[Akula]

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

+1

gay marriage is just plain silly. It's politically correct progressive bs being shopped ad infinitum to the masses by our sh*tty police state western "democracies" through both government entities and the mainstream media.

It's also a Trojan Horse for gay adoption which I think is also a dumb idea - I don't know why we're supposed to support that, it's neither very natural or rationale in my opinion (not that too many gay couples adopt anyway). If we're doing that then f*cking a let's just allow polygamy and mass rearing of children by the state and get on with it.

Frankly I don't know why people would be married unless they plan to have kids, nor why the state would or needs to support marriage unless it's for the benefit of a man and a woman raising their biological children. We seem to go on and on on this forum bashing the (admittedly crazy) idea that there is some (or one) special person out there for you, like in one of those awful Kay Jewelers/Zales diamond commercials, and rail against the beta men foolishly trying to find there 'one true love' (and righfully so in my mind). But oh look when we switch it to two gays who biologically literally cannot have children want to do it it somehow it becomes ok to some people, all in the name of 'equality' and 'fairness'?? WTF?

[solo]

Personally I don't really care if gays can marry or not, ideologically I don't see why the government has any business at all deciding who marries who. My main problem is countries legalizing gay marriage without also legalizing polygamy. That tells me it's not really about freedom, but primarily about sucking up to gays. I would use the legalization of gay marriage as leverage to promote the legalization of polygamy.

[Therapsid]

(05-17-2013 11:17 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 12:15 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

clever alias, you and the other posters supporting it seem to keep bringing up the same, monotonous points.

supporting gay marriage is just being politically correct.

+1

gay marriage is just plain silly. It's politically correct progressive bs being shopped ad infinitum to the masses by our sh*tty police state western "democracies" through both government entities and the mainstream media.

It's also a Trojan Horse for gay adoption which I think is also a dumb idea - I don't know why we're supposed to support that, it's neither very natural or rationale in my opinion (not that too many gay couples adopt anyway). If we're doing that then f*cking a let's just allow polygamy and mass rearing of children by the state and get on with it.

Frankly I don't know why people would be married unless they plan to have kids, nor why the state would or needs to support it. We seem to go on and on on this forum bashing the (admittedly crazy) idea that there is some (or one) special person out there for you, like in one of those awful Zales diamond commercials, and rail against the beta men foolishly trying to find there 'one true love' (and righfully so in my mind). But oh look when we switch it to two gays who biologically literally cannot have children want to do it it somehow it becomes ok to some people, all in the name of 'equality' and 'fairness'?? WTF?

Gay adoption's already here. In most states in the U.S. same-sex couples can petition to adopt as a couple. Even in those states where there's no law granting same sex couples a right to adopt a judge can grant them an adoption anyway. Also, a clear majority of Americans when polled support gay adoption. It's not even a left-wing position at this point - many conservatives like Paul Ryan have come out in favor of gay marriage. Yes, the West is lost.

But it's no surprise - the same television shows and movies that promote gay marriage also frequently depict gay men raising children. When the history of the homosexual frenzy of the the early 2000's is written, much of the blame will be put on the sitcom Modern Family.

[Samseau]

By the time we are 50 years old "gay culture" will be huge in America, even bigger than it is now. AIDS will be rampant, along with drug abuse and prostitution.

And the liberals will be like, "But no one could have foreseen this..."

[Timoteo]

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It's also a Trojan Horse for gay adoption which I think is also a dumb idea - I don't know why we're supposed to support that, it's neither very natural or rationale in my opinion (not that too many gay couples adopt anyway). If we're doing that then f*cking a let's just allow polygamy and mass rearing of children by the state and get on with it.

It isn't a Trojan Horse. Long before the marriage debate, gay couples have been adopting children, or definitely trying to. We're used to celebrity gay couples (usually female) doing this, because their status can get them pretty much what they want due to their ability to provide children with certain necessities and quality of life. However, there gay couples out there that have adopted kids. Others get around possible adoption hurdles by having their own kids via donated sperm from either banks, or a male friend. Next, you'll see gay women have a sperm created from the cells of one partner to inseminate the other, so the child will biologically belong to both partners (I believe someone posted a thread about the creation of such a sperm). Ricky Martin, a single gay man, had a surrogate deliver him twins. Gay marriage is either in conjunction with, and even following, some of these other trends in the gay community.

[PoosyWrecker]

(05-16-2013 11:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

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People think gays are just biological. Certainly there are some. But gayness can be spread to young boys if you fuck them in the ass when they are going through puberty. At the very least, they will become bisexual.
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This is something that's almost never mentioned in mainstream media. On Loveline (a relationship and sex radio show whose hosts have talked to thousands of callers) I heard that many gay or bi-sexual men were 'created' when a younger male's first sexual experience occurred with another, older male.

A kid I grew up with was raped by an older boy at around age 6 - 7, ever since I knew him he's been just-on-fire.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

We can debate gays and gay marriage all we want while stacking facts and statistics but I think everyone here can agree that homosexuality is only good for causing confusion and disruption in society. All members of the RVF as players, players-in-training, playboys, and masculine men deal with enough issues on a day-to-day basis whether it's women, work, or life in general. We don't need the added drama or quagmire that fags bring to an already excessively liberated society with their infectious qualities or bullshit demands such as equal rights or gay marriage. Eliminate homosexuality from the world and life would get a lot simpler.

[esperar]

We should be happy the queers are destroying marriage. Marriage is bullshit.

[Dexter Morgan]

(05-17-2013 05:33 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

A kid I grew up with was raped by an older boy at around age 6 - 7, ever since I knew him he's been just-on-fire.

Oh, c'mon. You can admit its you. We're all anonymous here.

[A CLizzy]

Personally, it baffles me how religious people truly believe that 'God' accepts same sex marriage, but to each his own.

p.s
I think I saw one of the most horrific sites of my life today .. two guys publicly kissing. I don't consider myself homophobic but that was too shocking and looked sickening.

[PoosyWrecker]

(05-17-2013 06:05 PM)Dexter Morgan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 05:33 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

A kid I grew up with was raped by an older boy at around age 6 - 7, ever since I knew him he's been just-on-fire.

Oh, c'mon. You can admit its you. We're all anonymous here.

Rape didn't happen to me, but I once did get a 'light dusting of molestation' by the father of the rapist. I think the disgust a lot people have with gays is some kind of innate understanding that guys can get 'turned', they don't want any chance of their kids, nephews, or any other children in their community 'going gay'.

[Akula]

(05-17-2013 07:41 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 06:05 PM)Dexter Morgan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 05:33 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

A kid I grew up with was raped by an older boy at around age 6 - 7, ever since I knew him he's been just-on-fire.

Oh, c'mon. You can admit its you. We're all anonymous here.

Rape didn't happen to me, but I once did get a 'light dusting of molestation' by the father of the rapist. I think the disgust a lot people have with gays is some kind of innate understanding that guys can get 'turned', they don't want any chance of their kids, nephews, or any other children in their community 'going gay'.

People can be conditioned to do almost anything - either by the government or a sick perverted homosexual child molester. If your first experience with sex is an unnatural Allen Ginsburg/NAMBLA cornering/rape you're probably pretty likely to have some serious issues for the rest of your life.

I think this is tacitly what a lot in the gay lobby supports - bi-sexuality or 'experimentation' and exposure to homosexuality at a young age with boys so that they can have more potential partners and somehow 'spread' homosexuality. It's a scary tactic but one that seems to be working currently, at least if you read our ridiculous western media and take a look at all things g@y and the ridiculous arguments for gay education and presence in everything from our children's schools to marriage.

[clever alias]

(05-17-2013 10:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I like how clever alias and sheesh ignored my strong arguments in favor of picking on guys with zero arguments. Smells like a to me.

i did respond to your "strong" arguments but if need be i will again. please forgive any spelling mistakes, my mobile is.shitting out frequently.
sam point 1) gays have more std and hiv rates than nongays
2) gays have higher drug use
3) gays have higher prostitution rates
4) apparently more gays

despite that i dont see how these are relative points, ill address them.
1) gays do have higher std rates. however, as gays fuck other gays, why should their std rates affect anyone on this forum? furthermore, allowing gay marriage would theoretically REDUCE theze rates by PROMOTING monogamy. even more so, how does a populations std rates affect a decision to allow marriage? blacks have higher std rates than whites, should they be barred from marriage? if not, what is the cut off rate? 20%, 30%? its an absurd argument in my opinion.
2) gays might use drugs more, i really dont know and i still dont see the relevance. and your reasoning is, to me, nonsensical at best. higher disposable income and no kids somehow leads to more drug use? isnt.that what half of this forum is about? by that logic we should all be cokeheads.
3) prostitution again might be higher, but promoting monogamous, closed relationships should reduce.homosexual promiscuity, and with it, std rates.
4) gays do not really create gays. fucking anybody up the ass when they're 5 years old will fuck them up, boy or girl. if youre talking about pedophilia, seperate issue and that happens to both genders.
then you said somewhere "gays aren't monogamous" but the prevailing thought here.is that straight men should not be monogamous either. then that doesnt shiw anything to me.

then kosko is talking about how gay divorce rates spousal abuse rates are far higher than hetero couples, i call bullshit because i dont see how, if gays cant get married in most places, your data pool is too small and your time period too short. and if we already call bullshit on hetero abuse rates, we can.call bullshit on gay ones too.

and nydigital is going on about . . . im not sure, spreading gay culture, i think. but im quite sure hes been adamant about his belief that the nuclear family is.the most important thing for society, then i have a few things to say
1) if the nuclear family is so important, dont be on a forum about how marriage sucks, if its not important enough for YOU to do it, dont make other people.
2) if the mom and dad dont suck at raising kids, then "gay culture" shouldnt be an issue. schools are liberal breeding grounds, but good parents promote critical thinking and independent decision making. if a married gay neighbor causes your son to start sucking cock.then you failed as a.parent.

there, agree or dont, i dont really care, but dont stoop to shaming. thats for jezebel.

[LooTa]

[sheesh]

Gay marriage doesn't affect the rest of society one bit. Ask any married couple in Spain, Portugal, Denmark, the Netherlands etc. whether they feel the qualitiy or value of their marriages has declined since gay marriage was introduced.

How stupid to think that just because gays marry it would make the institution between man and women less special with divorce rates hovering around the 50% mark, wars over child custody, infidelity and what not. If people want to make it more special, they need to grow up, work on their marriage and stop blaming the gays.

[Samseau]

(05-18-2013 06:34 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I like how clever alias and sheesh ignored my strong arguments in favor of picking on guys with zero arguments. Smells like a to me.

i did respond to your "strong" arguments but if need be i will again. please forgive any spelling mistakes, my mobile is.shitting out frequently.
sam point 1) gays have more std and hiv rates than nongays
2) gays have higher drug use
3) gays have higher prostitution rates
4) apparently more gays

despite that i dont see how these are relative points, ill address them.
1) gays do have higher std rates. however, as gays fuck other gays, why should their std rates affect anyone on this forum? furthermore, allowing gay marriage would theoretically REDUCE theze rates by PROMOTING monogamy. even more so, how does a populations std rates affect a decision to allow marriage? blacks have higher std rates than whites, should they be barred from marriage? if not, what is the cut off rate? 20%, 30%? its an absurd argument in my opinion.
2) gays might use drugs more, i really dont know and i still dont see the relevance. and your reasoning is, to me, nonsensical at best. higher disposable income and no kids somehow leads to more drug use? isnt.that what half of this forum is about? by that logic we should all be cokeheads.
3) prostitution again might be higher, but promoting monogamous, closed relationships should reduce.homosexual promiscuity, and with it, std rates.
4) gays do not really create gays. fucking anybody up the ass when they're 5 years old will fuck them up, boy or girl. if youre talking about pedophilia, seperate issue and that happens to both genders.
then you said somewhere "gays aren't monogamous" but the prevailing thought here.is that straight men should not be monogamous either. then that doesnt shiw anything to me.

1. Gays can be bisexual. It affects straight men. In fact, the only reason I can think of why women get AIDS from regular sex is because of bisexual men.

2. Again, if you don't mind people getting wasted all the time then it's not a big deal, but plenty of parents don't want that shit near their kids.

3. You think just because they legalize marriage it's going to change the nature of gays? It's male on male action. Everyone is horny all the time. Gay marriage will change NOTHING, except to make gays less socially taboo.

4. I'm not talking about pedophiles who go after children under the age of 10. I'm talking about FAGGOTS. Men who like men. Regular, healthy homo's will go after boys as soon as they start crossing the puberty line, around age 14 or so. It is the same way many normal straight men could find a 14 year old teenage girl attractive (and plenty of them are!).

Gay men regularly go after teenage boys because they are:

a. Helpless and disenfranchised due to the way our schools trash boys growing up (thanks feminism)
b. Lots of them come from broken homes with no male figure to offer advice (thanks feminism)
c. Poor and easily tempted with money (thanks... America?)
d. Fresh virgin ass that hasn't been soiled yet by 1000 other gay cocks.

[Samseau]

I am struck by the fact that, in this thread, all the defenders of gay marriage know absolutely nothing about gay culture and yet defend it blindly!

Brainwashed.

[Akula]

(05-18-2013 08:55 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

Gay marriage doesn't affect the rest of society one bit. Ask any married couple in Spain, Portugal, Denmark, the Netherlands etc. whether they feel the qualitiy or value of their marriages has declined since gay marriage was introduced.

How stupid to think that just because gays marry it would make the institution between man and women less special with divorce rates hovering around the 50% mark, wars over child custody, infidelity and what not. If people want to make it more special, they need to grow up, work on their marriage and stop blaming the gays.

Lame. Typical politically correct lame Euro response.

Sure it does. From a tax perspective at a minimum. And wayyy beyond that. WTF? they can get tax breaks and adopt children for chrissakes. I guess that's just fine and dandy with you? Nothing to see here, move along right?

The easiest thing in the world to do to say with this issue is "gee, I don't want to be mean to gays, bc my government tells me not to 24-7. Gays are great, why would I ever want to harm them??" it's not my problem, let's let everyone live as they want to, it's not my problem, let 'em do what they want and live their lives how they way."

Anyone can say that. It requires not thought whatsoever. What u are ignoring is the serious impact of the Gay Lobby on your life, and the ridiculousness of it. These d-bags are practically pro-NAMBLA (look it up), and would love nothing more than to have everyone's son and daughter be homosexual. It's not a joke, it's true. By hook or by crook. And not just the ones who actually who are gay. It puts a new new perspective on Madison's "Factions" warning and on democracy.

Oh golly gee Akula you're an extremist/racist/homophobe for saying that how could you sir???

Well, it's true. From another perspective, listen to Depeche Mode...."If for kindness you substitute blindness." Mate......open your eyes. THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. NEVER forget this. NEVER EVER. All change is not good. We are in a world of sh*t bc of the ridonkulous changes that our feckless politicians have put us in. Don't forget that. Their lame-ass gay marriage agenda is yet another example of how they could give two sh*ts about their constituents.

I know you good Germans can't really understand all this sometimes But please...what is marriage for anyway? Two gays raising kids? Really?If not, why do they need it, especially if they already have Civil Unions. And look at your country and the crazy pc rules it posits....seriously. Do u really think it's a forum for free thought there? Really???

I"m happy to argue about this, and hope I am not disrespecting you, but I get animated about PC behavior and cannot stand it. It is Fascism pure and simple. Have a good evening.

Finally, let me please remind you that the EU is NOT a democracy, and is ruled by a bunch of feckless, idiotic bureaucrats who seemingly don't know what the hell they are doing!! (like the US!! ) (somebody pls cue Nigel Farage pls!!!!)

[Akula]

(05-18-2013 03:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I am struck by the fact that, in this thread, all the defenders of gay marriage know absolutely nothing about gay culture and yet defend it blindly!

Brainwashed.

They know nothing, have not thought out the issues. All they have it "can't we all get along, gays aren't so bad, I wanna be a nice guy, Beta, etc." Pretty thin reed(s) t hang your hat on.

Scary that they are making the rules - let's face it, logic and reason might prevail on this forum, but it sure as hell isn't in the West in general. I just hope posterity notes the few of us fighting against the Huns (i.e. the "Progressives", who are anything but). God help us.

[jaakkeli]

(05-18-2013 03:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I am struck by the fact that, in this thread, all the defenders of gay marriage know absolutely nothing about gay culture

Yeah, that's a common problem for liberals, but fortunately there are tons of conservatives like you that are intimitely familiar with gay culture.

There's a gay bar next door to me. Not the kind of a glamoury straight woman friendly gay club that you may have seen on TV but a real gay meat market. They have an outside terrace and even there I see shameless gay pick up all the time. I envy that life style but alas, I was born digging tits and ass so I have to do a lot more work to get my action.

It's silly how a forum dedicated to living libertine life and avoiding the traditional marriage path has so many people gravely worried about sexual morality. You only live once, religion is bullshit and all that, fuck whoever you want to fuck.

[jaakkeli]

(05-18-2013 04:31 PM)Akula Wrote:  

They know nothing, have not thought out the issues. All they have it "can't we all get along,

Well that's the whole point. I get along with most gay guys just fine and I don't get along with guys like you. I don't want to get along with the likes of you so if you get pissed off about gay marriage, then I'm all for gay marriage.

There aren't any "issues" to think about, gay marriage won't affect me or anyone that I care about in any way. It's just culture war stuff and I'm all for anything that upsets social conservatives. I don't need any other reason to support gay marriage than the pleasure of laughing and gloating when it finally passes.

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I just hope posterity notes

We'll be dead so who the fuck cares.

[Therapsid]

(05-18-2013 06:00 PM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 03:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I am struck by the fact that, in this thread, all the defenders of gay marriage know absolutely nothing about gay culture

It's silly how a forum dedicated to living libertine life and avoiding the traditional marriage path has so many people gravely worried about sexual morality. You only live once, religion is bullshit and all that, fuck whoever you want to fuck.

Because gay men further tip the scales in the debasement of Western women.

Gay men endlessly flatter and inflate the egos of women. There's a reason why women are relentlessly fascinating by homosexual men and watch gay TV shows and movies.

Women with many gay friends and acquaintances typically have inflated conceptions of themselves and are more likely to disapprove traditional gender roles.

Single men have no earthly reason to support gay rights. Do lesbians serve the same supporting role for straight men as gay men do for women? Absolutely not. Gay liberation favors the female gender one-sidedly.

[jaakkeli]

(05-18-2013 06:32 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Because gay men further tip the scales in the debasement of Western women.

Hooray for gay men then. I like nothing more than debased women.

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Gay men endlessly flatter and inflate the egos of women. There's a reason why women are relentlessly fascinating by homosexual men and watch gay TV shows and movies.

I really don't follow the logic. I don't see why women would watch gay TV shows because gay men flatter them and I don't see how gay marriage is going to influence gay men flattering women or women watching gay men on TV. I really don't see why I would care whether women watch gay men on TV - it's not like typical female tastes would fit mine any better even if you got gay men banned from TV.

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Women with many gay friends and acquaintances typically have inflated conceptions of themselves and are more likely to disapprove traditional gender roles.

What the fuck do I care about traditional gender roles? The traditional Christian role for a man is a faithful provider stuck with one woman for life. Fuck that, fuck traditional gender roles, fuck Jesus and fuck every conservative weasel trying to fix the rules to force us all into that bullshit. I'll rather live life in my own style and homosexuals are pretty natural political allies against those trying to enforce traditional roles by law.

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Single men have no earthly reason to support gay rights.

We do, of course: keeping a strong social liberal coalition together is pretty good for single men. Well at least for single men who want to remain single for as long as possible.

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Do lesbians serve the same supporting role for straight men as gay men do for women? Absolutely not. Gay liberation favors the female gender one-sidedly.

Aww, boo hoo, you are lacking support. What the fuck? Seriouslly, what the actual fuck? You are upset about women getting support from gay men and you think that makes a "logical" argument on gay marriage?

[Akula]

(05-18-2013 06:00 PM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 03:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I am struck by the fact that, in this thread, all the defenders of gay marriage know absolutely nothing about gay culture

Yeah, that's a common problem for liberals, but fortunately there are tons of conservatives like you that are intimitely familiar with gay culture.

There's a gay bar next door to me. Not the kind of a glamoury straight woman friendly gay club that you may have seen on TV but a real gay meat market. They have an outside terrace and even there I see shameless gay pick up all the time. I envy that life style but alas, I was born digging tits and ass so I have to do a lot more work to get my action.

It's silly how a forum dedicated to living libertine life and avoiding the traditional marriage path has so many people gravely worried about sexual morality. You only live once, religion is bullshit and all that, fuck whoever you want to fuck.

Well, it's silly that someone like you who apparently doesn't like marriage and thinks it's crazy would then go on and support it for gays. Goes both ways. You're not being logical and following reason if you're saying you don't like hetero marriage but somehow gay marriage is ok. It's not the other way around.

Frankly I"m pretty much against all marriage, gay marriage included.

But I'm ok with traditional marriage I guess to help in raising children since, you know, children happen sometimes when people bang. I think there's an argument for the state supporting that tacitly and with some tax breaks, and to help women and me raise kids together. But anything else, including gay marriage, is silly, and I am against giving tax breaks, legal protections, social acceptance etc. to people just so they can feel good and 'its the right thing to do'. No, the 'right thing to do is to look at traditional marriage and divorce laws (which are incredibly skewed against men) and fix those, figure out if we really need the government involved in the marriage business these days, and maybe think about how the state can protect children better. These gay lobby idiots already have civil unions anyway so it sucks we have to deal with more PC crap like gay marriage and waste one minute, let alone have national debates on it and waste political time. How you can turn yourself into the 'rebel', who just wants gay marriage to pass so that you can 'laugh at conservatives' is beyond me. It's not like we're preserving the status quo dude, we've got a mass movement by the state and media to change the laws for a silly little idea that has taken up waaay too much of everyone's time IMO.