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After taking the Red Pill, have you ever been tempted to go Blue Pill?
05-20-2013, 08:15 PM
Taking the Red Pill sometimes feels like if you aren't careful and balanced you could fall into an abyss.
Evolution is a fact. We are monkeys. Sacks of fluid. I can't live seeing people that way.
Sometimes I just look at women as sets of ovaries with faces to show off the kinds of genes that are in those ovaries and bodies that tell me how easily they could be impregnated. That's literally all I can see. I feel like a sociopath.
I sometimes space out and forget that women have personalities. I just think "Age? 20? Ok good eggs. Face? Good genes. Broad hips? Okay. Ready to be bred". I just need to see her smiling once to indicate that she would take good care of a young infant. Something in her face gives off that quality. She doesn't have to say a word.
If I was a religious guy, this wouldn't be so difficult for me. This is the genius of religion. It tells you about gender roles as simple wisdom and then gives you "immortality" to help you along too.
With this Red Pill shit I start reading all of these evolutionary psychology articles and just getting more and more depressed at the material reality and the finiteness. We just have death after this game is over. My head starts spinning. More and more I start to think that we arent supposed to see ourselves under microscopes. Delusion is necessary for happiness. Delusion can't go as far as feminism though or else we are all fucked. So where is the middle ground in this amoral process of life?
I think the reason feminism exists in intellectual circles is because smarter than average women hate seeing themselves as meat, and they try to explore alternatives. Nature is non-negotiable so they actually harm themselves by trying to stray from it, and they harm society too. Have we done a terrible thing by pushing back against religion? It was a perfect balance, or good enough.
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After taking the Red Pill, have you ever been tempted to go Blue Pill?
05-20-2013, 08:17 PM
Blue pill? No. Stray from the player lifestyle? Yeah. The game is never over.
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05-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Like gmac I always try to take a break from the game every once and a while.
Sometimes it's nice to just fuck around playing videogames (or whatever you want to do) for a bit to recharge your batteries.
Sometimes its nice to get some (controlled) otitis for a girl.
I wrote about it on rok, but everyone should take a break from negative stuff in the manosphere every once and a while. When you're constantly reading these stories about women doing shady things, dudes being angry and the repulsiveness of western women you start noticing those things in real life.
When you step back you see that things aren't as bad as you might perceive them to be.
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05-20-2013, 08:28 PM
I think the hardest part of the Red Pill is that if you're ever to maintain a long term relationship, you KNOW you will have to tell lies to yourself and to your partner as both of you age. This is something you have to come to terms with before you get married.
Blue Pill people don't know that they're lying, or they know and it just comes easier to them.
But being a Red Pill guy you would have to convince yourself that your 40 year old wife is still fertile in order to want to fuck her. You'd have to tell yourself "Look her hair looks nice,and her wrinkles don't show as much today thanks to her coverup, so she's fertile on the outside, and she is your wife. Come on stick it in".
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05-20-2013, 08:31 PM
I thought the idea behind the Red Pill was that once you took it, you could never go back? How do you un-remember things?
Not being a dick, I know what you meant by it. But I honestly think whatever lead you to accepting Red Pill keeps you from going back to swallow the Blue one. Can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.
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05-20-2013, 08:33 PM
Quote: (05-20-2013 08:28 PM)ghostdog Wrote:
I think the hardest part of the Red Pill is that if you're ever to maintain a long term relationship, you KNOW you will have to tell lies to yourself and to your partner as both of you age. This is something you have to come to terms with before you get married.
Blue Pill people don't know that they're lying, or they know and it just comes easier to them.
But being a Red Pill guy you would have to convince yourself that your 40 year old wife is still fertile in order to want to fuck her. You'd have to tell yourself "Look her hair looks nice,and her wrinkles don't show as much today thanks to her coverup, so she's fertile on the outside, and she is your wife. Come on stick it in".
The most interesting thing I find is this "attractiveness bubble" that seems to increase as I age. Women in their 30s that I might have been repulsed by 10 years ago are suddenly more attractive to me. That's not to say that it's okay for a woman to let herself go, but it's enough for me to realize that I might actually be attracted to a partner in my 50s or older. Perceptions change, as do priorities. That's part of being a man.
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05-20-2013, 08:49 PM
Quote: (05-20-2013 08:39 PM)ghostdog Wrote:
Quote: (05-20-2013 08:33 PM)Gmac Wrote:
Quote: (05-20-2013 08:28 PM)ghostdog Wrote:
I think the hardest part of the Red Pill is that if you're ever to maintain a long term relationship, you KNOW you will have to tell lies to yourself and to your partner as both of you age. This is something you have to come to terms with before you get married.
Blue Pill people don't know that they're lying, or they know and it just comes easier to them.
But being a Red Pill guy you would have to convince yourself that your 40 year old wife is still fertile in order to want to fuck her. You'd have to tell yourself "Look her hair looks nice,and her wrinkles don't show as much today thanks to her coverup, so she's fertile on the outside, and she is your wife. Come on stick it in".
The most interesting thing I find is this "attractiveness bubble" that seems to increase as I age. Women in their 30s that I might have been repulsed by 10 years ago are suddenly more attractive to me. That's not to say that it's okay for a woman to let herself go, but it's enough for me to realize that I might actually be attracted to a partner in my 50s or older. Perceptions change, as do priorities. That's part of being a man.
Are you sure that isn't just about how your playing field changes as you get older? You're still wired to want the youngest.
I'm not attracted to 45 year olds now. Even really fit 45 year olds bother me because I know they're not fertile and they produce kids with downs.
How would I ever be attracted to my 45 year old wife? My 55 year old wife?
Such depressing thoughts.
I'm wired to want the youngest? Sure, I'm attracted to 18 year olds, but I can't fucking stand them. I'm nearly 30, and the last thing I want to do is waste time listening to some kid just so I can bang them (wow, reading that makes me sound old to myself). Some players seek out the most fertile and attractive women to fuck, while others prefer those attractive ones that intrigue and/or interest them... or more importantly, don't annoy or disgust them.
If I settle down and marry, why would I care about how fertile my wife is? At that point you've either had kids already or don't plan to... so I don't understand your argument. Fertility isn't important to me.
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05-20-2013, 09:24 PM
I suspect that as you get older and the "soft-harem/foreign-bangathon" opportunities start getting more difficult and/or slipping away, and girls in their prime (~16 to ~25) seem evermore elusive and foreign, you'll probably find it increasingly easier to rationalize "Blue Pill" thoughts to yourself. Especially if you somehow have a daughter along the way.
We here actively try to tailor our lifestyles to fit our beliefs. But sometimes, our beliefs mold to fit our lifestyles--hence why Blue Pill thoughts are so popular, as they're ego-saving palliatives for everyone from hapless guys to aging spinsters.
We often see posts on here that go something like "damn, if I could only go back in time to mentor a younger version of myself."
The next iteration might be "damn, if only I could travel forward in time to make sure a future version of myself doesn't regress," or "damn, if only I could bring forward a past version of myself to give present me a pep-talk."
Not everyone, of course. We have several members here living incredible lifestyles well into their middle-ages.
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05-20-2013, 09:33 PM
My dad was married for nearly 20 years. He's always been a very smart guy who stayed in great shape, and his career recently took him to rockstar status. He spent his late thirties and all of his forties dating non-stop and banging all ranges of women, all the while stringing along a few in LTRs. He's nearly sixty now and he's my best friend. Does he care about fertility? Hell no. He's tired of dating (and fucking) women that he's not romantically, physically, or emotionally compatible with. Bottom line, he's lonely and wants companionship. Unfortunately, he's old and can't seem to find the right combination.
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05-20-2013, 09:54 PM
Red pill, blue pill, liberal, conservative are all inaccurate, sometimes usable shorthand terms that don't directly map to particular, physically real things which are uniform across individuals. In other words, "red" is pretty real-- a particular set of light bandwidths. "Red Pill" is highly subjective.
This concept is called "reification". This is mistaking an abstraction for a real, physical thing.
Something like a particular individual's erectile response to 18 year old girls would be measurable, but then again it would vary with the particular girl of course, the state of mind/health the guy being measured, etc.
This leads to endless, somewhat pointless arguments about whether a particular word or concept-- which isn't even really the same thing to both people discussing it-- is "true."
As far as the whole fertility attraction thing, as I'm going through my 50's I do see I am still almost only attracted to women who appear fertile. The girls I am MOST attracted to are almost exactly the same age as when I was 24 or 27.
An 18 year old could have 12 of my children whereas a 35 year old might only be able to have 2.
However, I think if a woman was loyal to me for years, gave me children, and took care of them and me, and maintained her looks fairly well, I could certainly see having sex with her as an expression of affection and joy and not be feeling ice cold because my body knew she wasn't fertile.
Even in total ruthless evolutionary terms, your affection to an now-infertile mother of your children could have a function of maintaining her health and, resultantly, her ability to continue to care for the growing children. As well it would help continue to maintain your social network support in the tribe. In terms of evolution, I don't think the anonymous, urban , nuclear family model has dictated much of our evolution.
We are still designed to exist in a social network, although many PUA people are probably less wired than others to be high-attachment neurologically.
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05-20-2013, 10:39 PM
It happens all the time. You see it on the newbie forum but also on the game forum. It's so cliche it's the basis of many a hollywood flick.
Nerd finds game.
Nerd eats better, works out, dresses better, becomes more social and most of starts living life on his terms.
Nerd runs through average chicks, better than average chicks, regularly messes with chicks he could only dream about.
Then he runs across some chick that is in his mind "objectively" different.
Eases back on his alpha, and before you know it, he's holding a purse @ Bed Bath and Beyond.
Some may end up in full beta, then get devastated.
Sometimes the desire to get back out there in the hunt is what happens, and you have to fuck over a good chick.
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