[iknowexactly]

Here in NorCall, opened a 7 about 33, a fast food manager yesterday ( no kidding, very slim and blond in a small town, wonders never cease) and a 6, about 27 grad student ( I think) today.

I'm over 50 so they all know I'm older, and definitely not YoungTallCool.

With both my sense was there was a lack of pupil dilation, poor body language shift towards me.

This is of course going to be the average response, only some girls want Daddy figures.

But I'm wondering how many times have guys seen shifts in demeanor after a while. The best cases I've seen are immediate pupil dilation, but maybe that's reserved for the young and now I have to WORK.

I just hate wasting time.

[Doulos2Game]

Unless one of the sentence is;

"I want you to fuck me."

Then NO.

To determine if a girl is "DTF" it takes a whole lot more than that.

[Virtus]

As a 50 year old what do you have to offer that is so appealing over any man these women would consider usually? They get offered dick every time they meet any man over the age of 24.. I mean. I remeber you play guitar and stuff. But winter/spring game .. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/05/2...s-of-game/ http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/08/2...-indirect/

[WestIndianArchie]

Apocalypse opener (google the phrase in quotes, you'll see lots of folks who've used it and explain it better than me).

This is far more ballsy than "put your # in my phone"

You - Hey
Her - Hey
You - any plans tonight?
Her - not sure, I dunno, *chick speak*
You - you wanna come home with me tonight?

You can RVF it a bit and say

"Come home with me tonight" - basically assuming the close, assuming acquiescence..

It's direct, so your outer game has to be pimp tight.
It's direct, so your inner game has to be Zen Buddha level.
It's quick, so your logistics have to be Wal-Mart supply chain level.

Chicks that could have used 90 minutes of romance before turning the corner will get blown out. But DTF bitches will be discovered.

Most players don't have the balls to EVEN TRY this game. Especially not stone cold sober. I've heard the response rate is 1 in 20, I haven't heard about the quality of that 1 out of those 20.

WIA

[Jaylow]

(04-23-2013 01:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

"Come home with me tonight" - basically assuming the close, assuming acquiescence..

Still don't understand doing this other than putting yourself in an extreme situation to lose some fear for an easier situation. If you actually wanted to get laid doing this wouldn't your success rate go way up if you spent 1-2 minutes talking to her and rephrased it to something less harsh like "come watch a movie/have drinks at my place tonight" instead of pretty much calling her a slut in 20 seconds.

[Giovonny]

oops i will post my thoughts later.

gotta go get a haircut

[WestIndianArchie]

(04-23-2013 01:35 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

Still don't understand doing this other than putting yourself in an extreme situation to lose some fear for an easier situation.

What part of 2-3 sentences do you not understand?

WIA

[Jaylow]

(04-23-2013 01:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

What part of 2-3 sentences do you not understand?

I took it as saying something to her right away to get a read if she wants you then putting in a little more work afterwards.

[WestCoast]

Sound like the return to the USA has been harsh, you shouldn't give two shits.

You see a cute girl you either approach or you don't that's it. If you want to "stop wasting your time" just go direct then. If you go direct you know from hello what the deal is.

[Ryre]

Ok, I can't vouch for this from personal experience. But Gunwitch, talking specifically about night/club game, suggests using 2 or 3 key questions to sort out her intentions.

The first question (believe it or not), is "Do you come here often?" But he's not using it as an opener, but rather during the conversation, with evil intent.
--if she answers with something witty, she's trying to build rapport with you.
--If she answers "No, I never get out anymore since I (got married/moved to the suburbs/whatever)" she is DTF that night.
--If she answers "Yeah, I come here all the time," she is a club girl; screen for attraction, if she isn't obviously into you, move on.
--If she answers "No, I've never done this/come here before," you have a shot.

The second question is "Are you from around here, where are your friends?" (Gunwitch assumes you open her when she is alone.)
--If she is in from out of town, she's looking for a fling.
--If she is with friends, you know to keep her away from them.
--If she says "I don' t know where my friends went," good chance she's DTF.

Again, can't say I've used this myself, but for what it is worth....

[Ensam]

It's really not a verbal thing. Approach enough women and you'll eventually get a sense for when a chick is DTF. If you think you've found one for the love of god don't get her number. Go for the SNL. Chances are by the time you call and setup a date the moment will have passed.

Numbers are for girls who are not DTF but could be at a later date.

[iknowexactly]

(04-23-2013 01:15 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

As a 50 year old what do you have to offer that is so appealing over any man these women would consider usually? They get offered dick every time they meet any man over the age of 24.. I mean. I remeber you play guitar and stuff. But winter/spring game .. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/05/2...s-of-game/ http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/08/2...-indirect/

Good question-- what do I offer? --I'm a beeg genius.

Seriously, I've been in starbucks all day working on mixes of songs on laptop, there's been at least 30 women in and out of here, and I don't think I've see one cold approach except one brief one by me. That's what I have to offer-- I'm willing to approach-- beside brains, good looks, three college degrees ( I know, I know, it's worthless and smartypants guys don't need all that silly knowledge) and decades of adult experience in how the world work.

1) Me talking to a 6
2) Friend who looks like a huge walrus opening clerk who looks like.. you guessed it.. female walrus... the type of relatively serious girl I like rarely drinks and almost never goes to nightclubs. Guys are not hitting on 7-8-9 chicks in this NorCal college down in day game. Of course most of the 8+ chicks are so snobby looking only a golden frat boy will have the balls.

Unless you are in an area where dudes are real macho or clubs, I see the myth of constant approaches as just that. 99.7 of guys rarely approach and wait for social circle to magically materialize.

[iknowexactly]

(04-23-2013 02:34 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Sound like the return to the USA has been harsh, you shouldn't give two shits.

You see a cute girl you either approach or you don't that's it. If you want to "stop wasting your time" just go direct then. If you go direct you know from hello what the deal is.

Actually, I'm glad to be where things are more of an obvious power struggle than the furtive, resentful low-level malice of Ukraine.

Im surprised some Asian 6-7 chicks are fairly blatant flirting with me. I'm blond. White chicks seem more standoffish when not YoungTallCool.

[soup]

You can say whatever in he two or three sentances.. it's all about the body language..

Does she cross her legs towards you?

Can you feel heat emanating from her crotch?

Is she playfully hitting you?

Does she look itchy?

How does she react when you stick a finger in her ass?

When you take her hand and rub it on your rock-hard dick, does she start do the movement on her own?

What color panties is she wearing?


There's a whole thread about Identifying sluts on here..

[WestCoast]

In that case if just looking to screen. Just look for pupil dialation. That's usually the easiest.

[space]

If you wanna screen for DTF, first screen for compliance. That's the biggest indicator of whether she'll fuck you.

3 things I've added to my game to screen chicks:

1) Grab her hand and move her to a different part of the club. Is she compliant? She's as good as gold.

2) Casually grab her drink and sip it, with a cheeky smile on your face. Does she act horrified? She won't fuck you.

3) Lean in for the kiss as soon as possible. Most chicks will turn, giving you nothing but cheek. But the girl that WON'T fuck you because she's a prude or she hates your guts will visibly recoil

[soup]

(04-23-2013 03:56 PM)space Wrote:  

If you wanna screen for DTF, first screen for compliance. That's the biggest indicator of whether she'll fuck you.

3 things I've added to my game to screen chicks:

1) Grab her hand and move her to a different part of the club. Is she compliant? She's as good as gold.

2) Casually grab her drink and sip it, with a cheeky smile on your face. Does she act horrified? She won't fuck you.

3) Lean in for the kiss as soon as possible. Most chicks will turn, giving you nothing but cheek. But the girl that WON'T fuck you because she's a prude or she hates your guts will visibly recoil

This is good, but it doesn't mean she's 110% DTF.

[RandalGraves]

(04-23-2013 03:57 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 03:56 PM)space Wrote:  

If you wanna screen for DTF, first screen for compliance. That's the biggest indicator of whether she'll fuck you.

3 things I've added to my game to screen chicks:

1) Grab her hand and move her to a different part of the club. Is she compliant? She's as good as gold.

2) Casually grab her drink and sip it, with a cheeky smile on your face. Does she act horrified? She won't fuck you.

3) Lean in for the kiss as soon as possible. Most chicks will turn, giving you nothing but cheek. But the girl that WON'T fuck you because she's a prude or she hates your guts will visibly recoil

This is good, but it doesn't mean she's 110% DTF.

Yeah, that's just standard procedure in the club.

How to really push the boundaries: while dancing with her, face to face, start rubbing her pussy with your fingers. That always filters 'em.

[Estrat]

There is a porn site called MILF Hunter that appears to do what you all are talking about.

I am assuming there is a low conversion rate as WIA stated. Of the pictures (through easypic) I have seen they all seem to have the same slutty vibe.

[Virtus]

youre an "older" musician . should not be in starbucks. should be in a punk/ rock n roll bar club place where your value is higher n young cats want to learn music n of music. they will bring orbiting pussy

[GenJx]

(04-25-2013 03:12 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

youre an "older" musician . should not be in starbucks. should be in a punk/ rock n roll bar club place where your value is higher n young cats want to learn music n of music. they will bring orbiting pussy

find your niche bitch!

[Parlay44]

Look for blushing in her face when you're talking to her.
Blushing is the female hard-on

[Stun]

(04-23-2013 12:29 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Here in NorCall, opened a 7 about 33, a fast food manager yesterday ( no kidding, very slim and blond in a small town, wonders never cease) and a 6, about 27 grad student ( I think) today.

I'm over 50 so they all know I'm older, and definitely not YoungTallCool.

With both my sense was there was a lack of pupil dilation, poor body language shift towards me.

This is of course going to be the average response, only some girls want Daddy figures.

But I'm wondering how many times have guys seen shifts in demeanor after a while. The best cases I've seen are immediate pupil dilation, but maybe that's reserved for the young and now I have to WORK.

I just hate wasting time.

What Randal said to an extent. You screen DTF quickly by physically escalating.

I wouldn't go right for the crotch, but you kino escalate and then see if you get a green yellow or red light(s).

[Giovonny]

Can You Screen for DTF in 2-3 sentences?

Yes. You can do it in 3 words..

"Hey, wanna fuck"

But, this is not exactly what you mean. I'm taking to title of your post too literal.

What you are asking is...

(04-23-2013 12:29 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

..how many times have guys seen shifts in demeanor after a while.

Shifts in demeanor? It happens...

A girl may start off as neutral or unsure about you but then after a few minutes of conversation, she starts to warm up to you. Her body language can start off as cold but then turn warm. Game is required. If you can connect with her and make her laugh or spark her passions, you can change her perspective of you.

Sometimes, girls might think you are ugly but after talking to you, they like your personality and vibe and their perception of you changes.

A girl may not be open to meeting a stranger but one joke or one witty comment can change everything. One look into her eyes can change everything.

Shifts in demeanor..? Yes, it possible.

But, it usually better if the girl is into you from the start.

With these 2 girls that you describe, I wouldn't go for it all in one shot. I might "slow play" them.

I don't know anything about pupil dilation? Maybe I need to start paying attention to that stuff..