[Ensam]

I've been approaching a lot lately. There's always been some question in my mind whether it's better to text or call so I decided to alternate. Every other number I got I either texted or called.

The data set: 20 numbers over the last month. I texted and called 10 numbers respectively.

The results:
Texts - 2 returned texts. No dates.
Calls - 2 fake numbers, 3 returned calls, 3 dates.

Ages/rank on the returned calls and dates: 22/8, 27/6 and 30/9.

The 27 year old returned my call with a text within an hour. I then setup the date via text. The 22 year old returned my call with a text the next morning and we setup the date via text. The 30 yd returned my call with a call within an hour and we setup the date on the phone.

Verdict: Call. The biggest advantage to calling is you know right away if you've got a fake number. If a girl gives a fake number I can replay that approach in my head and see if I missed a cue from her that would have told me the timing or vibe wasn't right to go for the number. Second advantage is you can read her emotions on the phone. The 30yd 9 is the hottest girl I've approached since reading Bang (she could pass for 22), she took a little warming up on the phone and I was able to time asking her out perfectly. Finally the girls who were into me but didn't want to talk on the phone texted back. Nobody seemed put off by the phone call.

For phone game I do have a few things working for me: I have a deep and steady voice. Girls have told me it's sexy and calming. I'm also fast on my feet. I can joke around with a girl on the phone and give her slight negs in a way that just doesn't work for me over text. I asked the 9 out using a callback neg to the one I opened her with the night I approached her.

It was a small sample size and your results may vary. I'd be interested to hear if anybody else has tracked similar numbers and what their results were.

[ryanf]

I've been texting exclusively since I started the game. I have had an extremely high flake rate, especially lately. I've decided to switch over to calling. This weekend will be my first run.

[TheBulldozer]

I was thinking of a thread on this, but you beat me to it. It was more to vent about the frustration of younger women. I call, and I've always been a caller. Call me old school, but when you like a girl, you pick up the phone and call her.

In April, I collected 9 numbers using mostly day game. All of these women were met in real life and I called all 9 of them. Guess how many dates I got? 1.

5 of them never bothered to return a call, or text. 1 of them was just looking for attention.

I couldn't fucking believe it. My game is pretty strong, and puts most men to shame in the day. Previous girls have told me that it was the first time in months that a guy walked up to them and walked away with their number from a regular, day to day interaction.

This time around, one girl had the audacity to text me and say that calling was 'creepy'. I couldn't even bother to waste the energy in my thumbs to respond to that.

A couple of things:

(1) Is the phone dying?

(2) How long until a major carrier offers a 'data only' contract? (I know if I were a CEO of a phone carrier, I'd introduce a data only contract and market aggressively on college campuses.)

[NewGamer]

Good thread.I've never been a caller and I'm moving towards that as well.I got a solid number this past weekend and decided to call. She didn't pick up and I left her a message.She hasn't got back to me. For the girls you called, that never got back..did you make repeat calls or switched over to text or wrote them off?

[Days of Broken Arrows]

You can draw a woman into your (metaphorical) lair with just your voice. You can get her mind wrapped around yours and her vagina sopping wet if you call at just the right time (10:30 p.m.) and know just the right thing to say. I'd even call this a form of brainwashing. For many years this was my game and one of the best return lines a woman ever said to me in the middle of one of these late night convos is "OK, I want to come over RIGHT NOW -- I feel like you've fucked my mind already."

Maybe some of you can work this magic with texts. I can't. In fact, I don't text at all now. Every time I did it was disastrous.

When we meet new women we're strangers. We need to get them familiar with us, and we need to do it before we're out with them because strangers = bitch shields. Telling jokes, making subconscious sexual references and building rapport are ways to break down resistance beforehand. I can't tell you how many women have said at the end of a first phone convo "Well, you seem pretty cool. I thought you were weird when you walked up to me out of nowhere in XXXX, but I'm glad you did."

The text creates a situation where the above can't happen. Technology allows them to hit "delete" and denies you the power of persuasion -- the power of seduction, in other words.

I think in the end, texting will spell the end of PUA culture if it gets any more popular. It makes men into MP3s on a playlist -- women can just click over to the next "item." With the phone, on the other hand, men can be like a good vinyl record that gets under their skin but they don't quite know why or how.

[iknowexactly]

(05-02-2013 10:16 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

Call me old school, .....puts most men to shame in the day.

Hate to bring this up, but how old are you, and the girls you tried with? I didn't realize I was aging out of certain groups until I became invisible to them.

If you're YoungTallCool, you're rarely "creepy." R. Done Steele in "How to Date Young Women Under 35"; which was written before texting was common, recommended not leaving a message 1st call, then leaving a message on the 2nd call and writing her off if she didn't call back.

Leaving a message is really putting her in the driver's seat, but your number usually registers anyway so it may not help to NOT leave a message?
I'd say if she knows who you are calls back however, that's putting herself out for a young chick these days and good chance of DTF.

It may be a combination of new standards and you aging.

Respect anyway for trying, at least you're getting new data.

[GenJx]

ensam, did these girls have your number in their phone already?

[EisenBarde]

The big downside to calling is that most of the time I don't get a callback or even a pickup.

But when she DOES answer the phone it's almost always upside.

[iknowexactly]

(05-02-2013 10:43 PM)GenJx Wrote:  

ensam, did these girls have your number in their phone already?

GenJX--Yeah, good idea-- call them at the time you get their number "to make sure it worked"

Then when she gets the call with you standing there, see first if she starts to add it to her contacts ( good sign). If NOT, say

"Might as well put my name in too.
I've had them start adding me to contacts right away when they receive the "test call".

Screen for fake numbers like that and more chance her drunk ass will remember you.

More time to assess body language and compliance, and totally next her if it was a fake. Wasting brain cycles on flakes is bad.

[guerrilla]

What message do you leave when you get the voicemail for the first call?

[Ensam]

DoBA - I'd love it if you broke down your phone game.

I only reached out to two of these girls a second time. The first was the first girl in the study. I texted first and got no response. I called a week later, she picked up, we chatted for a minute and then said she had to go and would call me back. She didn't. The second was a girl I called. She had told me about an event I'm really interested in going to regardless of whether or not she comes along. I called the second time just to try and get the right info. She didn't pick up or call back either time.

To be honest the more women I approach the lest inclined I am to give the ones who didn't respond to my initial contact a second chance. There are enough attractive women who respond positively that the ones who don't are just a waste of time. I'm so fast to forget girls now that I've started putting a reminder in my phone to call them on a specific day. Otherwise I'll totally forget because there's a new girl I just met that morning who's occupying my mind. My schedule is also now busy enough that I only have one to two date nights a week. With the response rate I'm getting those are easily filled with girls who get back to me right away. This is the abundance mentality gentlemen. I suggest you embrace it.

[Ensam]

GenJX - I don't generally do that. My reasoning is mostly psychological. If she's into me she'll be waiting for my call. I don't want her to get a rush of relief seeing my name pop up on the screen. She doesn't get that until she hears my voice. If she's not into me or gave me a fake then calling her to give her my number doesn't accomplish anything.

Guerrilla - The message I leave is usually:
Hey, it's E from Saturday. Give me a call back, My number is xxx-xxx-xxxx. Have a goodnight <click>

Short and sweet. I do follow standard phone call advice. I make sure I'm standing up and in a good mood. If I'm nervous or anxious I wont call until it's passed. I speak from my diaphragm in a firm and commanding voice. Look up some stuff on command presence and follow it when you make the call. I'm a big believer that people can 'feel' your body language over the phone.

[Pacific]

I would very much like to hear more about your phone techniques.

(05-02-2013 10:32 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

You can draw a woman into your (metaphorical) lair with just your voice. You can get her mind wrapped around yours and her vagina sopping wet if you call at just the right time (10:30 p.m.) and know just the right thing to say. I'd even call this a form of brainwashing. For many years this was my game and one of the best return lines a woman ever said to me in the middle of one of these late night convos is "OK, I want to come over RIGHT NOW -- I feel like you've fucked my mind already."

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(05-02-2013 11:04 PM)Pacific Wrote:  

I would very much like to hear more about your phone techniques.

(05-02-2013 10:32 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

You can draw a woman into your (metaphorical) lair with just your voice. You can get her mind wrapped around yours and her vagina sopping wet if you call at just the right time (10:30 p.m.) and know just the right thing to say. I'd even call this a form of brainwashing. For many years this was my game and one of the best return lines a woman ever said to me in the middle of one of these late night convos is "OK, I want to come over RIGHT NOW -- I feel like you've fucked my mind already."

I've written about this over at Roissy's. I remember Hope responding to it, telling me her husband won her over during phone calls. UPDATE! I found that post. Here is what I wrote circa April 2008. Just one modification: by "endless hours" I meant about two long calls in two nights. Text is below and a direct link is here: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/04/0...ment-13403

Days of Broken Arrows:

This post struck me as so un-Roissy I thought it was a belated April Fool’s joke. Rather than address it, I wanna give my impressions of checking out some profiles of Active White Women on Match.com.

These profiles list things they like to do as hiking, snorkeling, skydiving, bike riding. Who the fuck likes to do this shit after about age 33? My thoughts were “Yeah, right. I’m gonna risk broken ankles to get sex. Instead I’ll get on Yahoo Messenger, meet a hottie who needs attention, spend no money, get laid.” What the hell is up with white women that they need to be taken fucking roller skating like middle schoolers?

I recommend the latter. It’s cheaper and safer. And by the way, the way to get a woman hooked on you is not minature golf and skiing. It’s endless hours of intense, late-nite phone (emotional, not sexual) talk, then refusing to see her.

on April 3, 2008 at 1:56 am

Hope:

"It’s endless hours of intense, late-nite phone (emotional, not sexual) talk, then refusing to see her."

Wow, that’s frighteningly insightful. Exactly what my husband did when I first met him. He had me totally addicted to talking to him, online and on the phone, then refused to see me because I was too young (well, I mean, he was afraid of getting the feds on his ass). He had the most amazing voice through the phone. I still get all mushy thinking about it.

[Jaylow]

One of the best things about calling is that she doesn't have any proof to show her friends.

The worst thing about calling is you can fuck it up and lose her.

Texting is good because with basic text game you risk a lot less and its harder to fuck up.

Texting is bad because its a lot harder to build additional attraction.

[eradicator]

I generally just text them right away so they will have my number in their phone and it will stay there until she actually deletes it. then call or text later. if you wait more than a day or so she may not even remember who you are or connect your name and face to your text.

Then call or text later. I try to keep the texts very basic, just to set up the logistics of meeting up. Same thing with calling, but after setting up a time to meet, try to have some good conversation.