[Nascimento]

Now generally I don't 'go' for numbers during night game. I am there to try and pull and bang that same night. However, when I feel I get somewhere in an interaction (strong attraction, at least a kiss, isolation from friends) and I am not able to keep the interaction going (usually due to the presence of friends) I go for the number.

Last night my first number the girl told me to take her number after a brief and very exciting/sexual tension filled dance. Took her number, told her to give me a kiss, and sent her back to her friends.

Second number was a brief interaction away from the dance floor where I stopped her and her friend. They liked me right away and her friend went to get a drink and left her with me, who stayed willingly. She was very receptive to me, although she was shy to kiss. Eventually kissed her after a 5 minute talk, she said she had to go because it was her friends birthday she was celebrating, exchanged numbers, told me to text her.

Third was a brief dance, then isolated her on the patio. Very receptive to my touching and sexual intentions in that she didn't back off. She mentioned how she thinks her tits are too small, I told her to shut up, she says she likes her ass better, I grab it and keep my hand in between and around her cheeks over her thin dress, didn't back off. Took her number when she said she was leaving, kiss.

Texted all 3 at the end of the night 'Fun to meet you, xyz funny comment -Nascimento'

The third one responded right away and we had a very interesting conversation I wrote about here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24128-...#pid459820

Other two had replies in the morning.

I text all 3 about 11 am this Sunday morning about how it's my day off and I can hangout for a bit later.

Only one responded, its a no but she still seems receptive and continued the conversation. Other two are nothing for now.

I guess this whole post is just me putting my thoughts down. But it leads me to think, should I even consider numbers at all? It's such a torment because I rarely grab numbers anyways, only if the interaction was very strong. Most times I make out with girls anyways I don't even take their number, only if I feel I have a chance of seeing them again.

Makes me wonder what soup said, how this is the opposite of emotional investment: If I take several numbers over a weekend, leading to a handful a month, plus whatever other numbers I get from daygame or other areas, at certain points I will have so much girls numbers on my phone that it is just routine and I lose the ability to invest in a particular girl.

Then there is another perspective. One of my buddies I go out with at times on weekends is one of the best players I know. 40+ bangs at 22, although I know there are guys here who put that to shame. Still, this is someone I know and hang around personally that is pulling anywhere from a couple to several girls a month. He tells me to never take numbers; but instead to give them away. If a girl seems genuinely attracted/interested, offer my number instead.

I have tried that maybe 5-10 times, and maybe been texted back once, if at all.

What do you guys think?

[Therapsid]

I'd say that you moved too fast to make plans. You say: "I text all 3 about 11 am this Sunday morning about how it's my day off and I can hangout for a bit later" You don't want to get stuck texting these girls all day but you should drop the invite after you guys have exchanged several texts back and forth over a short time period.

Girls hate feeling awkward, which means that sometimes they'll fail to respond to texts just to avoid discomfort. These chicks were somewhat interested but you put them on the spot. They don't want to say no flat out, but nor do they want to commit to seeing you today. I bet if you just sent them a low-investment text mentioning something about your day they would have replied and then a couple messages later if you invited them out, they would have offered when they were available.

[Nascimento]

(06-02-2013 01:22 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

I'd say that you moved too fast to make plans. You say: "I text all 3 about 11 am this Sunday morning about how it's my day off and I can hangout for a bit later" You don't want to get stuck texting these girls all day but you should drop the invite after you guys have exchanged several texts back and forth over a short time period.

Girls hate feeling awkward, which means that sometimes they'll fail to respond to texts just to avoid discomfort. These chicks were somewhat interested but you put them on the spot. They don't want to say no flat out, but nor do they want to commit to seeing you today. I bet if you just sent them a low-investment text mentioning something about your day they would have replied and then a couple messages later if you invited them out, they would have offered when they were available.

Point taken.

It sucks because it seemed like I had some good leads for the week. Now I might have to wait until the weekend.

And its funny because previously (maybe a month or two ago) I was at the point of texting girls slightly too much before planning hang outs, diffusing some tension and maybe causing them to flake because of it.

Now it's the opposite. I guess I need to strike a fine balance.

I will be having sundays off usually and I go out friday/saturday. Next time I get numbers I'll text them the same night so they have my number, and exchange a couple texts the following day, and then drop a meet up suggestion.

Furthermore, any ideas on how I might be able to work something out with these numbers? Maybe text them something funny/witty tomorrow, and if they respond receptively ask them if they want to hangout some evening this week? Feels like it would be less pressure on them.

[Nomad77]

One of the big reasons girls flake is that they allow themselves to just get caught up in the moment. There are getting some attention and they like it. A little makeout in their eyes doesn't mean much. They are being "entertained" Now when they go home and the party mood wears off then reality kicks in. They may have a boyfriend, married, don't want a relationship, whatever. The point is, girls go out to have fun and WE are part of that fun. After the night is over the fun is over in their eyes. For them to want to see you again, means they either want to continue the fun or view you as having some benefit beyond fun. Most of them just think of it as oh its just some guy I had some fun with last night and now I am back to my normal life and he's not part of it.

[Nascimento]

(06-02-2013 03:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

One of the big reasons girls flake is that they allow themselves to just get caught up in the moment. There are getting some attention and they like it. A little makeout in their eyes doesn't mean much. They are being "entertained" Now when they go home and the party mood wears off then reality kicks in. They may have a boyfriend, married, don't want a relationship, whatever. The point is, girls go out to have fun and WE are part of that fun. After the night is over the fun is over in their eyes. For them to want to see you again, means they either want to continue the fun or view you as having some benefit beyond fun. Most of them just think of it as oh its just some guy I had some fun with last night and now I am back to my normal life and he's not part of it.

This resonates so much, I didn't view it that way at all.

What is the solution to this?

Either stop taking numbers on nights out (particularly in environments that are very party like, such as club), or just do something along the lines of Samseau's no number challenge (where you only take a number after having extracted a girl to a sex location and not closing at that moment).

[Nomad77]

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