[Nomad77]

Ok, I want to get a feel for how much of an issue flaking is in the US. I also want to know if you are operating in a big city like Miami or NY or a smaller city or suburb. I want to see what I am experiencing and hearing from others here in Miami is a Miami problem or if this is a US problem.

According to Gio, he doesn't have a flaking problem out in SF. I only know about Miami so I can't talk about anywhere else.

* A critical reason would be her car broke down or she had a medical emergency.

Out of my last five dates, three flaked:

One wanted to change plans and have us hang with her friends at the last minute.
One was tired and wanted to reschedule.
One didn't show up to this event we were suppose to meet up at.

Now these were all American girls. I usually don't have a flaking problem with foreign girls in the US.
(Providing they haven't been living here for more than 6 months.)

This is based on this other thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20079-...#pid450794

[Doulos2Game]

Where is the poll option?

I think you are on to something big. We might be able to collect enough

data to know which interaction is by far the worst.

[Nomad77]

At the top of this thread.

[thegmanifesto]

You need a bigger sample size than 5 to draw any real conclusions.

[Nomad77]

Yes, but if enough of us answers it, it will give a valid indication.

[Doulos2Game]

(05-20-2013 05:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

You need a bigger sample size than 5 to draw any real conclusions.

Also you need to specify in the forum what each number means. I know you wrote it in the other thread but write it here.

Start big then go smaller. Start with a 1-10 level and depending on what your results are then you will start getting a better field of what is really affecting flaking the most.

This doesn't mean that flaking will stop, but it can be decrease a bit more.

[Broadband]

I can't remember the last time I was flaked on. There have been very few times something legitimate came up, but I was informed more than 24 hours in advance and rescheduled without a problem every time.

[Christian McQueen]

I rarely do 'dates' anymore, but I would say I get 'flaked' on almost twice a week. LA baby ha.

I don't think about it much though because I double and triple book. My idea of a date is pretty lax as well.

Ex: I'm going to be at XYZ club, come have a drink with me, or, I'm headed to Joe Blow's house for afterparty, we still on?

I consider it a flake IF they confirm to meet up and back out, disappear or try to change the plans.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-20-2013 05:43 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 05:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

You need a bigger sample size than 5 to draw any real conclusions.

Also you need to specify in the forum what each number means. I know you wrote it in the other thread but write it here.

Start big then go smaller. Start with a 1-10 level and depending on what your results are then you will start getting a better field of what is really affecting flaking the most.

This doesn't mean that flaking will stop, but it can be decrease a bit more.

Also we need to specify who is setting up dates by text and who is by phone.

Texters are going to get flaked on at an extremely high rate.

[Doulos2Game]

(05-20-2013 06:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 05:43 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 05:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

You need a bigger sample size than 5 to draw any real conclusions.

Also you need to specify in the forum what each number means. I know you wrote it in the other thread but write it here.

Start big then go smaller. Start with a 1-10 level and depending on what your results are then you will start getting a better field of what is really affecting flaking the most.

This doesn't mean that flaking will stop, but it can be decrease a bit more.

Also we need to specify who is setting up dates by text and who is by phone.

Texters are going to get flaked on at an extremely high rate.

I am with you on that one. A girl can perceive a "Hey whats up?" text many different ways.

She can perceive the whole conversation a lot clearer:

1-She likes you
2-She doesn't

Technology has made it harder for us players to get our point across to girls.
Before the smartphone a girl knew what you wanted out of her right away.
Now she doesn't know if your 30 "likes" in the past 2 days mean that you want "a relationship" or you just want some "ass".

[Nomad77]

Ok, there are a lot of factors that can affect this. We would have to narrow things down in steps. First, I want to see if the location and city size has any significant impact. McQueen said he get a lot of flakes out in LA. LA and Miami are comparable cities. Broadband (I don't know his city) and Gio (SF) said they rarely get flaked on.

I know other guys here in Miami have complained about flaking so it's not just me.

G I am going to make a point of setting up my next few dates by phone instead of text and see if that makes any difference.

[Nomad77]

There are a lot of threads and posts on here about flaking. So I have to assume it's something a lot of guys on here experience often.
Maybe guys like Gio and Broadband are the exception not the norm. And it would be good to know why. Is it something they are doing or is
it just their location or the type of girls the go after?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-23761.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-12137....ght=flakey

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-16581....ght=flakey

[Nomad77]

Not a lot of input so far BUT 60% appears to not have a problem with flaking. Their flake ratio is under 20% which is good but the sample size is way too small and I don't know their location. Just based on deductive reasoning, location would play a big role in flaking. In Europe, I don't have a flaking problem. Europeans take meeting people more seriously than Americans do. A girl in a small city with less options will also be much more likely to flake than a girl in a big city with more options. Of course, the more attraction and status you build with a girl the less likely she is to flake. The quality of the girl is also important, high quality = more options = higher probability to flake.

[aphelion]

I was going to suggest this but wasn't sure how to control the variables. I think we should get several hundred dates' worth of information and analyze the results.

Just from being here in Poland, I have been completely flaked on zero times. Had two reschedules, once because of a bad period (she sent frowny faces and offered multiple options on the reschedule date) and one offered an alternate date after I gave her an open option to reschedule or not to worry about it. In all cases, they came through the second time.

American women may not be the worst, but it's not a long drop to the bottom.

[Doulos2Game]

Steps to reduce flaking;

1- Call don't text ( When you are doing your pick say: "I will call you better I don't text much")

If she has problem with talking on the phone then she is really not that into you.

2-Make a connection (In the pickup make sure she is also trying to get to know you)

If she doesn't seem interested then guess what, she isn't interested.

3-Filter wisely ( In the pickup make sure you are not talking to a party girl)

I know what your thinking; "Party girls are the best" WRONG

Party girls flake the most, there is a reason they are PARTY GIRLS not go on a date girls.

4-Know your place

Don't set up first dates on a weekend. Hot girls want to be out with friends taking pictures in a club, drunk with their girlfriends.

5-Location is key

Don't set up a date where it would be hard for her to get to you and most importantly to get away from you.

Girls want the option of being able to leave if anything goes wrong.

A date in the middle of nowhere is not a good idea.

[Nomad77]

I have also noticed that when you call a girl she is much less likely to have an attitude or play games on the phone than when she is texting. It's much harder to also lie or BS on the phone than texting. They basically have to get more real on the phone but then again, so do you.

[NYJ]

Last two chicks have flaked on me. Both times they did(including 1 today) it was actually very early in the day too. I live at the Jersey Shore. There was a stretch last year though where 3 in a row met up with me. Throughout my entire history of gaming it's been very streaky. I'll get a few meetups in a row and then several flakes in a row. Never on and off.

[Nomad77]

"...today you have to fuck her. That's right - to get a first date you have to already have had the one-night stand with her. This is the ONLY way I've found that decreases flaking to an acceptable level..." Roosh - The Future of Game

[thegmanifesto]

(05-21-2013 02:41 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I have also noticed that when you call a girl she is much less likely to have an attitude or play games on the phone than when she is texting. It's much harder to also lie or BS on the phone than texting. They basically have to get more real on the phone but then again, so do you.

Finally.

A revelation.

[Nomad77]

Ok, I am seeing a pattern here and am getting better results. The more assertive I am with a woman the less likely she is to flake. You have to be really assertive with women today almost to the point of where you are telling them what to do.

The greater the assertiveness the greater the compliance and the less flaking you will get.

[anabolics]

I can just see how this forum have the most advanced players on US. There's no mistake. We are not keyboard jockeys.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-02-2013 12:35 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Ok, I am seeing a pattern here and am getting better results. The more assertive I am with a woman the less likely she is to flake. You have to be really assertive with women today almost to the point of where you are telling them what to do.

The greater the assertiveness the greater the compliance and the less flaking you will get.

Oh, 100%.

I talk like to girls like this from the first time I meet them:

"Put your number in my phone" (hand over phone)

"Come with me to have a drink at the bar" (Grab girls hand)

"Let's go have a cigarette" (Grab girls had to go to smoking area)

On phone, setting up first date:

"I am taking you out on Wed night"

And so on...

There is a lot of rapport and joking and laughing between these things, but when you need to make a move, it has to be in a definitive statement.