[Hades]

One thing I can't understand about shows with male homosexuality as a main theme is that the entire fanbase is women with a smaller subset of twinks. What do women get out of watching a show about gay men?

[EisenBarde]

I don't even plan on getting married, so whatever.

[sheesh]

(05-15-2013 07:08 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 01:18 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 11:50 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

The Christians I speak to about this subject have no problem with them getting a "civil union". But are completely against it being called marriage.

I think that's a valid point.

I'm Christian, coming from and living in the the motherland of Protestantism ( i.e. Germany) and I have no problem with gay marriage.

good for you.

It doesn't even matter what the Bible says about homosexuality. Thankfully laws are made by the people and not based on the bible.

[Samseau]

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

[j r]

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

Right. And if we legalize marijuana, all of our young people will become reefer addicts and end up getting corrupted by negro jazz musicians.

I'm just speaking for me. It's no meme. I don't care what other people do with their lives. If some dude wants to marry the girl from down te block, buy a split-level ranch and sell insurance until he drops dead at 65, good for him. I don't care. Likewise, if he wants to put on a pair of leather chaps and hang out at warehouse parties doing poppers and crystal meth, while blowing other dudes two-at-a-time, I really dot care.

I know myself and what I want out of life, so when people tell me what I should and shouldn't do, I mostly just stare at them and nod. Why should I pretend to know what's best for other people?

[NY Digital]

Because it affects society. It does affect everyone. Butterfly effect. The flap of a butterfly's wings can change a lot. Something like this is even more pronounced.

The problem is the culture influencing the rest of it. They want to be gay? Fine.
Don't let them get married though.

[Samseau]

(05-16-2013 11:58 AM)j r Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

Right. And if we legalize marijuana, all of our young people will become reefer addicts and end up getting corrupted by negro jazz musicians.

I'm just speaking for me. It's no meme. I don't care what other people do with their lives. If some dude wants to marry the girl from down te block, buy a split-level ranch and sell insurance until he drops dead at 65, good for him. I don't care. Likewise, if he wants to put on a pair of leather chaps and hang out at warehouse parties doing poppers and crystal meth, while blowing other dudes two-at-a-time, I really dot care.

I know myself and what I want out of life, so when people tell me what I should and shouldn't do, I mostly just stare at them and nod. Why should I pretend to know what's best for other people?

It's not a big deal if you don't want kids. But if you want to raise your children in a neighborhood without filth and debauchery you better make sure they're aren't too many gays around.

[sheesh]

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

But isn't gay marriage all about living in a stable relationship and being faithful ? I suspect those who want marriage are not the ones who fuck around.

Besides, we shouldn't impose double standards. This site is all about having as many sex partners possible, even raw dogging is a frequent theme here, but we are pointing the finger at gays for doing the same thing ?

[NY Digital]

(05-16-2013 03:11 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Besides, we shouldn't impose double standards. This site is all about having as many sex partners possible, even raw dogging is a frequent theme here, but we are pointing the finger at gays for doing the same thing ?

[Dexter Morgan]

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

You sure know a lot about gay sex, Samseau!

[Dexter Morgan]

(05-15-2013 09:26 PM)Dexter Morgan Wrote:  

Gay marriage is a matter of fairness. Because right now, gays have a right the rest of DON'T have: The right to not get married! How cool would it be if you could say to your girlfriend "Oh, yeah, honey, I'd LOVE to get married - but we can't! It's against the law!" No straight guy has that option. Why should gays get off this easy??

I'm for gay marriage because gays should have to experience the same misery the rest of us did!

Gee, I thought this was my best post...where's the love??

Can't a brotha get a "like"??

[Samseau]

(05-16-2013 03:11 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

But isn't gay marriage all about living in a stable relationship and being faithful ? I suspect those who want marriage are not the ones who fuck around.

There's no such thing as a faithful gay. Lesbians, yes, gays, no. Moreover, gay marriage is part of a cultural agenda designed to make men feel more comfortable with being gay and doing gay acts.



It's all part of the same agenda. Now, young, impressionable boys in middle school, who are being fed bullshit about how wonderful homosexuality is, will be much more open to experimenting on it while they are young. Many will try anal sex with other boys and then what would have been a normal, straight, healthy male becomes either a "pure" gay or bisexual.

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Besides, we shouldn't impose double standards. This site is all about having as many sex partners possible, even raw dogging is a frequent theme here, but we are pointing the finger at gays for doing the same thing ?

The first difference is that vaginal sex does not incubate STD's at nearly the same rate that anal sex does, and the other difference is that gays have 10x as many partners as straights do.

One gay told me that 30 partners by the age of 24 was basically "virginal." Take that as you will.

[Wutang]

The Red Queen by Matt Riddley; a book that's been recommended over and over again in the PUA community quotes a study done on gays and lesbians in the San Francisco area. The gays had a ridiculous amount of sex partners over a lifetime while the lesbians were typically in the single digits. Why don't you see heterosexual men rack up similar numbers? It's because chicks aren't going along with the program, unless the man in question is an alpha. With homosexual men, they are going after other homosexual guys looking for the same thing so their desires are coinciding - hence the rampant butt secks in that particular subculture. Just shows how picky girls are while guys will pretty much bang anything with 2 legs and it validates a lot of game theory.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

Samseau & I have clashed over our opinions before but I have to admit that he's on the money regarding homosexuality. As for gay marriage I find it to be detestable & one of the greatest fuck-yous that fags can give to society. To them gay marriage is like the ultimate sign of defiance that they can do whatever they want. I understand homosexuality has been present since practically the beginning of time but it was, & still is, considered a great sin & abomination & was dealt with swiftly when encountered. Just look at the bible & you'll see plenty of examples. The reason being that if homosexuals werent eliminated or dealt with immediately they would corrupt others. Look through history books & you'll see many times homosexuality being frowned upon & punished. Even the Founding Fathers of the USA were against homosexuality. George Washington would court martial gays & Thomas Jefferson authored a bill to castrate homosexuals. I'd like to see their faces now if they could witness what the USA has become.

[TheBulldozer]

I'd argue conversely that, I don't care how much gay acceptance I get shoved down my throat, no pun intended, that I'd still have NO interest in even exploring my sexuality in that way. Since the beginning of time, I've found women to be the reason I'm on planet Earth, and men to be completely unattractive. I've never even thought about the possibility of a man. I can't see how a heterosexual person would experiment regardless of how accepted homosexuality is.

I think the social aspects you guys have brought up about homosexuality are interesting and thought provoking, however.

[Therapsid]

It'd be worthwhile to study how many homosexual or bisexual men have sex with other men because otherwise they'd be involuntary celibates under today's hypergamous sexual market.

My suspicion is that some beta or omega guys are tempted into gay sex as a desperate last ditch outlet for sex and affection. But how many and is it an appreciable percentage of ostensibly gay and bisexual men in general?

[kosko]

(05-16-2013 03:11 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

But isn't gay marriage all about living in a stable relationship and being faithful ? I suspect those who want marriage are not the ones who fuck around.

Besides, we shouldn't impose double standards. This site is all about having as many sex partners possible, even raw dogging is a frequent theme here, but we are pointing the finger at gays for doing the same thing ?

The gay rate of divorce is nearly double for hetro couples which is nearly at 50%. Gays also have infidelity rates way higher then hetro couples. Spousal abuse, yup higher.

I can go on and on. Case in point gays are self destructing. They are hard wired to be more risky as thy hold no long term value to nature. Call me a bigot but nature always wins. Gays are more prone to danger and risk as natures way of weeding them out. I could care less f they want legal unions but once you start talking about children I get extremely vocal. They have no reason to raise children. Period.

[clever alias]

(05-16-2013 11:54 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 03:11 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem with gay marriage and promoting gay interests is that you are spreading

- HIV and tons of other STD's
- Drug abuse (gays abuse drugs more than any other culture)
- Prostitution
- And more gays.


People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.

And because gays only have anal sex, it spreads massive amounts of STD's. Condoms are not effective because anal sex tends to tear condoms.

Gays also have large amounts of disposable income with no children to spend it on, which usually translates to: gambling, drug abuse (alcoholism is a big one), and prostitution.

Prostitution is especially a big one - I've heard stories from some older gay men about how they successfully lured "straight" boys (age range: as young as they can get) to let them suck their cocks for cash or other disgusting acts. Remember, in the gay world, the only thing that matters is youth and beauty. Once a gay man passes 30, he's labeled as used goods and starts to get less attention. After 40, if he wants to fuck anyone in the 20's or below, he's paying for it.

So enough with the "there's nothing wrong with gay marriage" meme. It's totally ignorant of how gays live.

But isn't gay marriage all about living in a stable relationship and being faithful ? I suspect those who want marriage are not the ones who fuck around.

Besides, we shouldn't impose double standards. This site is all about having as many sex partners possible, even raw dogging is a frequent theme here, but we are pointing the finger at gays for doing the same thing ?

The gay rate of divorce is nearly double for hetro couples which is nearly at 50%. Gays also have infidelity rates way higher then hetro couples. Spousal abuse, yup higher.

I can go on and on. Case in point gays are self destructing. They are hard wired to be more risky as thy hold no long term value to nature. Call me a bigot but nature always wins. Gays are more prone to danger and risk as natures way of weeding them out. I could care less f they want legal unions but once you start talking about children I get extremely vocal. They have no reason to raise children. Period.

hoq can gays have a divorce rate double that of heteros if:
1) heteros have a divorce rate of 50% (so all gays divorce?)
2) gays cant really get married

also, gays having a higher std raye is totally probanle, but marriage would lower that by promoting monogamy.
as for drug use rates, im skeptical. besides, thays like saying blacks have higher drug use and std rates than whites, we cant promote their culture. i mean coming from a forum that openly admits to liking raw dogging and that std are "part of the game," thay excuse seems weak.
and yea, fucking a little boy in the ass would screw him up. so would fucking a lottle girl in the ass. fucking anyone wjo doesnt want to be fucked in thw ass would screw him up

[NY Digital]

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

[jaakkeli]

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

Oh please. If you're conservative, it's PC to be against gay marriage and you'll be shouted down with nonsensical arguments meant only to make you conform to your group ideals if you try to disagree; if you're liberal it's PC to be for gay marriage and otherwise everything is exactly the same. If like me you come from a *very* solidly right-wing background, it's a lot of fun being the anti-conformist heretic and not be against gay marriage.

Since it's one of those issues that do not actually matter one bit either way that's all there really is to it.

(Personally I would simply eliminate marriage laws altogether and allow people complete freedom to make sexual contracts but that's never going to happen...)

[sheesh]

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

It's first and foremost about tolerance, period. Letting people live their lives just the way they want to even if you don't like it or can't understand it.

I'm not afraid of gays, gay culture etc. as I know where I stand. I've had gay colleagues, tv is full of gay people these days, Germany has a gay foreign minister and several other gay politicians and yet I don't feel the slightest urge to bang other dudes, wear pink blazers or paint my toe nails. Live and let live.


People against gay marriage more likely are the ones who are scared of the complexity of society and the world and think they have the right to impose their narrow beliefs onto others.

Gay marriage has been around in Denmark and the Neterhlands for a while now and I don't think dudes are "converting" in masses or little boys being gay raped yada yada, these horror scenarios are just nonsense.

[clever alias]

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

thats as weak an answer as me just saying your opposition is homphobia
it does not matter. the fabric of society will be 99% unchanged, and everyone is convinced this is a big butt sex conspiracy

[NY Digital]

(05-17-2013 09:12 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

thats as weak an answer as me just saying your opposition is homphobia
it does not matter. the fabric of society will be 99% unchanged, and everyone is convinced this is a big butt sex conspiracy

lol.

You have successfully made this thread pointless.

[clever alias]

(05-17-2013 09:16 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:12 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

thats as weak an answer as me just saying your opposition is homphobia
it does not matter. the fabric of society will be 99% unchanged, and everyone is convinced this is a big butt sex conspiracy

lol.

You have successfully made this thread pointless.

in that case glad to be of service, i was getting bored ofthe endless "its not natural" bullshit .

[Samseau]

I like how clever alias and sheesh ignored my strong arguments in favor of picking on guys with zero arguments. Smells like a to me.