two George Polk awards, two Overseas Press Club awards, and the Sigma Delta Chi prize for distinguished journalism.

Anyway - the above article is five years old. And should be much better known by now.

[cardguy]

The journalist comes to the conclusion that this story is too hot to touch for all the major news organisations.

Quote:

But back to the question of what would happen if a president suddenly brought those hidden documents into the light. My guess would be that hell could break loose. Some people might go to jail for violating the public trust and their oaths of office. There’s no statute of limitations on crimes like murder, and most of those abandoned prisoners are probably no longer alive. Those who began and continued the cover-up were surely accomplices in their deaths. At the very least, laws affecting the military would be rewritten. And the reputations of the people who played the largest roles would crumble all over the country—people such as Henry Kissinger, John McCain, John Kerry, and Dick Cheney, plus many others, including Pentagon chiefs, national security advisers, secretaries of state, intelligence chiefs, and so on.

Quote:

I would run through the long gamut of known intelligence—official radio intercepts of prisoners being moved to and from labor camps in Laos, satellite photos, conversations overheard by Secret Service agents inside the White House, ransom offers from Hanoi through third parties, sworn public testimony by three U.S. defense secretaries who served during the Vietnam era that “men were left behind.” The press wasn’t and isn’t interested.

[cardguy]

Actually this story might be completely wrong.

In the same magazine (in the same issue it seems) is another article completely debunking the above article:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/a...th-porter/

Not sure what to make of all this!

[vinman]

The major news organizations are in collusion with the U.S. Government. They just give the G's narrative.

[MHaes]

I don't think John mcCain woul have been ashamed that he broke. In SERE school, they teach you that you WILL break - its just a matter of time.

[cardguy]

Well - the tape recording of his confession was played on a continuous loop over the loudspeakers of the prison camp. In order to demoralise the rest of the prisoners there.

So - it is possible that his confession dug into his psyche more than it would for most people who have being 'broken'.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

So what happened to those POWs? Were they tortured and starved to death, or they converted to communism and went on to bang hot Vietnamese chicks? I'm pretty sure that's what I'd do upon realizing that my country has abandoned me like that.

[JimNortonFan]

Don't worry about John McCain.

He's got S&L money to make him feel better about himself.

S&L money to attract his blonde trophy wife.

[Capitán Peligroso]

(05-27-2013 02:38 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

Don't worry about John McCain.

He's got S&L money to make him feel better about himself.

S&L money to attract his blonde trophy wife.

If you view John McCain from the lens of "he is simply the most visible and famous lobbyist of The Military Industrial Complex" it is much easier to understand his behavior. Why do you think he is on Press the Meat every week? It's because he does exactly what he's supposed to be doing. The man is a tool.

[Therapsid]

(05-27-2013 10:02 PM)Capitán Peligroso Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 02:38 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

Don't worry about John McCain.

He's got S&L money to make him feel better about himself.

S&L money to attract his blonde trophy wife.

If you view John McCain from the lens of "he is simply the most visible and famous lobbyist of The Military Industrial Complex" it is much easier to understand his behavior. Why do you think he is on Press the Meat every week? It's because he does exactly what he's supposed to be doing. The man is a tool.

Yup. The news today is that McCain just clandestinely crossed over into Syria and met with rebel leaders.



That's right, the clown wants the U.S. to get involved in yet another Middle Eastern war. Nevermind that the Syrian rebels which McCain is collaborating with are mostly Salafi Sunni fundamentalists and that they employ the same repertoire of tactics including suicide bombing as America's supposed enemy in the War on Terror, Al Qaeda. What a joke.

[Capitán Peligroso]

Of course he does, that's what he's always done.

[Zak]

I wonder if any of these claimed (now elderly) POW's had high kill counts of the estimated 3,000,000 Vietnamese men, women and children killed by US forces during that horrific war against a nation of mostly peasant farmers who had never lifted a finger against the USA?

[cardguy]

Quote:

Jeremiah Denton is a retired United States Navy rear admiral, naval aviator and is famous for blinking his eyes in Morse code to spell out the word "T-O-R-T-U-R-E".

This was in 1966 during a North Vietnamese television interview that Denton was forced to give as a prisoner.

He ingeniously used the opportunity to communicate to American Intelligence. During the interview Denton blinked his eyes in Morse code to spell out the word "T-O-R-T-U-R-E" to communicate that his captors were torturing him and his fellow POWs.

He was also questioned about his support for the U.S. war in Vietnam, to which he replied: "I don't know what is happening, but whatever the position of my government is, I support it fully. Whatever the position of my government, I believe in it, yes sir. I am a member of that government, and it is my job to support it, and I will as long as I live."

For his continuous resistance and leadership, even in the face of torture and inhumane conditions, he would be awarded the Navy Cross. While imprisoned, Denton was promoted to the rank of Captain.

[Kingsley Davis]

The incident at the Gulf of Tonkin was a farce/cover up to begin with, you know like WMDs to initiate their agenda which always coincide with young prole men dying.