[WestIndianArchie]

(05-26-2013 06:39 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

FAQ:

Do you use the exact same type of game on every girl you meet? No matter if she is white, black, spanish, Indian, young, old, slutty or church girl?

No, I use the openers, hooks, routines, etc., that have worked for me and other males depending on the type of girl I am trying to bang.

If she is a nun I am a alter boy.

2 kinds of game? I just be myself.

On the one hand, I'm a different guy when i'm with my Grandma than I am with my colleagues at work or with a girl - but I don't become the Man from Costa Brava if I meet a Latina, or pretend to have some Okinawan in me if I meet a Japanese girl.

WIA

[Mage]

Smart girls.

I am a rather intellectual person with a wide variety of topics in my arsenal. It's easy for me to find something to hook up smart girls.

Dumb girls are a challenge for me. I don't know what to talk about with them, I cannot dumb my self down enough and these girls usually also don't interest me (often they scare me and repulse me) so I am not trying too hard either.

[Screwston]

Dumb girls are easier. Smart girls question me to much while dumb girls just follow your lead a lot easier. Smart girls try to be "witty" and always get into arguments about nothing. Samseau is on point like a missile. I would say on average, most smart girls can't be down to earth and laid back. They have to be bitchy, think they're right about everything and know all the answers. Most girls are like this but smart girls are on another level, especially if they're decent looking.

I feel bad for members on the east coast dealing with those rich, yuppie, snobs. Basically, I got the look of a thug but the mind of a genius (AC Chill) so I can try to work with both as long as they find me somewhat attractive...but of course I prefer the easier pussy. I guess me, mechanico and Samseau are the only ones who are targeting dumb bitches I hate serious having conversations with girls. I try to get things going as fast as possible without saying much.

[Screwston]

Maybe you guys aren't as funny and witty as you think if dumb girls aint laughing. My jokes are universal and made for every type of girl

[GenJx]

how are you guys judging if a girl is smart or dumb? i wonder if some are mistaking poor or rich for dumb or smart though there is probably a correlation. also about 3 of 4 women go to college after high school, its not the best way to measure intelligence

[Therapsid]

(05-27-2013 12:41 AM)GenJx Wrote:  

how are you guys judging if a girl is smart or dumb? i wonder if some are mistaking poor or rich for dumb or smart though there is probably a correlation. also about 3 of 4 women go to college after high school, its not the best way to measure intelligence

One of the easiest measures of intelligence is the size of a person's vocabulary. If you can't ascertain someone's rough cognitive ability from appearance, affect, and accent, the vocabulary they demonstrate in the first minute or two of conversation will be more than sufficient. My suspicion is that even the supposedly dumb girls guys are gaming are about average in intelligence.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-27-2013 12:41 AM)GenJx Wrote:  

how are you guys judging if a girl is smart or dumb? i wonder if some are mistaking poor or rich for dumb or smart though there is probably a correlation. also about 3 of 4 women go to college after high school, its not the best way to measure intelligence

I purposefully made it subjective, cause a discussion of what an intelligent girl is just going to run in circles about stupid cliches.

WIA

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

So what exactly qualifies as "dumb girl"? My line of reasoning is that most girls who get in college are not dumb (i.e. they don't have below average intelligence).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational...ted_States

Quote:

Educational attainment in the United States, Age 25 and Over (2012)
Education------------Percentage
High school graduate87.65%
Some college57.28%
Associate's and/or Bachelor's degree40.58%
Bachelor's degree30.94%
Master's degree8.05%
Doctorate or professional degree3.07%

Then on top of that...

Quote:

Overall, women have surpassed men in terms of completing secondary and post-secondary education with the gender gap almost completely reversed. In 2006, 10.3% of males and 8.3% of females dropped out of high school. In 2005/2006, women earned 62% of Associate's degrees, 58% of Bachelor's degrees, 60.0% of Master's degrees, and 48.9% of Doctorates.

Not only has the average US person at least been to college, for which at least average intelligence is needed, but most of those people are women. That would imply that well over 50% of women (about 70% by my estimate) count as "smart" (the fact that fields they graduate in are unemployable doesn't mean that intelligence isn't needed to graduate in them). Also, I'm pretty sure that the fact that almost all women have hamsters is not at odds with them being smart, i.e. being good at solving problems and communicating, finishing education, finding work and so on.

Then there is also this:

Quote:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/02/1...art-women/
We hypothesized that women’s intelligence, given an environment where women can use that intelligence to attain educational and career opportunities, would be: (1) positively related to their willingness to engage in short-term sexual relationships, (2) negatively related to their desire for qualities in a partner that indicated wealth and status, and (3) negatively related to their endorsement of traditional gender roles in romantic relationships. These predictions were supported.

In Samseau's two conversations, the first one, simply because she can follow complex innuendo, would be better classified as "smart girl" (i.e. average girl, following the estimate above) and the one above as "smart BITCHY girl". A dumb girl should be the third example, who just stares at you or ignores your witty teasing and instead starts telling you about something irrelevant.

Granted, there might be another case of different assumptions at work in the definition of "easy". By "easy" I mean a short timeline to sex, willingness to engage in casual sex and a mercenary approach to changing partners. For someone else, it might just mean how much game is needed to get her into bed, regardless of time involved.

What would these two girls be classified as on the smart-dumb/easy-hard axis?
http://www.tampabay.com/features/humanin...de/1109362

Finally, as WIA has said, all of this might be moot because he phrased the question as how smart the girl is in comparison to you. I'm certainly wiser than most women, but since I don't think I'm especially smart, that might explain why I give them so much credit

[eradicator]

(05-26-2013 07:28 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Nah, dumb girls are easier both to talk to and caveman. Dumb girl conversation:

Me: "How's it goin?"
Dumb girl: "Hi! I'm Erica!"
Me: "Nice to meet ya. Where you're from?"
Dumb girl: "<insert small town here>"
Me: "Damn, all the way from <town here>? You must be <random observation/cold read about that place>."
Her: "OMG? Why do you think that?"
Me: (looks at her menacingly) "Because... I know."
Her: (Smiling and giggling) "Hehe... you don't know anything about me!"

Game on.

Smart girl conversation:

Me: "How's it going?"
Smart girl: "Hi..." (looks at you suspiciously)
Me: "What you up to? You part of the birthday party?"
Smart girl: "Uh no, I didn't know there was a birthday here?"
Me: "Yeah, saw a ton of people taking shots earlier. You seem like you're in a festive mood, so I guessed you were part of it."
Her: "Why do I look festive? I'm really not that kind of girl." (Immediately feels insecure and pensive, typical smart girl behavior)
Me: "Don't worry about it. Where ya from?"
Her: "Oh, I'm from <insert big city here>."
Me: "Damn, why'd you come here? <Insert her town here> is more fun than this place."
Her: "Haha I know, but I got a really good job offer here. What about you? Where are you from?"
Me: "I'm from around here. I grew up here."
Her: "Really? No way, where?"
Me: "<Names my street intersection I grew up on>"
Her: "What? Those streets don't intersect!" (Typical smart girl talking about shit she KNOWS NOTHING about)
Me: "Uh, yeah they do."
Her: "I call bullshit."
Me: (At this point I'm hating her) "Want to make a bet?"
Her: "I don't know..."
Me: "If you're so confident, put your money where your mouth is. I will prove it to you right now with google maps and my smartphone."
Her: "I have my own smartphone! I can prove it myself."
Me: "If you're wrong, you owe me a drink." (Pulls out my smartphone, shows her the map and points out the intersection)
Her: (Looks at map in disbelief, then flicks me off)
Me: "You owe me a drink."

Game on? No thanks, I left this cunt without ever asking for the drink.

Additionally, dumb girls are easier for me to game with dance floor game than smart girls are. There is simply NO CONTEST between dumb girls and smart girls - dumb girls love dominant, manly behavior, whereas smart girls have been poisoned by feminism in school and exhibit cunt-like behavior.

Dumb girls are feminine, smart girls are masculine.

Dumb girls grow out their hair, smart gets get bob cuts.

Dumb girls wear short skirts and short shorts, smart girls wear jeans and dresses.

Dumb girls smile, smart girls have a chip on their shoulder.

Dumb girls love men, smart girls hate men.

(The above post only applies to America, although it's probably true of all Western countries.)

Samseu, I consider your to be a good poster but I disagree with you here. The girl you are calling 'smart' is just a dumb girl with an attitude problem. I would lump them together with girls that are below average snowflakes in physical attractiveness but still insist they should be treated like a 10. Maybe go to the bay area, you will find many of these women(or don't because unattractive/dumb women who feel entitled to be treated well are really never worth the effort)

Also, think back to your college days. You never knew any women that were at the top of all of their classes academically? Or who had a higher GPA and SAT scores than you?

Granted, these women can still have a very low social intelligence, which is maybe what you mean when you say you have never met a woman who is smarter than you- they have less life experience than you and less worldly.

I would suggest maybe clarifying the original post by changing "smart" to "well educated". A woman can still most definitely have a high social intelligence and never have finished college. Or have a high intellect(high I.Q. and graduated with honors from a top tier university) and still be very sheltered and have a low social intelligence.

[The Beast1]

This is a great post, i always wondered why i attracted smart girls.

I cannot game dumb girls. For whatever reason, i'm probably utilizing my game that puts them off. They need muscle and cavemen guidance.

Although they can't be too smart. I tend to attract careerist ladies (eg lawyers ick, doctors, engineers, etc). But if i head over into Cambridge we get the douchy types who are too far on the right side of the bell curve.

In college i dated an Ph.D (biomed engineering) and an MBA student at the same time. Both Cornell students.

In my experience, my game works best on above average intelligence career women. What sucks is, i'd rather pump and dump dumb girls since well they don't know any better. Problem solved on that end!

[Excelsior]

(05-27-2013 02:36 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Quote:

Overall, women have surpassed men in terms of completing secondary and post-secondary education with the gender gap almost completely reversed. In 2006, 10.3% of males and 8.3% of females dropped out of high school. In 2005/2006, women earned 62% of Associate's degrees, 58% of Bachelor's degrees, 60.0% of Master's degrees, and 48.9% of Doctorates.

Not only has the average US person at least been to college, for which at least average intelligence is needed, but most of those people are women. That would imply that well over 50% of women (about 70% by my estimate) count as "smart" (the fact that fields they graduate in are unemployable doesn't mean that intelligence isn't needed to graduate in them).

I think that's a problem right here: you're calling many girls who are merely average or above average "smart". This is a bit generous.

[samsamsam]

(05-26-2013 03:47 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

Smart girls by far, although all attractive girls seem dumb despite the fact that attractiveness is supposed to correlate with intelligence.

Can you clarify this comment? You claim attractiveness is supposed to correlate with intelligence. This is not my experience. Thanks.

[eradicator]

(05-27-2013 10:27 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 02:36 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Quote:

Overall, women have surpassed men in terms of completing secondary and post-secondary education with the gender gap almost completely reversed. In 2006, 10.3% of males and 8.3% of females dropped out of high school. In 2005/2006, women earned 62% of Associate's degrees, 58% of Bachelor's degrees, 60.0% of Master's degrees, and 48.9% of Doctorates.

Not only has the average US person at least been to college, for which at least average intelligence is needed, but most of those people are women. That would imply that well over 50% of women (about 70% by my estimate) count as "smart" (the fact that fields they graduate in are unemployable doesn't mean that intelligence isn't needed to graduate in them).

I think that's a problem right here: you're calling many girls who are merely average or above average "smart". This is a bit generous.

would you rather lump them in with the hood rats that never finished high school, even though they are clearly more educated?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(05-27-2013 11:02 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 03:47 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

Smart girls by far, although all attractive girls seem dumb despite the fact that attractiveness is supposed to correlate with intelligence.

Can you clarify this comment? You claim attractiveness is supposed to correlate with intelligence. This is not my experience. Thanks.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-...ntelligent

[Samseau]

We can get lost arguing over what is "smart" or "dumb," so let me put this as simply as possible:

The dumber a girl is relative to me, the easier I find it to game her.

Now, that said, there is a point where a girl can be "too dumb," like sub-90 IQ, in which case it might be really hard to have a normal conversation, but not necessarily. Far more important is if the girl in question is attracted to you, in which case a dumb girl will at least pretend to understand.

If you can talk to children, then you can talk with dumb girls.

[Doulos2Game]

(05-27-2013 12:41 AM)GenJx Wrote:  

how are you guys judging if a girl is smart or dumb? i wonder if some are mistaking poor or rich for dumb or smart though there is probably a correlation. also about 3 of 4 women go to college after high school, its not the best way to measure intelligence

It is unique to everyone. There isn't a measurement.To a rocket scientist "dumb" might be a girl who is a microbiologist or even worse "smart" might be a stripper.

Which in essence a stripper, hooker, prostitute etc., has more social intelligence than most of the men that pay them.

I don't see why a married man can't just game a few chicks here and there and keep them in rotation. Just need to make sure the other chicks know that he is marry. I know a couple of dudes that have 1-3 side chicks and are marry. But yet again these dudes have a very high social intelligence.

[MrXY]

Smart vs dumb is not a metric that means anything in terms of how easy a girl is to bang

There are smart (even brilliant ) sluts and smart prudes.; there are dumb sluts and dumb prudes

Personally, smart girls are much easier for me to bang simply because I have a hard time getting a vibe going or even communicating with someone who is maybe 40 to 60 IQ points below me-it's like we live in different worlds and speak different languages

But guys who are their IQ range and social milieu and have some game have no problem banging them, while they would seldom be able to bang a smart girl

[agorist]

Those who are of a similar intelligence level are going to be easier. Most on this forum are probably above average I feel awkward around dumber girls and I think that makes them feel awkward too. This comes from a lack of comfort and experience in interacting with them and relating to them.

[anythinggoes]

My methods rely heavily on the verbal aspect, so I find it hard to properly get dumb girls interested in me.
Smart girls often like me a lot, whereas dumb girls will just not get my type of humor, so I probably have to adapt better and make my game more universal. (this does not mean that I talk about difficult topics or make jokes about Schroedinger's cat...however differences can be seen even in trivial conversation starters).

I disagree with Samseau and Roosh, and I disagree with the widespread notion here that women are good for nothing, but only useful as a pair of breasts and ass.
I have met some very smart girls and I had deep conversations with them and I do not think there is much of a difference between the male and female ability to produce interesting thoughts. To say that "wisdom" is a male trait and women are incapable of ever saying something clever is bewildering to me.

The only problem I am having is to find girls that are smart _and_ beautiful. Pretty girls realize early on that their destiny does not depend on an A in mathematics, so they often lack incentives to put a lot of value on education. So if I were in the position to find more well educated, bright and beautiful girls, I would say that I probably have a better chance of having success with women.

[702antony]

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[NY Digital]

Lol @ college attendance being correlated with intelligence. Had a good laugh

[Vicious]

So obviously intelligence is not a factor in how easy a girl is, we experience them as easier by which group we easier connect with.

No surprise there.

[anythinggoes]

why should it not be? Correlation does not mean causation. On average intelligent people decide to study at an University, and you will probably find girls of higher intelligence at very good Universities, which does not necessarily mean however that a girl from Columbia is smarter than any girl at a Community College, but chances are high that she is at least not dumb if she got to study at such a prestigious institution.

[eradicator]

(05-28-2013 02:33 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Lol @ college attendance being correlated with intelligence. Had a good laugh

Having high test scores and high marks in high school equates to being smart academically- by definition.

That does not mean she has a high social intelligence or is well traveled or even open minded.

[kosko]

Dumb girls know the game and they only sniff out for top end Alphas. Smart girls are more nieve to game simply because they have had less exposure to it. Ambition and higher hormones in them helps also, they would be more likley to accept a first date lay or something I find.

In the swinging scenes here are run into a big chunk of nerdy ass girls. One I just was talking to last time just finished up school as a Nuro scientist, another time some EE broad whom was trained in classical piano and did shit at fancy music school in NYC.